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Estonia4504 Posts
On April 06 2012 13:27 Ribbon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2012 11:12 Chef wrote:On April 06 2012 11:03 RageCommodore wrote:On April 06 2012 10:55 RJGooner wrote:This is horrible  (. I guess it's not the worst thing ever because there's still some BW but what happens the year after or the year after that? Community efforts. I understand why everybody is sad to see this happening, but while BW's professional future in Korea is in a stage where we don't know what will happen, we surely know that the game will live on as long as there is a dedicated community. It would be very sad if everybody just went away with the end of Korean Starcraft. I've just joined this scene a short time ago, and I don't want to see it vanish. After all, I won't give up all hope until everything is official. . But there are definitely going to be people who after seeing BW played at its highest level aren't going to be interested in amateurs We call those people "fair-weather fans".
I would reconsider that statement if I were you. We're talking about a significant alteration in the quality of the scene, and years and years of following teams and players suddenly disappear. If these people would be interested in following the foreigner scene, they would do so, but for some reason they don't.
I can easily see this as making a clean break from this time-consuming hobby of waking up early and watching games, because nothing will be the same after Korean BW is gone, for me at least. Maybe I'll even join the ranks of them, but that's something I have to decide once it actually happens. But calling me a fair-weather fan if I decide to do so? I'd find that insulting.
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On April 06 2012 05:26 rotinegg wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2012 05:23 e_i_pi_1_0 wrote:
Thanks rotinegg.
I really don't know what to think about this to be honest. yea me neither... part of me squirms at the thought of watching SC2 over BW just cuz all my favorite players are playing it but if that's how it's gonna be so be it I guess..
Well I'd rather see the players I grew up watching dominate the fuck out of SC2 than them retiring or strictly BW in a shrinking scene to be honest.
Though it would be a shame to see the mechanics they spent years developing being mostly irrelevant.
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On April 06 2012 09:21 Ribbon wrote:
So, Jaedong confirmed by T8 captain to be switching to SC2?
That's....ugh.
That doesn't even make strategic sense. You have 6 players good at BW and 3 who are less good. If you think there's going to be a switch, have the B-team switch, since you're starting from scratch anyway. Most of the other BW teams are allegedly just going to poach SC2 players off the SC2 teams. Even if they don't, they're going to have a full time SC2 division and a full time BW division. Even Jaedong, if he half-and-halfs it, is going to get smashed by people like Soulkey in BW and...I dunno, Maru, in SC2. It's silly.
Who cares about the "strategic" sense? Never thought about that Jaedong maybe wants to make the switch to sc2? And I doubt he is the only one that wants to make the full switch now, so who has the right to actually decide which player in each teams that gets to play sc2 and not? I can't see any team forcing someone to play BW only as a strategic choice against his will.
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On April 06 2012 11:23 Kyuukyuu wrote:
i am so excited to see michael jordan play minor league baseball
Quoting dis forever
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JD finally making the switch?
...Mother of God O___O
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Makes sense to do that in the end. I love broodwar to death but as things were bw pl was not having a good time. And it gives alot more exposure to sc2, shoving it down rts fans's troath might get them some more love in korea, the targeted ausience is the same.
i guess some bw is better than no bw...
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On April 06 2012 09:26 supernovamaniac wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2012 09:21 Ribbon wrote:So, Jaedong confirmed by T8 captain to be switching to SC2? That's....ugh. That doesn't even make strategic sense. You have 6 players good at BW and 3 who are less good. If you think there's going to be a switch, have the B-team switch, since you're starting from scratch anyway. Most of the other BW teams are allegedly just going to poach SC2 players off the SC2 teams. Even if they don't, they're going to have a full time SC2 division and a full time BW division. Even Jaedong, if he half-and-halfs it, is going to get smashed by people like Soulkey in BW and...I dunno, Maru, in SC2. It's silly. I guess if we're looking for good news, Coach Ju technically works for KeSPA, and he's publically against ending BW, so maybe this weird half-and-half isn't a transition to anything, but just kind of the new status quo? BW is going to live on in this weird-ass state? Or maybe I'm right, and they're trying to sell BW to SC2 fans instead of the other way around, so that it can eventually return to it's own league all by itself supported by a foreign fanbase. On April 06 2012 06:04 Morfildur wrote:On April 06 2012 05:35 eviltomahawk wrote:On April 06 2012 05:22 danl9rm wrote:
I don't know what to say except WOWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
Thanks rotin!
