On May 10 2012 20:40 Vuk_91 wrote: I don`t understand,who is going to play those SC2 sets? Bw players like calm,fantasy,jaedong etc or some old SC2 players?
BW players. But each one will have to play alternating BW-SC2-BW-SC2 as he gets picked throughout the season. So the worth of a player is equal to 50% BW skill + 50% SC2 skill, which may cause drastic changes in the team rosters. A-teamers may be demoted and B-teamers promoted.
On May 10 2012 20:40 Vuk_91 wrote: I don`t understand,who is going to play those SC2 sets? Bw players like calm,fantasy,jaedong etc or some old SC2 players?
I think the same players will play both games in the match. So, if Fantasy goes out second for the BW set, he will have to go out second in the SC2 set, but anyone can come out for the ace match if it gets that far.
Is that correct or did I misunderstand?
Or is it just three players (not necessarily all the same or all different) for each set of games, then in order to qualify for playing you must have played the opposite game in your previous match?
It's the latter. Each player can get picked only once in a match (before ace) - either for BW Bo3 or for SC2 Bo3; then next match they decide to pick him, it has to be for the other kind of Bo3.
On May 10 2012 20:40 Vuk_91 wrote: I don`t understand,who is going to play those SC2 sets? Bw players like calm,fantasy,jaedong etc or some old SC2 players?
I think the same players will play both games in the match. So, if Fantasy goes out second for the BW set, he will have to go out second in the SC2 set, but anyone can come out for the ace match if it gets that far.
Is that correct or did I misunderstand?
Exactly the opposite. If Fantasy plays BW set2 he will only be able to play again that day in the ace match. In his team's next game, he will need to play SC2 regardless of an Ace match appearence in day one.
Players will need to be scheduled to play both games in a rotating fashion, with ace match not making a SC2 appearence. The player will still have an appearence in BW or SC2 if he is set to play but the game isn't needed. ie CJ wins vs KT 2-0 and Hydra is the third player scheduled to play. He gets a BW appearence even tho he didn't ended up playing.
On May 10 2012 20:33 Detwiler wrote: So much hate from the BW crowd I love BW been watching for years but the fans around here.... Its really sad. Its like if you had a house and when its time to move out instead of clean it up and leaving in peace.. you burn the house down. Thats all I hear from 90% of the BW crowd. Burn the fucking house down. Screw the esports scene screw all the the teams and all the players. No ones allowed to play sc2, no one is allowed to continue their career in sc2. Its either BW or the whole scene has to shut down and everyone has to quit. Like a bunch of children that will break a toy before let other kids play with it.
Welcome to the real life i guess. Its not really that different in any other competition be it video or real one or whatever. I know its hard to imagine some people here actually opening this site to sit in a tiny corner in BW forums and discuss things there and its unimaginable for many people, same way as its unimaginable for me to do many things yet i somehow muster my imagination and my brain cells to understand and if i cant i at least tolerate it, the free will.
To end it i do not understand why would someone unrelated to Brood War come here and lecture how people should act. You are not expected to come to unrelated to you person's funeral. Because there is no reason, unless there is something you could gain from it. And yes many SC2 people come here to gain the inheritance. Now how sad it is? Analogy is half-assed but imho serves the purpose, there are many things to gain from "BW death" for SC2 scene and for 1 BW elitits there are 100 SC2 people who turnish the last bits with their posting on this site. Respect the feelings of people no matter how wrong they are to your 3rd party perspective which in fact is in advantageous position.
On May 10 2012 20:33 Detwiler wrote: So much hate from the BW crowd I love BW been watching for years but the fans around here.... Its really sad. Its like if you had a house and when its time to move out instead of clean it up and leaving in peace.. you burn the house down. Thats all I hear from 90% of the BW crowd. Burn the fucking house down. Screw the esports scene screw all the the teams and all the players. No ones allowed to play sc2, no one is allowed to continue their career in sc2. Its either BW or the whole scene has to shut down and everyone has to quit. Like a bunch of children that will break a toy before let other kids play with it.
