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On April 24 2012 16:33 Snuggles wrote:
Maybe BW elitist will become more humble? The time has come after all. It's a damn shame since I like to watch BW too, but dislike the BW elitist community so I kind feel good seeing their era coming to an end on the esports side of things.
wat. Just because people are fans of BW and not SC2 doesn't make them an elitist. I also like watching hockey and absolutely hate baseball. Am I a Hockey elitist as well?
On April 24 2012 11:39 Xiphos wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2012 11:35 LEGAsee wrote:On April 24 2012 11:15 Caihead wrote:On April 24 2012 10:47 malady wrote:On April 24 2012 06:42 newvsoldschool wrote:
I will continue to spectate if BW progamers significantly increased the skill ceiling of SC2, and that they will dominate the SC2 scene 1-2 months after the transition. lmao you got a point I would watch sc2 if all the bw pros dominate would be pretty funny to see all the butt hurt sc2 fans rage Well the thing is though, other than knowing rts fundamentals, being a BW pro doesn't automatically mean you will dominate in SC2. I think one of the biggest problems will be how BW pros transition to SC2 (what teams they will be placed on, what coaching and practicing environment), because the things that set BW pros apart beyond natural talent and mechanics is essentially the work ethic and practice environment. Unless the BW top players get transferred into a good training / coaching environment I find it really hard to believe that they can catch up to the top echelon in 1-2 months because knowledge of the evolving meta game is going to take a long time, especially seeing that some of the players don't even know what the new units or tech are. They're staying on their own (much, much better funded) teams. Apparently they will be segregating the players, no non-bw pros get to participate, so that they are on relatively even footing. I'm sure by the time that stipulation is removed they will be the dominate force that is expected of them. Stars will get MVP back on their team SKT with Boxer and MMA STX getting their Tushin back KHAN get Anyppi and that Rygul2 guy Team 8 gets MC And so on. If they are really hoping to dominate in SC2, they need to bring these guys for practice.
Is that actually the plan that kespa/korean teams have or just a something of a good idea so that they would have experienced players?
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On April 25 2012 01:57 LEGAsee wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2012 16:33 Snuggles wrote:
Maybe BW elitist will become more humble? The time has come after all. It's a damn shame since I like to watch BW too, but dislike the BW elitist community so I kind feel good seeing their era coming to an end on the esports side of things. wat. Just because people are fans of BW and not SC2 doesn't make them an elitist. I also like watching hockey and absolutely hate baseball. Am I a Hockey elitist as well? Show nested quote +On April 24 2012 11:39 Xiphos wrote:On April 24 2012 11:35 LEGAsee wrote:On April 24 2012 11:15 Caihead wrote:On April 24 2012 10:47 malady wrote:On April 24 2012 06:42 newvsoldschool wrote:
I will continue to spectate if BW progamers significantly increased the skill ceiling of SC2, and that they will dominate the SC2 scene 1-2 months after the transition. lmao you got a point I would watch sc2 if all the bw pros dominate would be pretty funny to see all the butt hurt sc2 fans rage Well the thing is though, other than knowing rts fundamentals, being a BW pro doesn't automatically mean you will dominate in SC2. I think one of the biggest problems will be how BW pros transition to SC2 (what teams they will be placed on, what coaching and practicing environment), because the things that set BW pros apart beyond natural talent and mechanics is essentially the work ethic and practice environment. Unless the BW top players get transferred into a good training / coaching environment I find it really hard to believe that they can catch up to the top echelon in 1-2 months because knowledge of the evolving meta game is going to take a long time, especially seeing that some of the players don't even know what the new units or tech are. They're staying on their own (much, much better funded) teams. Apparently they will be segregating the players, no non-bw pros get to participate, so that they are on relatively even footing. I'm sure by the time that stipulation is removed they will be the dominate force that is expected of them. Stars will get MVP back on their team SKT with Boxer and MMA STX getting their Tushin back KHAN get Anyppi and that Rygul2 guy Team 8 gets MC And so on. If they are really hoping to dominate in SC2, they need to bring these guys for practice. Is that actually the plan that kespa/korean teams have or just a something of a good idea so that they would have experienced players?
This can't be real can it? I mean these players are on contracts, if their contracts end and then they switched i could see it. Why would these world class players go back to their old teams? Most of them are doing pretty well on their current teams.
