Rumors on SC Proleague Season 2 - Page 93

Kiante

Australia7069 Posts

April 16 2012 15:34 GMT

#1841

On April 17 2012 00:22 Otolia wrote:
I love reading these threads where people thrash-talk SC2 like there is no tomorrow. You know what guys ? Stay with good ol' BW, SC2 doesn't want people who confound elitism with contempt.

The rest who truly wishes to share their passion to newcomers are always welcome but alas I think they already have and the rest of you are becoming more and more bitter. Nobody asks you to love SC 2 as much as the SC2 fans do, just to try to make it better with your previous knowledge. Why is that so hard ?!

you came to the broodwar forum. clicked on a thread about the best BW competition being closed, and you expected everyone to be here going YAY SC2.

seriously?

Belligerent

United States46 Posts

April 16 2012 15:40 GMT

#1842

Reading all the BW comments is really interesting. It makes the site seem like there's tons of BW only people, but I'm think it's just a vocal minority.

b0lt

United States790 Posts

April 16 2012 15:43 GMT

#1843

On April 16 2012 23:57 gCgCrypto wrote:
Tell me all about the specator Sport Starcraft was 2 years after Release.

I hate all those people trying to argue against SC2 by saying it should not be given as mutch time as SC1 was because that is what supports thair statement...

Blizzard stopped doing balance patches around 2 years after Starcraft came out. The only changes from then on were obvious game breaking exploit/bug fixes. At the same point in its life, without the advantage of seeing the entire development of Brood War as a spectator sport, the original Starcraft was fundamentally a much better "e-sport" than SC2 is now. One of the biggest problems with SC2 is that Blizzard does way too many knee jerk patches to things that appear overpowered, without actually letting them play out. That means you'll instead of progressions like carrier OP -> double armory flash build stomps carriers -> mass expanding protoss beats double armory -> modern TvP, you get x OP -> x nerfed/removed.

BLinD-RawR

ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts

April 16 2012 15:43 GMT

#1844

On April 17 2012 00:40 Belligerent wrote:
Reading all the BW comments is really interesting. It makes the site seem like there's tons of BW only people, but I'm think it's just a vocal minority.

you do realize this is the BW forum right? of course it has a ton of BW only people. Not to metion the fact that TL has been around since 2002.

I_are_n00b

196 Posts

April 16 2012 15:45 GMT

#1845

I don't get how SC2 fans can't feel any empathy when it comes to BW and SC2 so they deem everything we say to be elitism. No guys, you know how you guys feel about LoL taking over SC2? That's how we feel about SC2 taking over BW... Too many SC2 players LoL is not complex enough, not an RTS etc etc... and they complain about how it's made for mass appeal, it's free etc... You guys need to understand the "better graphics" argument is to us, shallow mass appeal.

The other common argument, that SC2 has taken off way faster than when the original Starcraft. Guys, this is idiotic. When BW came out there was no such thing as professional gaming. Yeah maybe there were tournaments, but there was no such thing as 2 (and at one point 3) cable channels dedicated to a game, and people on SALARY as opposed to living off of tournament winnings.

What's wrong with SC2? To me, the game's not deep enough, the counters aren't hard enough. I don't want to see a War3 type strategy where the guy mixes in some stuff to slightly bend the battle to his favor. I want to see a battle take longer than a few seconds. Whenever I watch a good BW game, it's like a 30 minute continuous battle where it's back and forth. Whenever my friends make me watch an "epic" SC2 series, it's like 10 battles where the two players take turns wiping out the other in seconds. That's not epic...

Maybe if there were no RTS's around, then yes it'd be the best thing I've ever seen, but BW already exists and offers something better. Why would I support a step down in ESports just because it's newer? I want to emphasize that if BW didn't exist, SC2 would probably be amazing. This explains the draw of people who never followed pro BW... but after years of watching televised BW, SC2 is (as of right now) a step down. Maybe HoTS will correct things, who knows, but for now why would I support a downgrade?

Windwaker

Germany1597 Posts

April 16 2012 15:49 GMT

#1846

cant wait for this

eloist

United States1017 Posts

April 16 2012 15:52 GMT

#1847

On April 17 2012 00:34 Kiante wrote:

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you came to the broodwar forum. clicked on a thread about the best BW competition being closed, and you expected everyone to be here going YAY SC2.

seriously?

There was another thread closed (on the SC2 side?) with a link to continue the discussion here.

Marti

552 Posts

April 16 2012 15:54 GMT

#1848

On April 16 2012 23:57 gCgCrypto wrote:

Show nested quote +

On April 16 2012 23:45 white_horse wrote:

On April 16 2012 23:04 NMxSardines wrote:
I don't like how people just simply hate on the one of the best video games of all time, that is Starcraft 2, - there is simply no other multiplayer competitive game to come out in recent years that can measure up to it, in my opinion. People just simply say that Starcraft 2 is worse without stating why because of their obvious bias towards Brood War - without even giving Starcraft 2 some time to prove itself while Brood War has lasted through an expansion pack and a whole decade.

And yes, Brood War will always remain a novelty - there is NOTHING you can do about it and it is NOT Blizzard's fault. Starcraft 2 is a SEQUEL, deal with it.

Saying that SC2 "needs more time" is a euphemism for "this game isn't as good as it should have been". If SC2 isn't exciting for non-gamers now, what makes you think that it's going to be exciting for them later? BW generated excitement and mainstream popularity in korea before it became "developed" - because it was a great spectator sport. BW didn't take 12 years to become as exciting as it is now; it was just as exciting 12 years ago. SC2 fans apparantly do not know this. In terms of raw popularity and mainstream interest among a populace, BW is king. You can cite total cash pools, the number of SC2 tournaments, and continue making excuses of "giving it more time" - the reality is that SC2 is lagging in korea and among the foreign community it has been unable to generate any kind of excitement to people other than SC2 players. If the current state of SC2 is success to members of that community, nobody from the BW side is trying to burst your bubbles. What makes people here angry is that people are taking a game that they see as inferior and making stupid comments like "I wish jaedong would switch over" or "BW is dead".