So in other words, sc2 is a terrible landlord that evicts people from their homes?
On May 10 2012 21:13 ImbaTosS wrote: That's me out of Korean SC. I don't want to watch this sub-standard, fumblefest, Frankenstein's monster of a league.
On May 10 2012 20:33 Detwiler wrote: So much hate from the BW crowd I love BW been watching for years but the fans around here.... Its really sad. Its like if you had a house and when its time to move out instead of clean it up and leaving in peace.. you burn the house down. Thats all I hear from 90% of the BW crowd. Burn the fucking house down. Screw the esports scene screw all the the teams and all the players. No ones allowed to play sc2, no one is allowed to continue their career in sc2. Its either BW or the whole scene has to shut down and everyone has to quit. Like a bunch of children that will break a toy before let other kids play with it.
Welcome to the real life i guess. Its not really that different in any other competition be it video or real one or whatever. I know its hard to imagine some people here actually opening this site to sit in a tiny corner in BW forums and discuss things there and its unimaginable for many people, same way as its unimaginable for me to do many things yet i somehow muster my imagination and my brain cells to understand and if i cant i at least tolerate it, the free will.
To end it i do not understand why would someone unrelated to Brood War come here and lecture how people should act. You are not expected to come to unrelated to you person's funeral. Because there is no reason, unless there is something you could gain from it. And yes many SC2 people come here to gain the inheritance. Now how sad it is? Analogy is half-assed but imho serves the purpose, there are many things to gain from "BW death" for SC2 scene and for 1 BW elitits there are 100 SC2 people who turnish the last bits with their posting on this site. Respect the feelings of people no matter how wrong they are to your 3rd party perspective which in fact is in advantageous position.
Note: Im not solely BW fan.
Guess you didnt read the part were i said i have watch BW for years. Im 26 I begged for weeks to my parents and got starcraft on release day. I took jobs around town to make enough money to buy BW myself. I love the game. But im not gonna try and tear down kespa or any league. I dont say sc2 isnt a legit game. I dont want the whole esports scene to just shut down just because i dont get to see what i wanna see. I happen to like sc2 as well. I like bw better so maybe thats why i dont understand the pure hatred around here. I mean I dont get fighting games. Dont like the casting dont find it entertaining. But im not out posting on how fighting games are bullshit. That they take no skill and there shouldnt be tourneys for them and we should get people to boycott it. People dont like it thats fine to each his own dont get involved but do you really need to go out of your way and actively try and undermine it?
On May 10 2012 20:33 Detwiler wrote: So much hate from the BW crowd I love BW been watching for years but the fans around here.... Its really sad. Its like if you had a house and when its time to move out instead of clean it up and leaving in peace.. you burn the house down. Thats all I hear from 90% of the BW crowd. Burn the fucking house down. Screw the esports scene screw all the the teams and all the players. No ones allowed to play sc2, no one is allowed to continue their career in sc2. Its either BW or the whole scene has to shut down and everyone has to quit. Like a bunch of children that will break a toy before let other kids play with it.
Welcome to the real life i guess. Its not really that different in any other competition be it video or real one or whatever. I know its hard to imagine some people here actually opening this site to sit in a tiny corner in BW forums and discuss things there and its unimaginable for many people, same way as its unimaginable for me to do many things yet i somehow muster my imagination and my brain cells to understand and if i cant i at least tolerate it, the free will.
To end it i do not understand why would someone unrelated to Brood War come here and lecture how people should act. You are not expected to come to unrelated to you person's funeral. Because there is no reason, unless there is something you could gain from it. And yes many SC2 people come here to gain the inheritance. Now how sad it is? Analogy is half-assed but imho serves the purpose, there are many things to gain from "BW death" for SC2 scene and for 1 BW elitits there are 100 SC2 people who turnish the last bits with their posting on this site. Respect the feelings of people no matter how wrong they are to your 3rd party perspective which in fact is in advantageous position.