edit: Jaedong first SC2 BONJWA please. No. Flash first SC2 bonjwa, as foretold by the elder scrolls. Really interesting interview. The elephant is certainly going to make its presence known in the near future. However, I really am worried about weaker, smaller teams like Team 8 or Ace when the switch to SC2/BW comes. They already struggled as is in the pure BW Proleague, and I'm afraid that they will be even weaker in a hybrid format where the rest of the teams can afford to have many more B-teamers and practice partners to help in their transition. Perhaps the reason Ace pulled out of OSL to practice Proleague was to help their SC2 transition... And interesting to hear that a lot of high-masters on KR server are BW progamers. Makes me wonder whenever I'm watching a pro Korean stream if their opponent is secretly Flash or Jaedong in disguise. Certainly an interesting thought. And I'm surprised to hear the coach speak rather positively, but cautiously, of SC2. There are certainly very interesting times ahead. I would assume that those smaller teams will start a cooperation with existing SC2 teams to fill the holes in their lineup. I would even go so far to say that most BW teams will initially team up with current SC2 teams to benefit from the experience of existing SC2 pros and offering the raw talent of BW pros for practice in return. oGs-TL-KT incoming :p The SC2 teams and KeSPA seem not to get along. The SC2 teams even formed a club to protect them from KeSPA I'll take a bite at this though. It seems like they mentioned that they're going to have a joint league between two games (which I'm still uncomfortable with), yet they never specified HOW it's going to work out. Like I said in the past, you will never know if the players will be forced to play both games or be placed in a game where they're more comfortable in. And speaking realistically, I'm pretty sure some BW players wanted to switch yet they haven't done so because of the Korean SC2 "Team" Houses in Korea. Their facility, sponsorship, and salary is almost nothing compared to what current BW players have.
My best guess is a player will pick ONE GAME and each team will have a BW squad and a SC2 squad. This makes the most sense competitively.
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I dunno, SCII BW would be awesome to be seen.
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On April 06 2012 10:34 Milkis wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2012 09:26 supernovamaniac wrote:On April 06 2012 09:21 Ribbon wrote:So, Jaedong confirmed by T8 captain to be switching to SC2? That's....ugh. That doesn't even make strategic sense. You have 6 players good at BW and 3 who are less good. If you think there's going to be a switch, have the B-team switch, since you're starting from scratch anyway. Most of the other BW teams are allegedly just going to poach SC2 players off the SC2 teams. Even if they don't, they're going to have a full time SC2 division and a full time BW division. Even Jaedong, if he half-and-halfs it, is going to get smashed by people like Soulkey in BW and...I dunno, Maru, in SC2. It's silly. I guess if we're looking for good news, Coach Ju technically works for KeSPA, and he's publically against ending BW, so maybe this weird half-and-half isn't a transition to anything, but just kind of the new status quo? BW is going to live on in this weird-ass state? Or maybe I'm right, and they're trying to sell BW to SC2 fans instead of the other way around, so that it can eventually return to it's own league all by itself supported by a foreign fanbase. On April 06 2012 06:04 Morfildur wrote:On April 06 2012 05:35 eviltomahawk wrote:On April 06 2012 05:22 danl9rm wrote:
I don't know what to say except WOWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
Thanks rotin!