The biggest problem with SC2 is that it is a terrible spectator sport. It's intense for the professionals who play it and the amateurs who watch it - and thats where it ends. If SC2 wanted to get on the scale of BW (televised games, draft system, centralized oversight, etc) it would need a total overhaul of the game and that isn't going to happen with time or expansions.

Tell me all about the specator Sport Starcraft was 2 years after Release.

I hate all those people trying to argue against SC2 by saying it should not be given as mutch time as SC1 was because that is what supports thair statement...

Crypto

The first game of the StarCraft series was released for Microsoft Windows on 31 March 1998

Here is the first televised game of starcraft ( 1999-10-02 )

Now i don't know how much time it actually took ( understand : first starcraft tournament to this ? ) but it was popular enough to get on tv one year after the release apparently

I guess supernovamaniac could shed some light on the very first tournaments etc ... next bw weekly perhaps ?

Windwaker

Germany1597 Posts

April 16 2012 15:56 GMT

#1849

lol the apm in the video at 22:38min

gCgCrypto

Germany297 Posts

April 16 2012 15:57 GMT

#1850

Blizzard stopped doing balance patches around 2 years after Starcraft came out.

:D

SC2 is still waiting for its Patch 1.08 (i hope you know what this was)

+ Show Spoiler +

Patch 1.08 was the last and most important Patch with significant Balance changes and it got Released
may 18, 2001,

EDIT:
@Marti If this is true it took like 1.5 years for its first televised Match (31 March 1998 initial release)
well SC2 got there in 1.5 years aswell (but not with Korea or the West, Taiwan has the TeSL on the TV and some other less known countries have SC2 on TV aswell, i remember seeing a thread of some surprised redditor about how he saw MLG scehnes on his TV but i dont know where)

jtp118

United States137 Posts

April 16 2012 16:00 GMT

#1851

to all of the old BW fans complaining about the end of BW ... my initial interest in esports was Halo, and Halo:CE (i.e., Halo 1) is thought of much as BW is thought of among Starcraft fans. the pinnacle of the series, the best console FPS of all time, etc.

do you want to know how much time Halo:CE had in the pro tournament scene? barely more than two years. the fact that you've had pro BW for 11 EFFING YEARS and are complaining about it finally going away; stop acting so entitled. you are incredibly, incredibly lucky that BW was so popular in South Korea for so long

Sawamura

Malaysia7602 Posts

April 16 2012 16:03 GMT

#1852

On April 17 2012 00:57 gCgCrypto wrote:

Show nested quote +

:D

SC2 is still waiting for its Patch 1.08 (i hope you know what this was)

+ Show Spoiler +

Patch 1.08 was the last and most important Patch with significant Balance changes and it got Released
may 18, 2001,

+ Show Spoiler +

Starcraft and Brood War Patch Information

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- patch 1.16.1
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Feature Changes

- In-game Speed Options menu now has a "Enable CPU Throttling" checkbox.
Enabling this option will allow StarCraft to consume fewer CPU cycles. By
default this option is off.

Bug Fixes

- Fixed an issue with the reply feature where any character followed by a "r "
was being treated as a reply.
- Removed an unnecessary delay when processing palette cycling updates.
- Lessened the imposed delay in the CPU Throttling feature.

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- patch 1.16.0
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Feature Changes

- In-game chat is now saved in replays. Note: whispers are not saved.
- Hitting the Escape key while in the chat room will clear your typed text.
- "/reply" (or just "/r") will send a whisper to person who most recently whispered you.

Bug Fixes

- Fixed localization issues with "from" and "to" in whispers.
- Starcraft now only uses as much CPU as it needs to run smoothly.

Exploits

- Fixed an exploit which allowed Zerg players to gain minerals through mutations.
- Fixed an exploit which allowed Zerg players to recycle an upgrading building.
- Fixed an exploit which allowed Zerg players to extend their creep with a drone.
- Fixed an exploit which allowed Zerg players to move Drones over impassable terrain.
- Fixed an exploit which allowed Terran players to drop a nuke anywhere on the map.
- Fixed an exploit which allowed players to pause the game while in the pre-game lobby.

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- patch 1.15.3
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Bug Fixes
- Fixed a communication bug affecting third party leagues.
- Alt-F6 no longer stalls the game on Windows.
- Game now works correctly on versions of Mac OS X which do not support 256-color
mode.

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- patch 1.15.2
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Feature Changes

- StarCraft and StarCraft: BroodWar no longer require the CD while playing the
game. To play without the CD, please follow the following instructions:

- Windows Users:
- Make sure you have "Hide extensions for known types" unchecked under
Explorer Folder Options.
- If you own only StarCraft, copy "INSTALL.EXE" from the StarCraft CD to
your StarCraft folder and rename it to "StarCraft.mpq".
- If you own StarCraft: Brood War, copy "INSTALL.EXE" from the StarCraft:
Brood War CD to your StarCraft folder and rename it to "BroodWar.mpq".

- Mac users:
- If you own only StarCraft, copy "StarCraft Archive" from the StarCraft CD
to your StarCraft folder.
- If you own StarCraft: Brood War, copy "Brood War Archive" from the
StarCraft: Brood War CD to your StarCraft folder.

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- patch 1.15.1
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Bug Fixes

- Fixed a replay saving bug that occasionally crashed games.
- Fixed a bug where the map download progress was not shown.
- Pressing alt-f4 while in Starcraft and logged into a league now logs you out
of the league.
- Updated some of the localization for the league page.
- Fixed an exploit that allowed nukes to fall anywhere on the map.

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- patch 1.15.0
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Feature Changes

- Approved organizations can now operate StarCraft leagues. See
http://www.battle.net.
- Replays are automatically saved as LastReplay.rep.