Note: Im not solely BW fan.
Guess you didnt read the part were i said i have watch BW for years. Im 26 I begged for weeks to my parents and got starcraft on release day. I took jobs around town to make enough money to buy BW myself. I love the game. But im not gonna try and tear down kespa or any league. I dont say sc2 isnt a legit game. I dont want the whole esports scene to just shut down just because i dont get to see what i wanna see. I happen to like sc2 as well. I like bw better so maybe thats why i dont understand the pure hatred around here. I mean I dont get fighting games. Dont like the casting dont find it entertaining. But im not out posting on how fighting games are bullshit. That they take no skill and there shouldnt be tourneys for them and we should get people to boycott it. People dont like it thats fine to each his own dont get involved but do you really need to go out of your way and actively try and undermine it?
I think that is not his point. On an unrelated note...would the way you feel about fighting games change if there was no more starcraft because it was being replace by a fighting game? And if that was still the case but ontop of that you'd get people to tell you you are selfish if you dont like and support fighting games?
To some people SC2 is as foreign as a fighting game and to lose something they've loved and actively did for 10+ years is bad enough let alone being constantly bombarded with people telling they should just support esports and other stuff. Yeah people could just ignore that. But sometimes you can't keep it to yourself.
Edit: Although I agree that just wanting it all to crash and burn isn't the way. I was just stating that people's pain is understandable and most people that are "trolling" the bw fans don't understand it.
Honestly, I'm really excited for the new season of Proleague! I'm so curious to see whether players are going to showcase standard play or whether they've developed their own styles, being limited to their own teamhouses for the duration of their SC2 practice.
On May 10 2012 20:33 Detwiler wrote: So much hate from the BW crowd I love BW been watching for years but the fans around here.... Its really sad. Its like if you had a house and when its time to move out instead of clean it up and leaving in peace.. you burn the house down. Thats all I hear from 90% of the BW crowd. Burn the fucking house down. Screw the esports scene screw all the the teams and all the players. No ones allowed to play sc2, no one is allowed to continue their career in sc2. Its either BW or the whole scene has to shut down and everyone has to quit. Like a bunch of children that will break a toy before let other kids play with it.
Welcome to the real life i guess. Its not really that different in any other competition be it video or real one or whatever. I know its hard to imagine some people here actually opening this site to sit in a tiny corner in BW forums and discuss things there and its unimaginable for many people, same way as its unimaginable for me to do many things yet i somehow muster my imagination and my brain cells to understand and if i cant i at least tolerate it, the free will.
To end it i do not understand why would someone unrelated to Brood War come here and lecture how people should act. You are not expected to come to unrelated to you person's funeral. Because there is no reason, unless there is something you could gain from it. And yes many SC2 people come here to gain the inheritance. Now how sad it is? Analogy is half-assed but imho serves the purpose, there are many things to gain from "BW death" for SC2 scene and for 1 BW elitits there are 100 SC2 people who turnish the last bits with their posting on this site. Respect the feelings of people no matter how wrong they are to your 3rd party perspective which in fact is in advantageous position.
Note: Im not solely BW fan.
Guess you didnt read the part were i said i have watch BW for years. Im 26 I begged for weeks to my parents and got starcraft on release day. I took jobs around town to make enough money to buy BW myself. I love the game. But im not gonna try and tear down kespa or any league. I dont say sc2 isnt a legit game. I dont want the whole esports scene to just shut down just because i dont get to see what i wanna see. I happen to like sc2 as well. I like bw better so maybe thats why i dont understand the pure hatred around here. I mean I dont get fighting games. Dont like the casting dont find it entertaining. But im not out posting on how fighting games are bullshit. That they take no skill and there shouldnt be tourneys for them and we should get people to boycott it. People dont like it thats fine to each his own dont get involved but do you really need to go out of your way and actively try and undermine it?