edit: Jaedong first SC2 BONJWA please. No. Flash first SC2 bonjwa, as foretold by the elder scrolls. Really interesting interview. The elephant is certainly going to make its presence known in the near future. However, I really am worried about weaker, smaller teams like Team 8 or Ace when the switch to SC2/BW comes. They already struggled as is in the pure BW Proleague, and I'm afraid that they will be even weaker in a hybrid format where the rest of the teams can afford to have many more B-teamers and practice partners to help in their transition. Perhaps the reason Ace pulled out of OSL to practice Proleague was to help their SC2 transition... And interesting to hear that a lot of high-masters on KR server are BW progamers. Makes me wonder whenever I'm watching a pro Korean stream if their opponent is secretly Flash or Jaedong in disguise. Certainly an interesting thought. And I'm surprised to hear the coach speak rather positively, but cautiously, of SC2. There are certainly very interesting times ahead. I would assume that those smaller teams will start a cooperation with existing SC2 teams to fill the holes in their lineup. I would even go so far to say that most BW teams will initially team up with current SC2 teams to benefit from the experience of existing SC2 pros and offering the raw talent of BW pros for practice in return. oGs-TL-KT incoming :p The SC2 teams and KeSPA seem not to get along. The SC2 teams even formed a club to protect them from KeSPA I'll take a bite at this though. It seems like they mentioned that they're going to have a joint league between two games (which I'm still uncomfortable with), yet they never specified HOW it's going to work out. Like I said in the past, you will never know if the players will be forced to play both games or be placed in a game where they're more comfortable in. And speaking realistically, I'm pretty sure some BW players wanted to switch yet they haven't done so because of the Korean SC2 "Team" Houses in Korea. Their facility, sponsorship, and salary is almost nothing compared to what current BW players have. Of course they hate each other. GOM hates KeSPA because they believe KeSPA teams boycotted and killed the GOM TV classics. KeSPA hates GOM because of the entire IP rights fiasco, and the fact that GOM has been "bullying" KeSPA over the rights (first for BW, then for SC2) for some time. There also seems to be other reasons of why KeSPA dislikes GOM, but I have no way of verifying some of these claims so I won't bother mentioning them. But yeah right now literally everything rests on Blizzard and how they decide to handle it. KeSPA/OGN/Blizzard are working very closely together.
Lets just hope for the best!
Korea can be one happy family and have both dual individual leagues and dual team leagues without schedule conflicts. That way players and teams can participate in both!
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konadora
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On April 06 2012 09:28 masterbreti wrote:
I don't think many people know that Kespa has actively prevented foreigners from seeing pro bw players beyond kespa organized leagues. Going far enough to banning players who played sc2 on the big stage who were still kespa players (NaDa anyone?) Kespa wants a iron grip on esports in Korea, thats why they do progamer licenses and such. If you don't get a license you don't play, simple as that.
Which means if they do something similar to courage, it'll be tougher than code B to get into. Which will make almost no foreigner ever come close to Korea, and Koreans won't have time to particpate in other leagues anyways because of the shechuale that kespa and gom will have. You'll have PL, OSL, GSL all in Korea. Koreans will take those leagues over any foreign tournaments any day. Which means Koreans travelling outside Korea will be almost nil.
Nevermind the fact that if they were to even try to get koreans to particpate in leagues outside Korea, they would have to get kespa's approval, and that comes with having to pay big fees to kespa.
Kespa's staff 90% of the time is unresponsive or just don't care. They don't care about outside Korea, they never do, and never will. Its just Kespa's nature, their board of directors are all sponsors, and the sponsors are mostly Korean exclusive companies, so they don't care about leagues outside Korea. Which means teams like SKT or KT, won't send their players outside Korea, because they don't need the exposure outside Korea.
I think you're assuming this all off how you've felt about KeSPA these few years, with some of the dumb things they've done. I too felt the same but let me tell you that this is absurd.