Bug Fixes

- Fixed a bug that allowed burrowed units to be stacked.

Exploits

- Fixed a vulture exploit that crashed games.
- Fixed an exploit that allowed the rally points of others to be set.
- Fixed a multicommand hack that crashed Macintosh players.

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- patch 1.14.0
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Feature Changes

- For Top vs. Bottom games, the default chat filter is now 'Chat To Allies'.
- In-game chat messages now show the speaker's name in his/her team color.
- Users can now use the mouse wheel to scroll chat and selection boxes in
Windows 98 (or later) and Macintosh OS X.
- Screen shots now use a time/date stamp; they are no longer limited to 100.
- The high-color application icon from the Macintosh version is now used on PC.
- Small corrections to the Lost Temple and Dire Straits maps.

Bug Fixes

- Fixed Hatchery cancellation crash bug.
- Fixed crash that can occur when SCVs are repairing a unit boarding a Dropship.
- Fixed crash when Mac users very quickly cancel connection to Battle.net.
- Fixed a scoring bug that gave Zerg unit points for building cancellation.
- Users can now take screen shots on Macintosh OS X.
- Updated Battle.net account creation information text.
- Logging onto an account closed for a Battle.net Terms of Service violation
will now say the account is closed, rather than 'invalid password'.
- Fixed bug preventing Portuguese StarCraft clients from receiving patches from
Battle.net. Portuguese users must still patch to this level manually, but
subsequent patches can be obtained automatically from Battle.net.
- No longer displays control characters in Battle.net's map description pane.
- Color codes and control codes are no longer allowed in chat messages.
- Fixed a crash in StarEdit when attempting to save modified Blizzard maps.
- Fixed undesired text wrapping in Spanish and Portuguese Battle.net screens.
- Fixed a rare crash in multiplayer games.

Exploits

- Fixed the Nydus Canal cancellation bug that allowed creating a mobile exit.
- Fixed two exploits that allowed players to gain minerals very quickly.
- Fixed exploit that allowed Zerg buildings to become cloaked.
- Fixed exploit that allowed units to kill themselves instantly.
- Fixed exploit that allowed Command Center infestation without a Queen.
- Fixed exploit that allowed Command Center infestation from a distance.
- Fixed exploit that allowed players to float Zerg Drones over obstacles.
- Fixed exploit that allowed worker units to mine at a distance.
- Fixed exploit that allowed Terran buildings to lift off while training units.
- Fixed exploit that allowed SCVs to repair Protoss buildings.
- Fixed exploit that allowed SCVs to detach Larvae from Hatcheries.
- Fixed exploit that allowed morphing Terran and Protoss buildings.
- Fixed exploit that allowed buildings to be stacked on top of each other.
- Playing against illegally named players on Battle.net no longer results in a
disconnect game result.

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- patch 1.13f
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- Fixed several bugs that contributed to game exploits.

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- patch 1.13e
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- Fixed several bugs that contributed to game exploits.

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- patch 1.13d
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- Fixed a bug that prevented the training of infested terrans.

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- patch 1.13c
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- Fixed a bug involving zerg buildings.
- Fixed a bug related to minimap unit ordering during replays.

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- patch 1.13b
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- Fixed a bug where some maps could cause the game to crash.

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- patch 1.13
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Feature Changes

- Your units displayed within the minimap will now always be on top to
ensure that they are not hidden by another player's units.

- Changed the default Battle.net font for Korean Windows 9x to Gulim 9
to improve readability.

Bug Fixes

- Fixed several bugs that contributed to game exploits.
- Fixed a Korean character bug in chat.
- Fixed a German hotkey bug in Battle.net chat.
- Fixed a typo in the Battle.net register email screen.

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- patch 1.12b
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- Fixed bugs related to Korean chat on Windows 95/98/Me.

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- patch 1.12
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New Features

- Changed Speed from "Fast" to Fastest" for Ladder Games.

- You now can preview your map in the Multiplayer chat screen.

- Added feature that allows the creator of a private Battle.net game to make
the game public under the creator's name in Multiplayer Chat screen.

- Added full Korean language support for Battle.net and in-game.

- Added a Friends List Feature and button that allows you to keep track of your
friends on Battle.net.

- Added Password Recovery and email registration features (like Warcraft 3 and
Diablo 2) so you can recover your password via email.

- Added Friend mail feature that enables you to email your friends.

** Please go to www.battle.net/mail for more information on Battle.net mail
and password recovery features.

- Changed the default race type in single custom games to Random.

- It now remembers your last map and folder setting when you create single or
multi player games.

- Brood War will now show 'maps\BroodWar' folder as your default map folder.

- When a building is selected and if a ground rally point is set the rally
point will briefly animate.

- Added minimap ping (Alt-left-click on minimap to show graphic location.)

- Added alliance colors on units - Shift-Tab changes your color to green,
your allies to yellow and your enemies to red.

- Added right-click feature that will set your building rally point.

- Added shift-# to add a unit to a control group.

- The mouse cursor stays on the game's monitor in multi-monitor environments.

Updated Maps

- Lost Temple has been updated, while Dire Straits and Rivarly have been
slightly tweaked to balance resources and space for building.

- All maps have been resigned. If you have moved standard maps to different
folders you must do so again. If you have maps downloaded from our FTP
site you must do so again.

Bug Fixes

- Fixed bug related to seeing Question marks instead of Korean characters
when using /where command in battle.net

- Fixed a bug that hindered Korean text in Battle.net chatrooms and game
advertisements.

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- patch 1.11b
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- Fixed a bug that allowed SCV's to heal Marines.
- Fixed a bug that allowed Zerg to build without the need for creep.
- Fixed a bug that allowed buildings to be stacked on top of each other.
- Fixed a Mac bug that prevented StarEdit from running.
- Fixed a Mac bug where background music stopped after the first piece.