Why would keeping BW pro's on their own team be better? Wouldn't it be better if they all sort of got traded around and ended on teams with SC2 veterans? I mean i can understand why they would want to stay together from a personal perspective but it would be a bunch of people who never played football teaching each other to play football and become pros (Obviously the switch is not that dramatic but it is there).
Or perhaps i am just mis-reading everything the wording to me its a little awkward
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On April 25 2012 02:18 DreamChaser wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2012 01:57 LEGAsee wrote:On April 24 2012 16:33 Snuggles wrote:
Maybe BW elitist will become more humble? The time has come after all. It's a damn shame since I like to watch BW too, but dislike the BW elitist community so I kind feel good seeing their era coming to an end on the esports side of things. wat. Just because people are fans of BW and not SC2 doesn't make them an elitist. I also like watching hockey and absolutely hate baseball. Am I a Hockey elitist as well? On April 24 2012 11:39 Xiphos wrote:On April 24 2012 11:35 LEGAsee wrote:On April 24 2012 11:15 Caihead wrote:On April 24 2012 10:47 malady wrote:On April 24 2012 06:42 newvsoldschool wrote:
I will continue to spectate if BW progamers significantly increased the skill ceiling of SC2, and that they will dominate the SC2 scene 1-2 months after the transition. lmao you got a point I would watch sc2 if all the bw pros dominate would be pretty funny to see all the butt hurt sc2 fans rage Well the thing is though, other than knowing rts fundamentals, being a BW pro doesn't automatically mean you will dominate in SC2. I think one of the biggest problems will be how BW pros transition to SC2 (what teams they will be placed on, what coaching and practicing environment), because the things that set BW pros apart beyond natural talent and mechanics is essentially the work ethic and practice environment. Unless the BW top players get transferred into a good training / coaching environment I find it really hard to believe that they can catch up to the top echelon in 1-2 months because knowledge of the evolving meta game is going to take a long time, especially seeing that some of the players don't even know what the new units or tech are. They're staying on their own (much, much better funded) teams. Apparently they will be segregating the players, no non-bw pros get to participate, so that they are on relatively even footing. I'm sure by the time that stipulation is removed they will be the dominate force that is expected of them. Stars will get MVP back on their team SKT with Boxer and MMA STX getting their Tushin back KHAN get Anyppi and that Rygul2 guy Team 8 gets MC And so on. If they are really hoping to dominate in SC2, they need to bring these guys for practice. Is that actually the plan that kespa/korean teams have or just a something of a good idea so that they would have experienced players? This can't be real can it? I mean these players are on contracts, if their contracts end and then they switched i could see it. Why would these world class players go back to their old teams? Most of them are doing pretty well on their current teams. Why would keeping BW pro's on their own team be better? Wouldn't it be better if they all sort of got traded around and ended on teams with SC2 veterans? I mean i can understand why they would want to stay together from a personal perspective but it would be a bunch of people who never played football teaching each other to play football and become pros (Obviously the switch is not that dramatic but it is there). Or perhaps i am just mis-reading everything the wording to me its a little awkward
Yeah, I'm confused about that as well since what I've read (though it's only the translated things posted here on TL) that Kespa is going to keep other SC2 players from their league for awhile so the transition is smoother and all the teams/players are on even footing. They'd be rolled if they competed with GSL players or would be practice partners if they didn't. Financially it makes sense for the player since, as far as I know, there is no real money in contracts for SC2 teams. BW teams are relatively rich. I think your analogy is worse than you acknowledge. They'll be playing on the ladder and probably be practicing with SC2 pros since many of them were former BW pros and on friendly terms with their former teams/teammates. Not to mention that, as you described it, is exactly what happened at launch. They'll have the benefit of VODS and seasoned ladder players to steal builds from while they're figuring out what does and doesn't work.
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On April 24 2012 10:47 malady wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2012 06:42 newvsoldschool wrote:
I will continue to spectate if BW progamers significantly increased the skill ceiling of SC2, and that they will dominate the SC2 scene 1-2 months after the transition. lmao you got a point I would watch sc2 if all the bw pros dominate would be pretty funny to see all the butt hurt sc2 fans rage
Hmm...
Why do you think that KeSPA is barring perfectly capable GSL-players from participating in their SC2 tourney for a year?
Think about that.