You say that KeSPA has actively prevented foreigners from seeing pro bw players beyond KeSPA organised league, but I don't think that was the reason behind banning ex-bw players who moved on to SC2. The reason for the ban was to tell Blizzard to tell them in their face that KeSPA is still the one that controls ESPORTS in Korea and that in Korea, Blizzard or any other company has to go through them. Why else do you think Blizzard, after all those retarded lawsuits and bitching is finally co-operating with KeSPA once more? Hell, they could have continued to stick with GOM. But you know what, GOM (no offense) is terrible. It's a "TV" (lol joke) but its reach is next to none, people in Korea won't give a fuck until it's officially recognised and promoted. Look at SC2, then look at LoL. Riot Games actively sought to seek cooperation with KeSPA, and with LoL as an official game in Korea, it's being heavily promoted, not by plastering streets with banners that annoying the shit out of everyone, but having people (Kim Carry, Kong) and media (DES, Fomos, OGN) promote it. How were they able to do it? Because of KeSPA's backing. Blizzard tried to do their own way, and now you see Mike trying to suck up back to KeSPA and the Korean fans because they know SC2 is close to doomed in Korea right now. For any game to get big, it HAS to go through KeSPA; KeSPA knows that and that's why they're so keen on keeping a tight leash around the progaming scene. Nothing to do with putting down the interest of foreign fans. And as a business (yes KeSPA is still a business management, people forget that), it's a necessary step.
For your point about KeSPA not sending players out of Korea, well that's because of all their games, there are none (except for LoL maybe?) that have foreign tournaments? Look at the games. Kart Rider, Brood War, Sudden Attack, Special Force... yeah I'm sure there are foreign tournaments for those, right? IF SC2 gets the KeSPA stamp of approval, who knows what may happen. We've seen BW being attempted to be held in Shanghai, BW progamers going overseas (Blizzcon, IESF, etc etc) and such, and I for sure as hell know that none of them paid "big fees" to KeSPA.
KeSPA's staff are unresponsive and they don't care outside Korea? You are wrong there. KeSPA is actually very interested in the foreign fanbase, just that they have not had any methods or media to get to them. Well they did recently set up the ESPORTSTV channel on youtube, which was really good imo. Fast uploads, good quality, no country region block. There are some stuff that I can't say, but KeSPA is more than willing to cooperate with foreign organisations and communities to developing ESPORTS in and out of Korea and maintaining or even increasing the fanbase. It is thanks to KeSPA that TL has managed to get 30 special priority tickets to the grand finals this sunday, and that was on a last-minute basis. They didn't know that so many foreigners were interested, and they were the ones who offered the priority tickets in the first place. They responded immediately with sincerity and interest, and everyone in KeSPA from the referees to the general manager are interested in both the local and foreign fanbase, I can vouch for that. They are listening and tolerating all the shit that stargal and other communities throw at them, but in the end, they are a business model, so they are just trying to balance out how to manage the business well while keeping the interest going, with the fanbase in mind.
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On April 06 2012 14:41 onedayclose wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2012 09:26 supernovamaniac wrote:On April 06 2012 09:21 Ribbon wrote:So, Jaedong confirmed by T8 captain to be switching to SC2? That's....ugh. That doesn't even make strategic sense. You have 6 players good at BW and 3 who are less good. If you think there's going to be a switch, have the B-team switch, since you're starting from scratch anyway. Most of the other BW teams are allegedly just going to poach SC2 players off the SC2 teams. Even if they don't, they're going to have a full time SC2 division and a full time BW division. Even Jaedong, if he half-and-halfs it, is going to get smashed by people like Soulkey in BW and...I dunno, Maru, in SC2. It's silly. I guess if we're looking for good news, Coach Ju technically works for KeSPA, and he's publically against ending BW, so maybe this weird half-and-half isn't a transition to anything, but just kind of the new status quo? BW is going to live on in this weird-ass state? Or maybe I'm right, and they're trying to sell BW to SC2 fans instead of the other way around, so that it can eventually return to it's own league all by itself supported by a foreign fanbase. On April 06 2012 06:04 Morfildur wrote:On April 06 2012 05:35 eviltomahawk wrote:On April 06 2012 05:22 danl9rm wrote:
I don't know what to say except WOWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
Thanks rotin!