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- patch 1.11
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- Fixed a bug that hindered sound on NT machines.
- Fixed a bug that enabled you to make a Command Center slide into a location
by building a Comstat Station then canceling it due to lack of resources.
- Fixed a bug related to a Drone flying when surrounded by other units.
- Fixed a bug that would give you an assertion when you tell a drone to burrow
as it is about to morph into a building.
- Fixed a bug that caused Templars to fly across the map when interrupting an
Archon Merge.
- Fixed a bug involving a drone getting confused when receiving a second build
order while in transit to complete the first one.

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- patch 1.10
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- Fixed a bug involving burrowed units - if a burrowed lurker was attacked by
air, it would stop acquiring other targets. Changed so that non-AI lurkers
won't unburrow when attacked by air, which is a better idea all around.

- Fixed a bug where a drone could skate across terrain to an arbitrary
destination after failing to build an extractor.

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- patch 1.09b
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- Disconnects will be counted as losses in CompUSA games.

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- patch 1.09
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- Fixed various replay issues.

- Fixed a bug where Protoss and Terran victory and defeat background screens did
not display.

- Siege tanks no longer explode when placed on a beacon.

- Added LAN play via UDP

- Fixed latency issue with Windows 2000

- Added template type, CompUSA. http://gamefixx.compusa.com/tournament/default.asp

*****Modifications (North American versions only)*****

- Please note that included with this patch is a .dll file that relays
back to Blizzard the hardware configuration of the system on which the
patch is installed. This file will be effective in North America only.

In keeping with our policy of protecting user privacy, we will not be
collecting any personal information, nor will we be able to associate
any hardware information with any particular user. We will only be
recording CPU, RAM, operating system, video card, and sound card
information.

The reason we are doing this is to help our development teams optimize
our current and future games and battle.net for various hardware
configurations. The information we receive will help us tailor our software
to meet the system requirements of our customers and help us to enhance
their overall gameplay experience. If you have any questions or
concerns about this procedure, please email us at support@blizzard.com.

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- patch 1.08b
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- Fixed a bug that caused the game to crash when a damaged morphing creep colony,
- changed into a sunken colony.

- Mac ladder maps are now correct.

- Corrected URLs for KBK. www.kbk21.com.

- Removed URL for replay FAQ.

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- patch 1.08
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- Adds support for a new template "Top vs Bottom". This template functions
like Melee, with the exception that players in each half are automatically
allied and share vision at game start, thus removing the "who am I allied
with" question (and reducing the amount of clicking done after the game
starts). The game creator can move players around between the two sides as
needed to assign teams properly. Note that Top vs Bottom only works for
games with two sides - if you want to play 2x2x2 games, you will still need
to use Melee.

- Adds support for Game Recording. When a game is over, there will be a new
button "Save Replay" in the victory/defeat screen. If you save a replay, you
can watch it at a future date. Replays are saved to the "replay" folder inside
your Maps folder. Create a game and pick your replay from the "replay" folder.
A replay is always passworded. Up to 7 other people can your your replay game
to watch it with you; chat is from the people currently connected to the
replay game. Replay files can be transferred to other people automatically
(if someone joins your replay game, they get your replay transferred to them
via the automatic map download facility), or you can copy your replay files
(replays end in .REP) from your "replay" folder to a desired destination
manually. See www.blizzard.com\starcraft\replay for more information.
NOTE: game recording does not work for Team games (Team Melee, Team Free for
All, Team Capture the Flag).

- Adds support for gateway selection. You can now specify which Battle.net
cluster to connect to. In normal cases, you will do nothing, and you will
be sent to the "closest" Battle.net cluster. If you wish to override the
automatic selection, you can pick a cluster manually.

- Save Game clarification - the save game window now shows:
Saving Multiplayer Game
Save Game Name: XXX
in order to avoid the "Saving Starcraft Virus 1.0 to Hard Disk" joke.

- If you are really clever, you can crush tanks by landing buildings on them.
This is the unexpected consequence to fixing a cheeze that allowed players
to have siege tanks underneath barracks.

- Better proxy support
- Clearer battle.net messages.
- Updated "Connecting to fastest server" messages to be clearer.
- Ladders maps updated.
- Ladder cheating fix - Ladder map alteration fix (Japanese version too)
- Fixed various language translation problems.
- Fixed "gliding SCV" and "teleporting drone" bugs

ADDITIONAL KBK SUPPORT
Template Types
- KBK (Beginner)
- KBK (Game Room)
- KBK (Professional)
- KBK (Single)
- KBK (TEAM)
- KBK (Zone)
Account Types:
- KBK Beginner
- KBK Game Room
- KBK Professional
- KBK Single
- KBK Team-6
- KVK Zone-6

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Balance Changes 1.08
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TERRAN:
Valkyrie:
- Damage increase to 6 per missile.
- Acceleration and velocity increased slightly.
- Build time decreased.

Science Facility:
- Build time decreased.
- Irradiate research cost increased to 200 minerals, 200 gas.
- Yamato Cannon research cost decreased to 100 minerals, 100 gas.

Missile Turret:
- Decreased cost to 75 minerals.

Factory:
- Charon Missile Booster research cost decreased to 100 minerals, 100 gas.

Dropship:
- Increased speed.

Goliath:
- Increased ground attack range.

Battle Cruiser:
- Build time decreased.
- Supply cost decreased to 6.

PROTOSS:
Dragoon:
- Build time increased.

Scout:
- Decreased cost to 275 minerals, 125 gas.

Carrier:
- Supply cost decreased to 6.

Templar:
- Psi Storm Damage reduced.

Corsair:
- Disruption Web spell duration decreased.

Zealot:
- Shields decreased to 60 and hit points increased to 100.

ZERG:
Queen:
- Decreased build cost to 100 minerals, 100 gas.

Ultralisk:
- Supply cost decreased to 4.

Queen's Nest:
- Spawn Broodling cost decreased to 100 minerals, 100 gas.