I'll be there laughing when you eat that post when the opposite happens. :D
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On April 25 2012 02:45 JiPrime wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2012 10:47 malady wrote:On April 24 2012 06:42 newvsoldschool wrote:
I will continue to spectate if BW progamers significantly increased the skill ceiling of SC2, and that they will dominate the SC2 scene 1-2 months after the transition. lmao you got a point I would watch sc2 if all the bw pros dominate would be pretty funny to see all the butt hurt sc2 fans rage Hmm... Why do you think that KeSPA is barring perfectly capable GSL-players from participating in their SC2 tourney for a year? Think about that. I'll be there laughing when you eat that post when the opposite happens. :D
The primary reason is continuity, really. It's their league and their players. I believe Kespa is ran by representatives from the sponsors, which includes giants like the two top Korean telecom companies and CJ entertainment. They'd certainly have quite a losing percentage against the current top pros right out of the gates....but SC2 is a game they've been playing on the side and now will be one where they are splitting practice between two games.
If you honestly think the opposite is going to happen if they take it up full time, though, you'll be  . I'll gladly eat my words if I am wrong if you're prepared to do the same.
EDIT: I forgot my passive-aggressive smiley... :D
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On April 25 2012 02:45 JiPrime wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2012 10:47 malady wrote:On April 24 2012 06:42 newvsoldschool wrote:
I will continue to spectate if BW progamers significantly increased the skill ceiling of SC2, and that they will dominate the SC2 scene 1-2 months after the transition. lmao you got a point I would watch sc2 if all the bw pros dominate would be pretty funny to see all the butt hurt sc2 fans rage Hmm... Why do you think that KeSPA is barring perfectly capable GSL-players from participating in their SC2 tourney for a year? Think about that. I'll be there laughing when you eat that post when the opposite happens. :D
lmao perhaps because the league is planned to be mixed? Do you really want to see why MVP was called a Woongjin Terran.
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Is anyone gonna be mad if I say I'm switching to LoL proscene? It's fairly exciting..... And the game is incredibly fun and competitive. I quit SC2 after 2 months and I've been playing LoL for about 4 months now with no end in sight. Anyone else?
I'm definitely going to miss the BW proscene though.... I'm glad I got to spend as much time with it as I did. It truly is a masterpiece.
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well LoL is ok to play but rly boring to watch.
when kespa no longer support bw i will simply watch other organisation shows. after all as long as there is enought of poeple who wana watch bw , there will be some shows with it.
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Once pro BW is completely gone? I'll go watch League of Legends, and maybe follow amateur BW for as long as that's around. If I stick around TL it will only be for LoL, as I couldn't care less for pro SC2.
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I'll probably mainly watch LoL.
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On April 26 2012 12:38 Iri wrote:
Once pro BW is completely gone? I'll go watch League of Legends, and maybe follow amateur BW for as long as that's around. If I stick around TL it will only be for LoL, as I couldn't care less for pro SC2.
I will probably end up doing the same. I stopped watching pro SC2 a long time ago. I play and watch league infinitely more than SC2. However I still occasionally read about GSL and a few tournaments on TL. I'll stick with TL forever, but probably for the general and BW boards.
Thinking about the end of Broodwar feels so melancholic. Is this really the end? I want to see more pro-league and pure broodwar in its finest state. I suppose it's time to move on.
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On April 25 2012 03:44 wassbix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2012 02:45 JiPrime wrote:On April 24 2012 10:47 malady wrote:On April 24 2012 06:42 newvsoldschool wrote:
I will continue to spectate if BW progamers significantly increased the skill ceiling of SC2, and that they will dominate the SC2 scene 1-2 months after the transition. lmao you got a point I would watch sc2 if all the bw pros dominate would be pretty funny to see all the butt hurt sc2 fans rage Hmm... Why do you think that KeSPA is barring perfectly capable GSL-players from participating in their SC2 tourney for a year? Think about that. I'll be there laughing when you eat that post when the opposite happens. :D lmao perhaps because the league is planned to be mixed? Do you really want to see why MVP was called a Woongjin Terran.
It's quite obvious they are trying to protect the current BW pros from getting owned by people who are better right now. If you can't see that you are obviously quite biased and think BW pros are some sort of gods who will just be good despite not having even played the game. That's ridiculous, were the BW pros good at BW before they played BW?