Fine im sorry i missed the part of following bw for years, maybe house analogy cought my eyes to much. But what you are saying is describing BW vs SC2 antagonism which only exist because both communities integrate with each other. Some people say its bad, but i think its irrelevant. The fact that there is "war" shows that there is difference. This difference is big enough reason to not shove each product into other ones throat. You understand the difference and accept it other one will not, but it doesnt neccesery mean he is dumber or something its the fact he does not like the difference and its his own thing. There are trolls and people being upset or even angry thats a difference. Trolls dont need reason, they will find a reason to troll, there are passionate people being upset or angry and this happens everywhere.
On May 10 2012 20:33 Detwiler wrote: So much hate from the BW crowd I love BW been watching for years but the fans around here.... Its really sad. Its like if you had a house and when its time to move out instead of clean it up and leaving in peace.. you burn the house down. Thats all I hear from 90% of the BW crowd. Burn the fucking house down. Screw the esports scene screw all the the teams and all the players. No ones allowed to play sc2, no one is allowed to continue their career in sc2. Its either BW or the whole scene has to shut down and everyone has to quit. Like a bunch of children that will break a toy before let other kids play with it.
Welcome to the real life i guess. Its not really that different in any other competition be it video or real one or whatever. I know its hard to imagine some people here actually opening this site to sit in a tiny corner in BW forums and discuss things there and its unimaginable for many people, same way as its unimaginable for me to do many things yet i somehow muster my imagination and my brain cells to understand and if i cant i at least tolerate it, the free will.
To end it i do not understand why would someone unrelated to Brood War come here and lecture how people should act. You are not expected to come to unrelated to you person's funeral. Because there is no reason, unless there is something you could gain from it. And yes many SC2 people come here to gain the inheritance. Now how sad it is? Analogy is half-assed but imho serves the purpose, there are many things to gain from "BW death" for SC2 scene and for 1 BW elitits there are 100 SC2 people who turnish the last bits with their posting on this site. Respect the feelings of people no matter how wrong they are to your 3rd party perspective which in fact is in advantageous position.
Note: Im not solely BW fan.
Guess you didnt read the part were i said i have watch BW for years. Im 26 I begged for weeks to my parents and got starcraft on release day. I took jobs around town to make enough money to buy BW myself. I love the game. But im not gonna try and tear down kespa or any league. I dont say sc2 isnt a legit game. I dont want the whole esports scene to just shut down just because i dont get to see what i wanna see. I happen to like sc2 as well. I like bw better so maybe thats why i dont understand the pure hatred around here. I mean I dont get fighting games. Dont like the casting dont find it entertaining. But im not out posting on how fighting games are bullshit. That they take no skill and there shouldnt be tourneys for them and we should get people to boycott it. People dont like it thats fine to each his own dont get involved but do you really need to go out of your way and actively try and undermine it?
Fine im sorry i missed the part of following bw for years, maybe house analogy cought my eyes to much. But what you are saying is describing BW vs SC2 antagonism which only exist because both communities integrate with each other. Some people say its bad, but i think its irrelevant. The fact that there is "war" shows that there is difference. This difference is big enough reason to not shove each product into other ones throat. You understand the difference and accept it other one will not, but it doesnt neccesery mean he is dumber or something its the fact he does not like the difference and its his own thing. There are trolls and people being upset or even angry thats a difference. Trolls dont need reason, they will find a reason to troll, there are passionate people being upset or angry and this happens everywhere.
I agree that in a perfect world we could just have the two games coexist in separate leagues no cross over and everything would be fine and beautiful.Sadly thats not were we are at. The truth is if BW were raking in the cash, viewers and sponsors it would have its own strong stand alone leagues. But its not so this is what we have. What I take exception to is people who want to kill the whole thing because they dont get exactly what they want. Screw the player trying to make a living screw the the whole scene. They dont get to see what they want then nobody gets to see anything and im sorry but that is complete bullshit.