Hydralisk Den:
- Lurker Aspect cost increased to 200 minerals, 200 gas.
- Hydralisk speed upgrade cost increased to 150 minerals, 150 gas.

Spawning Pool:
- Increased build cost to 200 minerals

Sunken Colony:
- Building armor increased to 2.
- Hit points decreased to 300.

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- patch 1.07
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- Adds support for Korean tournament (KBK).
- Fixes lag meters on join game screen.
- Changes default Battle.net font so that it is easier to distinguish
certain characters while in chat.
- Fixes German text for Brood War units which appeared as English on some systems
after upgrading to v1.06.

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- patch 1.06 - (Battle.net client patch)
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- Adds Battle.net support for Warcraft II: Battle.net Edition.
- Adds command completion to Battle.net chat. It can be accessed by pressing
the <tab> key.
- Fixes some minor battle.net issues.
- Displays cancel dialog in situations when server is busy.

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- patch 1.05
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- Reduced Academy cost to 150 minerals.

- Reduced Science Facility cost to 100 minerals, 150 gas.

- Reduced Spider Mine research cost to 100 minerals, 100 gas.

- Reduced the cooldown for units on unload from a transport.

- Added a limit so games can only be saved at most once every
two minutes during a multiplayer game.

- Fixed a bug that caused save game compatibility problems with 1.03 save
games loaded into 1.04 and Brood War.

- The 'something for nothing' cheat no longer gives Brood
War upgrades in normal Starcraft games.

- When using the 'exactly' modifier in trigger conditions, incomplete
units are no longer included in the comparision.

- Hallucinated devourers no longer leave acid spores on targeted units.

- Spider mines are now properly affected by disruption web.

- Neutral medics no longer auto-heal units.

- Added a wireframe for Infested Duran in a dropship.

- The low memory version of the disruption web art is now correct.

- Terran insane AI no longer locks the system.

- Fixed the bug that allowed terran buildings to move after landing.

- Fixed the bug that incorrectly allowed 'morph to lurker' commands
to be issued to units that weren't hydralisks.

- Miscellaneous minor bug fixes.

- (StarEdit) Eliminated dependence on updated comctrl32.dll

- (StarEdit) Now displays language based on installed version of Starcraft
rather than operating system setting

- (StarEdit) Fixed a bug in the Player Upgrades dialog that could cause settings
for one player to be inadvertently copied to another

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- patch 1.04
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- Custom AI has been strengthened, beware.

- Invincible Drone bug has been fixed.

- Starcraft compatibility with Brood War implemented.

- You can select all burrowed units of the same type or cloaked units of the
same type by using the Ctrl+select method or by double clicking.

- If you have multiple Carriers or Reavers selected you can build Interceptors
and Scarabs for all of them at the same time.

- Cooldown times of units being dropped out of transports corrected.

- Stim Pack causing Firebats to fire slowly corrected.

- Zergling adrenal gland upgrade effects corrected.

- Fixed a bug where the muzzle flash on a full fire bunker aiming south
displayed incorrectly.

- Air unit movement near the edge of the map corrected.

- The Ladder directory has been updated with the Season 4 ladder maps.
Retired ladder maps have been moved to the OldLadder directory.

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1.04 Changes to StarEdit (Map Editor)
============================================

- New save feature that identifies all 'enhanced' data in the scenario and
specifies which versions of Starcraft will be able to load the scenario.

- Addition of the comparing conditional 'exactly' for use in such triggers
as: ACCUMULATE, BRING, COMMAND, COUNTDOWN TIMER, DEATHS, ELAPSED TIME,
KILL, OPPONENTS, and SCORE.

- Increased number of Switches to 256.

- Increased number of usable locations to 254.

- Added the ability to specify 'Random' in the SET SWITCH trigger action.

- Added the ability to name switches.

- Added the ability to set Fog-of-War for multiple players simultaneously
by holding down Control or Shift.

- Added the ability to re-name any unit.

- New triggers:
a) ORDER UNIT (Move to, Patrol to, Attack to)
b) The ability to specify a quantity for the following actions:
CREATE UNIT, CREATE UNIT W/PROPERITIES,
MOVE UNIT, KILL UNITS AT LOCATION, REMOVE UNITS AT LOCATION.
c) PAUSE/UNPAUSE TIMER
d) MODIFY UNIT ENERGY
e) MODIFY HANGER COUNT
f) MODIFY UNIT HIT POINTS
g) GIVE UNITS TO PLAYER
h) MODIFY UNIT RESOURCES
I) MODIFY UNIT SHIELD POINTS
j) SET ALLIANCE STATUS
k) COMMENT TRIGGER
l) END IN DRAW
m) SET UNIT DEATHS

- You can now select locations obscured by other locations.

- Location operations are now undoable.

- You can now explicitly sort Conditions.

- You can remove all Map Revealers from a map (really!).

- The Unit and Hero Settings dialog has been enhanced.

A new StarEdit help file with info on these triggers and all the new
features in StarEdit can be downloaded from our web site (http://www.blizzard.com).

============================
1.04 Balance Changes
============================

TERRAN:
Wraith
- Decreased cost to 150 minerals, 100 gas.
- Increased cooldown rate of ground attack.
- Increased air to air damage to 20.

Dropship:
- Increased speed slightly.
- Although the patch.txt included with patch 1.04 states that dropship build time was increased, this is INCORRECT.

Science Vessel:
- Decreased cost to 100 minerals, 225 gas.
- Increased acceleration.
- Increased overall damage of Irradiate.
- Increased sight radius.

Battlecruiser:
- Increased its starting armor to 3.
- Increased Yamato Cannon damage to 260.

Goliath:
- Increased ground damage to 12.
- Increased effectivness of weapon upgrade on ground to air weapon system.

Nuke:
- Nuclear Missiles build faster.

ComSat:
- Decreased energy cost to 50.

Starport:
- Decrease cost of Starport to 150 minerals, 100 gas.
- Decreased add-on cost of Control Tower to 50 minerals, 50 gas.
- Decreased build time.