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On April 26 2012 13:20 Luepert wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2012 03:44 wassbix wrote:On April 25 2012 02:45 JiPrime wrote:On April 24 2012 10:47 malady wrote:On April 24 2012 06:42 newvsoldschool wrote:
I will continue to spectate if BW progamers significantly increased the skill ceiling of SC2, and that they will dominate the SC2 scene 1-2 months after the transition. lmao you got a point I would watch sc2 if all the bw pros dominate would be pretty funny to see all the butt hurt sc2 fans rage Hmm... Why do you think that KeSPA is barring perfectly capable GSL-players from participating in their SC2 tourney for a year? Think about that. I'll be there laughing when you eat that post when the opposite happens. :D lmao perhaps because the league is planned to be mixed? Do you really want to see why MVP was called a Woongjin Terran. It's quite obvious they are trying to protect the current BW pros from getting owned by people who are better right now. If you can't see that you are obviously quite biased and think BW pros are some sort of gods who will just be good despite not having even played the game. That's ridiculous, were the BW pros good at BW before they played BW?
I love the ignorance.. The Sc2 fanboys cant even see what is happening.. Ive already seen it once back in Sc:Bw.. That is how it starts, the Koreans start their pro teams, and no foriegners allowed so the Koreans dont get swallowed by the foreigners who are ahead of them, then after a little time they allow foreigners to try out for their team, at which point no foreigner can touch them, and they just dominate the scene for the rest of the games life.. Im pretty sure something like only 4 foreigners have every actually played on a KeSPA team((i might be wrong, but i know its low)) and none have done good.((besides mabey Grrrr.))
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On April 26 2012 13:20 Luepert wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2012 03:44 wassbix wrote:On April 25 2012 02:45 JiPrime wrote:On April 24 2012 10:47 malady wrote:On April 24 2012 06:42 newvsoldschool wrote:
I will continue to spectate if BW progamers significantly increased the skill ceiling of SC2, and that they will dominate the SC2 scene 1-2 months after the transition. lmao you got a point I would watch sc2 if all the bw pros dominate would be pretty funny to see all the butt hurt sc2 fans rage Hmm... Why do you think that KeSPA is barring perfectly capable GSL-players from participating in their SC2 tourney for a year? Think about that. I'll be there laughing when you eat that post when the opposite happens. :D lmao perhaps because the league is planned to be mixed? Do you really want to see why MVP was called a Woongjin Terran. It's quite obvious they are trying to protect the current BW pros from getting owned by people who are better right now. If you can't see that you are obviously quite biased and think BW pros are some sort of gods who will just be good despite not having even played the game. That's ridiculous, were the BW pros good at BW before they played BW?
Did you miss the part where he said it's a mixxed league??
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On April 26 2012 13:20 Luepert wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2012 03:44 wassbix wrote:On April 25 2012 02:45 JiPrime wrote:On April 24 2012 10:47 malady wrote:On April 24 2012 06:42 newvsoldschool wrote:
I will continue to spectate if BW progamers significantly increased the skill ceiling of SC2, and that they will dominate the SC2 scene 1-2 months after the transition. lmao you got a point I would watch sc2 if all the bw pros dominate would be pretty funny to see all the butt hurt sc2 fans rage Hmm... Why do you think that KeSPA is barring perfectly capable GSL-players from participating in their SC2 tourney for a year? Think about that. I'll be there laughing when you eat that post when the opposite happens. :D lmao perhaps because the league is planned to be mixed? Do you really want to see why MVP was called a Woongjin Terran. It's quite obvious they are trying to protect the current BW pros from getting owned by people who are better right now. If you can't see that you are obviously quite biased and think BW pros are some sort of gods who will just be good despite not having even played the game. That's ridiculous, were the BW pros good at BW before they played BW?
Goodness. You couldn't even read 1 sentence correctly.
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Looks like the vast majority don't mind SC2 as much as the vocal minority seem to make out.
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On April 26 2012 15:02 OMGomg64 wrote:
Looks like the vast majority don't mind SC2 as much as the vocal minority seem to make out.
Any SC2 fan can vote in the poll lol. Most probably consider themselves BW fans after playing fastest possible map 8 years ago, and watching the clip of Boxer bunker rushing Yellow on youtube once.
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For me, I've following BW less when SC2 was released so, my focus will now mainly on LoL and some SC2.
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The 'I like BW and SC2' option is likely inflated by non-BW regulars lol.
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I'm quite sad because at first, i was really interested by SC2, i kept following the BW scene religiously, but it was fun to have tournaments every day and watching all the foreign players. Now, i have grown bored by SC2, all games seems the same to me and the scene is stale. I hardly watch any tournament now, so, i think i will keep seeing less and less SC2 until i stop totally. I will probably watch just the transitionnal phase of Proleague, hoping they play BW at least for 2 or 3 seasons.
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