edit: Jaedong first SC2 BONJWA please. No. Flash first SC2 bonjwa, as foretold by the elder scrolls. Really interesting interview. The elephant is certainly going to make its presence known in the near future. However, I really am worried about weaker, smaller teams like Team 8 or Ace when the switch to SC2/BW comes. They already struggled as is in the pure BW Proleague, and I'm afraid that they will be even weaker in a hybrid format where the rest of the teams can afford to have many more B-teamers and practice partners to help in their transition. Perhaps the reason Ace pulled out of OSL to practice Proleague was to help their SC2 transition... And interesting to hear that a lot of high-masters on KR server are BW progamers. Makes me wonder whenever I'm watching a pro Korean stream if their opponent is secretly Flash or Jaedong in disguise. Certainly an interesting thought. And I'm surprised to hear the coach speak rather positively, but cautiously, of SC2. There are certainly very interesting times ahead. I would assume that those smaller teams will start a cooperation with existing SC2 teams to fill the holes in their lineup. I would even go so far to say that most BW teams will initially team up with current SC2 teams to benefit from the experience of existing SC2 pros and offering the raw talent of BW pros for practice in return. oGs-TL-KT incoming :p The SC2 teams and KeSPA seem not to get along. The SC2 teams even formed a club to protect them from KeSPA I'll take a bite at this though. It seems like they mentioned that they're going to have a joint league between two games (which I'm still uncomfortable with), yet they never specified HOW it's going to work out. Like I said in the past, you will never know if the players will be forced to play both games or be placed in a game where they're more comfortable in. And speaking realistically, I'm pretty sure some BW players wanted to switch yet they haven't done so because of the Korean SC2 "Team" Houses in Korea. Their facility, sponsorship, and salary is almost nothing compared to what current BW players have. My best guess is a player will pick ONE GAME and each team will have a BW squad and a SC2 squad. This makes the most sense competitively.
It would make sense, and I expect some teams to do this.
However, there might be a few teams that may instead opt to use their BW rosters, if this guy is correct:
On March 25 2012 18:48 acrylicjoker wrote:
YEEESSSS. HOEJJA, THE GREATEST KT CLUTCH.
I was there for the game, albeit on khan side. Still got to watch an amazing series.
I talked to Hoejja after the game in the fan meet, he said that the players are pretty much sure that sc2 will go into rotation in the proleague. They say that they will field their own bw roster during the sc2 games if it does happen. Regardless of all this, kt and hoejja fightinguuuu
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On April 06 2012 14:41 onedayclose wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2012 09:26 supernovamaniac wrote:On April 06 2012 09:21 Ribbon wrote:So, Jaedong confirmed by T8 captain to be switching to SC2? That's....ugh. That doesn't even make strategic sense. You have 6 players good at BW and 3 who are less good. If you think there's going to be a switch, have the B-team switch, since you're starting from scratch anyway. Most of the other BW teams are allegedly just going to poach SC2 players off the SC2 teams. Even if they don't, they're going to have a full time SC2 division and a full time BW division. Even Jaedong, if he half-and-halfs it, is going to get smashed by people like Soulkey in BW and...I dunno, Maru, in SC2. It's silly. I guess if we're looking for good news, Coach Ju technically works for KeSPA, and he's publically against ending BW, so maybe this weird half-and-half isn't a transition to anything, but just kind of the new status quo? BW is going to live on in this weird-ass state? Or maybe I'm right, and they're trying to sell BW to SC2 fans instead of the other way around, so that it can eventually return to it's own league all by itself supported by a foreign fanbase. On April 06 2012 06:04 Morfildur wrote:On April 06 2012 05:35 eviltomahawk wrote:On April 06 2012 05:22 danl9rm wrote:
I don't know what to say except WOWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
Thanks rotin!