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PROTOSS:
Archon:
- Increased acceleration.

Dragoon:
- Decreased cost to 125 minerals, 50 gas.
- Decreased build time.
- Increased range upgrade (Singularity Charge) by 1.

High Templar:
- Decreased energy cost of Hallucination to 100.

Scout:
- Increased Air to Air damage to 28.
- Increased shields to 100 and hit points to 150.
- Increased cooldown rate of ground attack.

Carrier:
- Changed build cost to 350 minerals, and 250 gas.
- Increased hit points of Carrier to 300.
- Increased starting armor of Carrier to 4.
- Increased Interceptor shields and hitpoints to 40.
- Increased Interceptor damage to 6.

Arbiter:
- Decreased cost to 100 minerals, 350 gas.

Shuttle:
- Increased build time.

Reaver:
- Increased build time.

Templar Archives
- Increased cost to 150 minerals, 200 gas.

Citadel of Adun
- Decreased cost to 150 minerals, 100 gas.

Stargate:
- Decreased cost to 150 minerals, 150 gas.
- Decreased build time.

Robotics Facility:
- Increased build time.

Robotics Support Bay:
- Increased cost to 150 minerals, 100 gas.

Observatory:
- Decreased cost to 50 minerals, 100 gas.

Forge:
- Decreased cost to 150 minerals.

Photon Cannon:
- Decreased build time.

Fleet Beacon:
- Decreased cost of "Increased Carrier capacity" upgrade to 100 minerals, 100 gas.
- Decreased research time of "Increased Carrier capacity" upgrade.

Shield Battery:
- Increased starting energy to 100.
- Increased effective range of 'Recharge Shields'.

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ZERG:
Overlord:
- Increased speed bonus for "Pneumatized Carapace" upgrade.
- Decreased research time of "Ventral Sacs" upgrade.

Scourge:
- Increase hit points to 25.

Hydralisk
- Increased build time.

Mutalisk
- Although the patch.txt included with patch 1.04 states that Mutalisk build time was increased, this in INCORRECT.

Queen:
- Increased range of Broodling by 1.
- Increase energy cost of Parasite to 75
- Decreased Parasite casting range to 12.

Defiler:
- Increased cost to 50 minerals, 150 gas.

Hatchery:
- Decreased the speed at which the Hatchery/Lair/Hive spawn new larva.
- Decreased build cost to 300 minerals.
- Increased build time.

Sunken Colony:
- Decreased cost of Sunken Colony upgrade to 50 minerals.
- Decreased build time.
- Increased attack rate of Sunken Colony.
- Increased damage to 40.

Spore Colony:
- Decreased build time.
- Changed damage type to normal.

Greater Spire:
- Increased build time.

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- patch 1.03
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- Very long games using the Terran Insane AI will no longer lock up.

- Custom maps that use the "set next map" trigger will now work properly after
loading them from a saved game.

- The length of time you have to leave a game before it counts on your record
on battle.net has been reduced from 5 minutes to 2 minutes.

- New ladder maps have been added. The old ladder maps have been moved to
the OldLadder directory and downgraded to "Blizzard Approved" status.
The (8)Green Valleys.scm map has been promoted to "Ladder" status.

- Fixed bug where if Zerg burrowers burrowed just as they decloaked (when leaving
an Arbiter's field of influence) it would desync a network game.

- The MOVE UNIT trigger action now behaves correctly with add-ons. Buildings
with existing add-ons will detach from the add-on if either the building
or the add-on moves. Add-ons under construction will be cancelled.

- Buildings that are created with the CREATE UNIT trigger action or moved with
the MOVE UNIT trigger action will attempt to reattach to add-ons of the correct
type that are in the correct location.

- Preplaced carriers owned by the Neutral player slot that have an initial
hangar count greater than 0 will no longer crash the game.

- Executing a KILL UNIT trigger action immediately followed by a MOVE UNIT
trigger action will no longer result in a crash.

- Doodads are no longer affected by the MOVE UNIT trigger action.

- The mission countdown timer now has a maximum value of 9999 (h:m:s)

- Fixed bug that caused Elapsed Time to display incorrectly when finishing
a very short mission.

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- patch 1.02
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
- Flying units no longer receive 'cover' from terrain features.

- Fixed the bug when cancelling a guardian in high latency games that killed
the mutalisk and gave multiple refunds.

- Fixed the bug that could sometimes cause a map editor, hit point modified
siege tank's hit points to be incorrect after transforming.

- Time elapsed while the game is paused no longer counts toward total
elapsed game time.

- Increased the cost of a Zerg Hatchery from 300 to 350 minerals.

- Changed the damage type of the Photon Cannon weapon system from explosion
to normal.

- Preplaced heroes for the AI will now auto acquire targets and defend themselves.

- Fixed a bug that could potentially, in high latency games, over-charge zerg
players when morphing larva into units.

- Modified the 'Free For All' game type so that the rules of diplomacy apply
to computer players. (Computer players are no longer allied in FFA.) Also,
made FFA available for single player custom games.

- Fixed the crash that occurred when selecting a unit type, that would normally
have shields, configured to have 0 shields via the map editor.

- Fixed the bug that bumped people back to the race select screen after they
had completed a single player campaign mission.

- (Battle.net) Create game screen will now display ladder game speed as 'Fast'
instead of 'Faster'.

- (Battle.net) Profile draw code will now handle different sized destination
windows.

- Fixed 'attach to incomplete addon' crash bug.

- Added three new Computer AI scripts for use with the map editor (Protoss
Insane, Terran Insane, Zerg Insane) to be used in custom campaign levels.

- Fixed bug that played the incorrect 'complete' sound for addons.

- Fixed bug that prevented rescued tanks and goliaths from acquiring targets
correctly.

- Fixed bug that caused Starcraft to allocate unnecessary amounts of memory
while running minimized.