On May 10 2012 20:33 Detwiler wrote: So much hate from the BW crowd I love BW been watching for years but the fans around here.... Its really sad. Its like if you had a house and when its time to move out instead of clean it up and leaving in peace.. you burn the house down. Thats all I hear from 90% of the BW crowd. Burn the fucking house down. Screw the esports scene screw all the the teams and all the players. No ones allowed to play sc2, no one is allowed to continue their career in sc2. Its either BW or the whole scene has to shut down and everyone has to quit. Like a bunch of children that will break a toy before let other kids play with it.
Welcome to the real life i guess. Its not really that different in any other competition be it video or real one or whatever. I know its hard to imagine some people here actually opening this site to sit in a tiny corner in BW forums and discuss things there and its unimaginable for many people, same way as its unimaginable for me to do many things yet i somehow muster my imagination and my brain cells to understand and if i cant i at least tolerate it, the free will.
To end it i do not understand why would someone unrelated to Brood War come here and lecture how people should act. You are not expected to come to unrelated to you person's funeral. Because there is no reason, unless there is something you could gain from it. And yes many SC2 people come here to gain the inheritance. Now how sad it is? Analogy is half-assed but imho serves the purpose, there are many things to gain from "BW death" for SC2 scene and for 1 BW elitits there are 100 SC2 people who turnish the last bits with their posting on this site. Respect the feelings of people no matter how wrong they are to your 3rd party perspective which in fact is in advantageous position.
Note: Im not solely BW fan.
Guess you didnt read the part were i said i have watch BW for years. Im 26 I begged for weeks to my parents and got starcraft on release day. I took jobs around town to make enough money to buy BW myself. I love the game. But im not gonna try and tear down kespa or any league. I dont say sc2 isnt a legit game. I dont want the whole esports scene to just shut down just because i dont get to see what i wanna see. I happen to like sc2 as well. I like bw better so maybe thats why i dont understand the pure hatred around here. I mean I dont get fighting games. Dont like the casting dont find it entertaining. But im not out posting on how fighting games are bullshit. That they take no skill and there shouldnt be tourneys for them and we should get people to boycott it. People dont like it thats fine to each his own dont get involved but do you really need to go out of your way and actively try and undermine it?
Fine im sorry i missed the part of following bw for years, maybe house analogy cought my eyes to much. But what you are saying is describing BW vs SC2 antagonism which only exist because both communities integrate with each other. Some people say its bad, but i think its irrelevant. The fact that there is "war" shows that there is difference. This difference is big enough reason to not shove each product into other ones throat. You understand the difference and accept it other one will not, but it doesnt neccesery mean he is dumber or something its the fact he does not like the difference and its his own thing. There are trolls and people being upset or even angry thats a difference. Trolls dont need reason, they will find a reason to troll, there are passionate people being upset or angry and this happens everywhere.
I agree that in a perfect world we could just have the two games coexist in separate leagues no cross over and everything would be fine and beautiful.Sadly thats not were we are at. The truth is if BW were raking in the cash, viewers and sponsors it would have its own strong stand alone leagues. But its not so this is what we have. What I take exception to is people who want to kill the whole thing because they dont get exactly what they want. Screw the player trying to make a living screw the the whole scene. They dont get to see what they want then nobody gets to see anything and im sorry but that is complete bullshit.
What the hell are you talking about. People don't want this tournament format because it sucks. I'm not going to watch sc2 just "because". Come up with a better reason.
I'm not sure if you've watched the ODT but some of the groups was a waste of time. Terrible games.
On May 10 2012 16:21 icyF wrote: Here's to hoping this madness will not continue for more seasons, but instead revert back to only BW.
You do realize it's the other way around - after this season, it's purely SC2 and no more BW for Pro-League, as per the comments of the KESPA official when they had the Blizzard/GOM/KESPA/OGN conference announcement (please search for the transcript of the conference).
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