edit: Jaedong first SC2 BONJWA please. No. Flash first SC2 bonjwa, as foretold by the elder scrolls. Really interesting interview. The elephant is certainly going to make its presence known in the near future. However, I really am worried about weaker, smaller teams like Team 8 or Ace when the switch to SC2/BW comes. They already struggled as is in the pure BW Proleague, and I'm afraid that they will be even weaker in a hybrid format where the rest of the teams can afford to have many more B-teamers and practice partners to help in their transition. Perhaps the reason Ace pulled out of OSL to practice Proleague was to help their SC2 transition... And interesting to hear that a lot of high-masters on KR server are BW progamers. Makes me wonder whenever I'm watching a pro Korean stream if their opponent is secretly Flash or Jaedong in disguise. Certainly an interesting thought. And I'm surprised to hear the coach speak rather positively, but cautiously, of SC2. There are certainly very interesting times ahead. I would assume that those smaller teams will start a cooperation with existing SC2 teams to fill the holes in their lineup. I would even go so far to say that most BW teams will initially team up with current SC2 teams to benefit from the experience of existing SC2 pros and offering the raw talent of BW pros for practice in return. oGs-TL-KT incoming :p The SC2 teams and KeSPA seem not to get along. The SC2 teams even formed a club to protect them from KeSPA I'll take a bite at this though. It seems like they mentioned that they're going to have a joint league between two games (which I'm still uncomfortable with), yet they never specified HOW it's going to work out. Like I said in the past, you will never know if the players will be forced to play both games or be placed in a game where they're more comfortable in. And speaking realistically, I'm pretty sure some BW players wanted to switch yet they haven't done so because of the Korean SC2 "Team" Houses in Korea. Their facility, sponsorship, and salary is almost nothing compared to what current BW players have. My best guess is a player will pick ONE GAME and each team will have a BW squad and a SC2 squad. This makes the most sense competitively.
indeed
other ideas just sound silly to me
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I think sc2 would be fun if current pro players play it.
I personally would watch sc2 games played by current SC1 players because:
1. Familiar players playing the game.
2. Very interested to see top ten active SC1 players playing SC2
3. Capable and professional casters are going to cast it. (I personally couldn't stand amateurish castings that is plaguing current GOM SC2)
4. I want to see players like Bisu, Stork, Jaedong and Flash raping SC2 players left and right.
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my biggest concern is that SC2 is so much easier for the pros to play than BW, that awesome gosu players wont be as much dominant as in BW, and they'll wont be able to show all of their skills because of adjustable hotkeys, easier mechanics etc..
the skill gap between gosu and medium players will be significantly smaller.. which makes me kinda sad ;(
I thought the transition is going to take more time than this..
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On April 06 2012 14:52 konadora wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2012 09:28 masterbreti wrote:
I don't think many people know that Kespa has actively prevented foreigners from seeing pro bw players beyond kespa organized leagues. Going far enough to banning players who played sc2 on the big stage who were still kespa players (NaDa anyone?) Kespa wants a iron grip on esports in Korea, thats why they do progamer licenses and such. If you don't get a license you don't play, simple as that.
Which means if they do something similar to courage, it'll be tougher than code B to get into. Which will make almost no foreigner ever come close to Korea, and Koreans won't have time to particpate in other leagues anyways because of the shechuale that kespa and gom will have. You'll have PL, OSL, GSL all in Korea. Koreans will take those leagues over any foreign tournaments any day. Which means Koreans travelling outside Korea will be almost nil.
Nevermind the fact that if they were to even try to get koreans to particpate in leagues outside Korea, they would have to get kespa's approval, and that comes with having to pay big fees to kespa.