- Fixed bug that could cause maps with a large number of pre-placed units to
crash at load time.

- Fixed bug that, in rare cases, could cause game to crash when certain types of units died.

- Fixed bug that caused access violation when maps with unplaceable units were loaded.

- Fixed bug that caused access violation when any zerg air unit died while cloaked by an arbiter.

- (StarEdit) Fixed bug that prevented changes to Norad II Hero unit weapon damage fields

- (StarEdit) Mineral patches and geyser are now limited to 50,000.

- (StarEdit) Added exception handler.

- (StarEdit) Fixed bug that made it impossible to remove Map Revealers via a trigger.

- (StarEdit) Fixed bug that could cause triggers to 'disappear' on systems
using large fonts.

- (StarEdit) Fixed bug that allows powerups to be placed in invalid locations on
high terrain

- (StarInst) Fixed minor over-calculation of disk space used by saved games
for uninstall.

- (StarInst) Moved file pre-cache requests to the install scripts.

- (StarInst) Added support for multiple events per screen item without the
use of sub-scripts.

- (StarInst) Eliminated unnecessary screen refreshes.

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- patch 1.01
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
- Fixed cheat that allowed one player in a multiplayer game to see the map.

- Fixed bug that allowed players to receive extra resources when
canceling building construction multiple times by exploiting lag in a
multi-player game.

- Fixed pathing problem related crash bug that was most commonly
exhibited in Terran 10.

- Fixed C Runtime Library crash bug exhibited during saved games
when year was greater than 2098.

- Fixed sprite allocation errors that prevent normal combat and
creation of units.

- Fixed occasional hang when joining and leaving Battle.net.

- Enemy Science Vessels no longer continually unmask after
irradiating units.

- Missile turrets controlled by the AI properly acquire targets.

- Fixed blank game names in Battle.net game list.

- Game names with high ASCII characters now show up properly.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Show me sc2 patch.txt and look at how many times sc2 has been patched compared to bw . Also sc2 will not have its 1.08 because HOTS is coming out soon and the whole game need to be rebalance and patched up again for e-sport competitiveness.

Edit : From the bottom of my heart luckily bw wasn't vigorously patched up like WoL for every thing the community feels it's imbalance . Say for example " oMg Reapers, low league players can't handle it , Blizzards wave it's magic wand and removes the capability of Repears as harassment unit " . I can definitely understand the feeling of every unit that gets nerfed before it's full potential was ever realized . I mean the units is like okay Its my time to shine and than suddenly out of no where a ban hammers falls on him destroying his chances in the lime light. Blizzard that created bw was definitely special and now the current one I am not so sure.

Azure Sky

United States52 Posts

April 16 2012 16:03 GMT

#1853

On April 17 2012 00:57 gCgCrypto wrote:

Show nested quote +

:D

SC2 is still waiting for its Patch 1.08 (i hope you know what this was)

+ Show Spoiler +

Patch 1.08 was the last and most important Patch with significant Balance changes and it got Released
may 18, 2001,

Maybe that is the case but if I have the free time to watch VODs today I want them to be entertaining. Waiting for that type of balance patch, expansion, or metagame shift doesn't do anything to help me find Starcraft 2 more interesting to watch now.

gCgCrypto

Germany297 Posts

April 16 2012 16:09 GMT

#1854

I am not arguing against BW being the better game, what i am arguing for is that SC2 does not have to stay like it is now, i am hoping and beleving that it can be pushed to be a worthy replacement for BW but it wont get there by doing nothing and it wont get there by hardcore BW fans turning thair back on SC2 and kicking it in the face.

The shit SC2 gets from BW makes the newer SC2 fans hate BW and say things like SC2 being better then BW and most importantly oposing all proposals by the community which would make the game better but more like SC:BW.

I would love SC2 to be a better grafik BW but that aint happening.

Zergneedsfood

United States10671 Posts

April 16 2012 16:13 GMT

#1855

On April 16 2012 22:52 gCgCrypto wrote:
C´Mon Ppl. Why all the hate for sc2? do you think you are the only ones who liked BW? I played BW since i was 6 Years old as it got released! It has been part of my Life for 11 Years and i still play it although i play SC2 mainly.
I and most other SC2 Players who ever tried BW defend it and allways speak of it in the highest honor.

I personally think SC2 is not living up to BW currently and it is a stupid misstake by Blizzard to not use thair knowledge and success of BW to make SC2 a better game faster but SC2 is becoming better then BW did after it got released. It is improving at a way faster Rate!

And everything spoilerd about HotS actually gives me hope in addition to the whole 6M1HYG movement.

To why we SC2 players want the SC:BW pros to play SC2?
We also once played BW or watched it (or atleast heared of the A pros)
And it is stupid to beleve BW will stay forever.
Instead of crying after BW i decided to swich with SC2 release and help SC2 get better as good as a single community member can!
I think that the BW pros might guide SC2 into the right direction and i am certain that SC2 could live up to BW if Blizzard is willing to listen to us community and take the right steppes (6M1HYG for example)

ANd now shut the fight, burry SC:BW in honor together with us SC2 players who also knew BW
and welcome our both favorite players to SC2, give them your support and give SC2 another Chance.

If you don´t like it how it is FIGHT TO MAKE IT BETTER! because IT WILL REPLACE BW, OR GET REPLACED BY LOL!

RIP BW and thank you for my awesome childhood, and please Jeadong, Flash and Bisu, join us in SC2 and make it great! because it was never Blizzard who made SC:BW what it is now, it was them and you BW fans, now we need to do the same for SC2!

Crypto

I like how you only mention Jaedong, Flash, Bisu, as if those are the only pros you actually know. lol There are so many SC2 players that are so ignorant of BW it's not even funny.

All I can remember now, is that one episode of State of the Game, where Day[9] and Nony and a bunch of other BW veterans just went on for an thirty minutes (or even more) about how great BW. There was no other time where someone was that enthusiastic about SC2. There's a total different in magnitude and emotion.