Kespa's staff 90% of the time is unresponsive or just don't care. They don't care about outside Korea, they never do, and never will. Its just Kespa's nature, their board of directors are all sponsors, and the sponsors are mostly Korean exclusive companies, so they don't care about leagues outside Korea. Which means teams like SKT or KT, won't send their players outside Korea, because they don't need the exposure outside Korea. I think you're assuming this all off how you've felt about KeSPA these few years, with some of the dumb things they've done. I too felt the same but let me tell you that this is absurd. You say that KeSPA has actively prevented foreigners from seeing pro bw players beyond KeSPA organised league, but I don't think that was the reason behind banning ex-bw players who moved on to SC2. The reason for the ban was to tell Blizzard to tell them in their face that KeSPA is still the one that controls ESPORTS in Korea and that in Korea, Blizzard or any other company has to go through them. Why else do you think Blizzard, after all those retarded lawsuits and bitching is finally co-operating with KeSPA once more? Hell, they could have continued to stick with GOM. But you know what, GOM (no offense) is terrible. It's a "TV" (lol joke) but its reach is next to none, people in Korea won't give a fuck until it's officially recognised and promoted. Look at SC2, then look at LoL. Riot Games actively sought to seek cooperation with KeSPA, and with LoL as an official game in Korea, it's being heavily promoted, not by plastering streets with banners that annoying the shit out of everyone, but having people (Kim Carry, Kong) and media (DES, Fomos, OGN) promote it. How were they able to do it? Because of KeSPA's backing. Blizzard tried to do their own way, and now you see Mike trying to suck up back to KeSPA and the Korean fans because they know SC2 is close to doomed in Korea right now. For any game to get big, it HAS to go through KeSPA; KeSPA knows that and that's why they're so keen on keeping a tight leash around the progaming scene. Nothing to do with putting down the interest of foreign fans. And as a business (yes KeSPA is still a business management, people forget that), it's a necessary step. For your point about KeSPA not sending players out of Korea, well that's because of all their games, there are none (except for LoL maybe?) that have foreign tournaments? Look at the games. Kart Rider, Brood War, Sudden Attack, Special Force... yeah I'm sure there are foreign tournaments for those, right? IF SC2 gets the KeSPA stamp of approval, who knows what may happen. We've seen BW being attempted to be held in Shanghai, BW progamers going overseas (Blizzcon, IESF, etc etc) and such, and I for sure as hell know that none of them paid "big fees" to KeSPA. KeSPA's staff are unresponsive and they don't care outside Korea? You are wrong there. KeSPA is actually very interested in the foreign fanbase, just that they have not had any methods or media to get to them. Well they did recently set up the ESPORTSTV channel on youtube, which was really good imo. Fast uploads, good quality, no country region block. There are some stuff that I can't say, but KeSPA is more than willing to cooperate with foreign organisations and communities to developing ESPORTS in and out of Korea and maintaining or even increasing the fanbase. It is thanks to KeSPA that TL has managed to get 30 special priority tickets to the grand finals this sunday, and that was on a last-minute basis. They didn't know that so many foreigners were interested, and they were the ones who offered the priority tickets in the first place. They responded immediately with sincerity and interest, and everyone in KeSPA from the referees to the general manager are interested in both the local and foreign fanbase, I can vouch for that. They are listening and tolerating all the shit that stargal and other communities throw at them, but in the end, they are a business model, so they are just trying to balance out how to manage the business well while keeping the interest going, with the fanbase in mind.
I understand what you are saying. But here I am looking at it from a sc2 players prospective, after all, thats what I am doing in Korea. Plus when I contacted KeSPA a long time ago. I had spoken to them about producing englsih content for foreigners. You know what happen? They sent me 3-4 e-mails then never once responded back to me to this day. That was a year ago. They said they were interested. I even spoke to the CJ entus' marketing manager who said he would try to push KeSPA to act on it. They didn't do anything. So I gave up and decided that I had better things to do. They may be interested in giving away tickets. but not in doing much more than that.
As well For me Kespa means the end of my time in Korea, and for many foreigners it is the same thing.
How many leagues are going to have to either change their dates for kespa, cause I sure as hell know that kespa won't change shit for foreign tournament organizers.
The ONLY reason Kespa let their players go was because it was Blizzard, if it was anyone else, Kespa would say no dice. with the exception being WCG. Look at the LoL league. Since this tournament, you have not really seen any of the LoL teams in Korea play outside Korea. with the exception being IPL4
I'm not worried about OGN, I want OGN to broadcast sc2, its KeSPA that I'm worried about. To be honest, I'm more worried about the whole licsense process in Korea. How the hell are they going to determine who gets one and who doesn't. No foreigners will get one because they won't be on Korean teams. That means all foreigners here are basically left out in the dark. We'll have no way to particpate in these leagues, and kespa will impose stricter rules on where their players can go. Meaning that Koreans going to a MLG event every month isn't going to happen. With IPL,MLG, IEM, and a pleortha of other random events, is it really a wonder why Koreans are leaving Korea. They know that once kespa gets involved, its either with them or against them. You know how strict Kespa is regarding this. No foreigner is going to leave a decent salary to play for a Korean team that gives them almost no pay and almost no play-time, Just so they can train hard for events they might never be able to go to.
Everyone where I live is worried about this possible outcome. Every progamer here is. IF kespa were to play fair and would host OSL and PL without time conflicts with other tournaments. They would only be airing 2 days a week. I mean think of how many big sc2 events are this weekend, 4-5 maybe more. With at least one big events happening every week. There won't be time to introduce more into Korea.
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Wow thank you so much insight
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On March 24 2012 05:33 dsousa wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 05:31 RJGooner wrote:
This is a horrible idea. Don't mix two different games with two different sets of fans. One big happy family. Group hug?
*hugs*
This is a terrible idea though. I will be so disorganized T_T
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I would love to see jaedong playing SCII , and this will make korean BW fans, eventually start playing SCII as well, since it hasnt been the case untill now .
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On April 06 2012 13:27 Ribbon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2012 11:12 Chef wrote:On April 06 2012 11:03 RageCommodore wrote:On April 06 2012 10:55 RJGooner wrote:This is horrible (. I guess it's not the worst thing ever because there's still some BW but what happens the year after or the year after that? Community efforts. I understand why everybody is sad to see this happening, but while BW's professional future in Korea is in a stage where we don't know what will happen, we surely know that the game will live on as long as there is a dedicated community. It would be very sad if everybody just went away with the end of Korean Starcraft. I've just joined this scene a short time ago, and I don't want to see it vanish. After all, I won't give up all hope until everything is official. . But there are definitely going to be people who after seeing BW played at its highest level aren't going to be interested in amateurs We call those people "fair-weather fans". Show nested quote +There are communities for a lot of games which have a fair amount of competition and never seem to die, but BW was the first game that challenged the idea that a video game couldn't be a sport, and to see it deteriorate to the level of a video game that only devoted fans play is not ideal. But like I've said before, the future is mysterious and we don't know if BW could become a real sport a second time. The chances of that happening are only as crazy as the chances of it happening the first time. It's not dead yet, you know. Nor has it's death been announced, and the implication is that it's here to stay, just kind of weirdly married to SC2 for the forseeable future.
That's not what being a fair weather fan is.
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On April 06 2012 13:44 Condor Hero wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2012 05:26 rotinegg wrote:On April 06 2012 05:23 e_i_pi_1_0 wrote:
Thanks rotinegg.
I really don't know what to think about this to be honest. yea me neither... part of me squirms at the thought of watching SC2 over BW just cuz all my favorite players are playing it but if that's how it's gonna be so be it I guess.. Well I'd rather see the players I grew up watching dominate the fuck out of SC2 than them retiring or strictly BW in a shrinking scene to be honest. Though it would be a shame to see the mechanics they spent years developing being mostly irrelevant.
I grew up watching boxer and nada play sc bw and yet now in sc2 they aren't doing so well in terms of being as good as they are in bw . So no, I would like to keep the memories of them being at their best intact rather than seeing them struggle to reach their former glory. To me if sc2 had at least bw marine and medic boxer could have done so many amazing things for sc2 but nonetheless sc2 isn't bw and that sucks .
Also the definition for "fair weather fans" by http://www.urbandictionary.com
A fan of a sports team who only shows support when the team is doing well. During hard times they usually bandwagon other teams. They basically have no real loyalty to the team, but still manage to get better seats than you at the game. Strangely they mysteriously vanish at the first sign of trouble.
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