You also imply that SC2 currently sucks dick with this "give it time" proposal.

On April 16 2012 23:04 NMxSardines wrote:
I don't like how people just simply hate on the one of the best video games of all time, that is Starcraft 2, - there is simply no other multiplayer competitive game to come out in recent years that can measure up to it, in my opinion. People just simply say that Starcraft 2 is worse without stating why because of their obvious bias towards Brood War - without even giving Starcraft 2 some time to prove itself while Brood War has lasted through an expansion pack and a whole decade.

And yes, Brood War will always remain a novelty - there is NOTHING you can do about it and it is NOT Blizzard's fault. Starcraft 2 is a SEQUEL, deal with it.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. You're funny.

You do know that it was SC2 fans who came in and posted dumb provocative shit?

Also, why is it so hard to watch as our beloved progamers go to an inferior game? Is that anything but a rhetorical question?

On April 17 2012 01:09 gCgCrypto wrote:
I am not arguing against BW being the better game, what i am arguing for is that SC2 does not have to stay like it is now, i am hoping and beleving that it can be pushed to be a worthy replacement for BW but it wont get there by doing nothing and it wont get there by hardcore BW fans turning thair back on SC2 and kicking it in the face.

The shit SC2 gets from BW makes the newer SC2 fans hate BW and say things like SC2 being better then BW and most importantly oposing all proposals by the community which would make the game better but more like SC:BW.

I would love SC2 to be a better grafik BW but that aint happening.

How are we kicking it in the face? We just don't want BW to go.

Like I said, fuck this expanding e-sports and expanding Starcraft 2 bullshit. We don't bash SC2 unless we're warranted by dumb people who come in here and start flaming things up. Half the time we're really open to people who want to give BW a try instead of coming in here and saying one of the following:

1. Bisu, Jaedong, Flash, do what you did with BW in SC2! It'll be great!

2. This is about e-sports guys.

3. BW was gonna die anyway. I loved it, because I know Boxer, Flash, Bisu, and Jaedong, so let's all become one and trek into the unknown future. Do not fret BW fans, though BW is lying limp with a spear impaled in its forehead, I am sure that SC2 will offer you all the comfort in the world.

Yeah, fuck that shit.

Sawamura

Malaysia7602 Posts

April 16 2012 16:16 GMT

#1856

On April 17 2012 01:00 jtp118 wrote:
to all of the old BW fans complaining about the end of BW ... my initial interest in esports was Halo, and Halo:CE (i.e., Halo 1) is thought of much as BW is thought of among Starcraft fans. the pinnacle of the series, the best console FPS of all time, etc.

do you want to know how much time Halo:CE had in the pro tournament scene? barely more than two years. the fact that you've had pro BW for 11 EFFING YEARS and are complaining about it finally going away; stop acting so entitled. you are incredibly, incredibly lucky that BW was so popular in South Korea for so long

My initial interest was counter strike 1.6 an cs source and it lasted longer than Halo:CE pro tournament scene

. Definitely I am entitled because I was a fan of those game when it originally came out and spend most of my time fragging people in the cybercafe I used to haunt when I was in high school . So don't tell me I am lucky because for me what you have to thank is the original esport and the amazing people who created this game .

There were no complex graphics available at that time, cs provided adrenaline pumping action for the price of RM 2 back than for one hour of game play and you could just join any map to play with your friends . Broodwar was the same I used to hang out with my buddies for lan and have a drink with them after a game .

So sorry to hear that CE was killed of in just two years man , I understand the pain.

phrase

United States37 Posts

April 16 2012 16:17 GMT

#1857

On April 17 2012 00:45 I_are_n00b wrote:
I don't get how SC2 fans can't feel any empathy when it comes to BW and SC2 so they deem everything we say to be elitism. No guys, you know how you guys feel about LoL taking over SC2? That's how we feel about SC2 taking over BW... To many SC2 players LoL is not complex enough, not an RTS etc etc... and they complain about how it's made for mass appeal, it's free etc... You guys need to understand the "better graphics" argument is to us, shallow mass appeal.

The other common argument, that SC2 has taken off way faster than when the original Starcraft. Guys, this is idiotic. When BW came out there was no such thing as professional gaming. Yeah maybe there were tournaments, but there was no such thing as 2 (and at one point 3) cable channels dedicated to a game, and people on SALARY as opposed to living off of tournament winnings.

What's wrong with SC2? To me, the game's not deep enough, the counters aren't hard enough. I don't want to see a War3 type strategy where the guy mixes in some stuff to slightly bend the battle to his favor. I want to see a battle take longer than a few seconds. Whenever I watch a good BW game, it's like a 30 minute continuous battle where it's back and forth. Whenever my friends make me watch an "epic" SC2 series, it's like 10 battles where the two players take turns wiping out the other in seconds. That's not epic...

Maybe if there were not RTS's around, then yes it'd be the best thing I've ever seen, but BW already exists and offers something better. Why would I support a step down in ESports just because it's newer? I want to emphasize that if BW didn't exist, SC2 would probably be amazing. This explains the draw of people who never followed pro BW... but after years of watching televised BW, SC2 is (as of right now) a step down. Maybe HoTS will correct things, who knows, but for now why would I support a downgrade?

Wow. Well said...

Zergneedsfood

United States10671 Posts

April 16 2012 16:19 GMT

#1858

On April 17 2012 01:16 Sawamura wrote:

Show nested quote +

My initial interest was counter strike 1.6 an cs source and it lasted longer than Halo:CE pro tournament scene

Probably didn't need to reply to him. It just sounded like SC2 tears to me.

Guys, you had your fun! Let me play now! Waaaahhhhhh. 11 years is enough right? I want the computer now.

Reminds me of my brother when we used to play BW on one computer. We would play against the computer, except I would hog it half the time and he wouldn't get to play. It was the best feeling.