Rumors on SC Proleague Season 2 - Page 58

On April 06 2012 05:26 rotinegg wrote:

yea me neither... part of me squirms at the thought of watching SC2 over BW just cuz all my favorite players are playing it but if that's how it's gonna be so be it I guess..

On April 06 2012 09:21 Ribbon wrote:
So, Jaedong confirmed by T8 captain to be switching to SC2?

That's....ugh.

That doesn't even make strategic sense. You have 6 players good at BW and 3 who are less good. If you think there's going to be a switch, have the B-team switch, since you're starting from scratch anyway. Most of the other BW teams are allegedly just going to poach SC2 players off the SC2 teams. Even if they don't, they're going to have a full time SC2 division and a full time BW division. Even Jaedong, if he half-and-halfs it, is going to get smashed by people like Soulkey in BW and...I dunno, Maru, in SC2. It's silly.

On April 06 2012 11:23 Kyuukyuu wrote:
i am so excited to see michael jordan play minor league baseball

On April 06 2012 09:26 supernovamaniac wrote:

I'll take a bite at this though.

It seems like they mentioned that they're going to have a joint league between two games (which I'm still uncomfortable with), yet they never specified HOW it's going to work out. Like I said in the past, you will never know if the players will be forced to play both games or be placed in a game where they're more comfortable in.

And speaking realistically, I'm pretty sure some BW players wanted to switch yet they haven't done so because of the Korean SC2 "Team" Houses in Korea. Their facility, sponsorship, and salary is almost nothing compared to what current BW players have.

On April 06 2012 10:34 Milkis wrote:


Of course they hate each other.

GOM hates KeSPA because they believe KeSPA teams boycotted and killed the GOM TV classics.
KeSPA hates GOM because of the entire IP rights fiasco, and the fact that GOM has been "bullying" KeSPA over the rights (first for BW, then for SC2) for some time. There also seems to be other reasons of why KeSPA dislikes GOM, but I have no way of verifying some of these claims so I won't bother mentioning them.

But yeah right now literally everything rests on Blizzard and how they decide to handle it. KeSPA/OGN/Blizzard are working very closely together.

On April 06 2012 09:28 masterbreti wrote:
I don't think many people know that Kespa has actively prevented foreigners from seeing pro bw players beyond kespa organized leagues. Going far enough to banning players who played sc2 on the big stage who were still kespa players (NaDa anyone?) Kespa wants a iron grip on esports in Korea, thats why they do progamer licenses and such. If you don't get a license you don't play, simple as that.

Which means if they do something similar to courage, it'll be tougher than code B to get into. Which will make almost no foreigner ever come close to Korea, and Koreans won't have time to particpate in other leagues anyways because of the shechuale that kespa and gom will have. You'll have PL, OSL, GSL all in Korea. Koreans will take those leagues over any foreign tournaments any day. Which means Koreans travelling outside Korea will be almost nil.

Nevermind the fact that if they were to even try to get koreans to particpate in leagues outside Korea, they would have to get kespa's approval, and that comes with having to pay big fees to kespa.

Kespa's staff 90% of the time is unresponsive or just don't care. They don't care about outside Korea, they never do, and never will. Its just Kespa's nature, their board of directors are all sponsors, and the sponsors are mostly Korean exclusive companies, so they don't care about leagues outside Korea. Which means teams like SKT or KT, won't send their players outside Korea, because they don't need the exposure outside Korea.

On April 06 2012 14:41 onedayclose wrote:


My best guess is a player will pick ONE GAME and each team will have a BW squad and a SC2 squad. This makes the most sense competitively.

On April 06 2012 14:52 konadora wrote:

I think you're assuming this all off how you've felt about KeSPA these few years, with some of the dumb things they've done. I too felt the same but let me tell you that this is absurd.

You say that KeSPA has actively prevented foreigners from seeing pro bw players beyond KeSPA organised league, but I don't think that was the reason behind banning ex-bw players who moved on to SC2. The reason for the ban was to tell Blizzard to tell them in their face that KeSPA is still the one that controls ESPORTS in Korea and that in Korea, Blizzard or any other company has to go through them. Why else do you think Blizzard, after all those retarded lawsuits and bitching is finally co-operating with KeSPA once more? Hell, they could have continued to stick with GOM. But you know what, GOM (no offense) is terrible. It's a "TV" (lol joke) but its reach is next to none, people in Korea won't give a fuck until it's officially recognised and promoted. Look at SC2, then look at LoL. Riot Games actively sought to seek cooperation with KeSPA, and with LoL as an official game in Korea, it's being heavily promoted, not by plastering streets with banners that annoying the shit out of everyone, but having people (Kim Carry, Kong) and media (DES, Fomos, OGN) promote it. How were they able to do it? Because of KeSPA's backing. Blizzard tried to do their own way, and now you see Mike trying to suck up back to KeSPA and the Korean fans because they know SC2 is close to doomed in Korea right now. For any game to get big, it HAS to go through KeSPA; KeSPA knows that and that's why they're so keen on keeping a tight leash around the progaming scene. Nothing to do with putting down the interest of foreign fans. And as a business (yes KeSPA is still a business management, people forget that), it's a necessary step.

For your point about KeSPA not sending players out of Korea, well that's because of all their games, there are none (except for LoL maybe?) that have foreign tournaments? Look at the games. Kart Rider, Brood War, Sudden Attack, Special Force... yeah I'm sure there are foreign tournaments for those, right? IF SC2 gets the KeSPA stamp of approval, who knows what may happen. We've seen BW being attempted to be held in Shanghai, BW progamers going overseas (Blizzcon, IESF, etc etc) and such, and I for sure as hell know that none of them paid "big fees" to KeSPA.

KeSPA's staff are unresponsive and they don't care outside Korea? You are wrong there. KeSPA is actually very interested in the foreign fanbase, just that they have not had any methods or media to get to them. Well they did recently set up the ESPORTSTV channel on youtube, which was really good imo. Fast uploads, good quality, no country region block. There are some stuff that I can't say, but KeSPA is more than willing to cooperate with foreign organisations and communities to developing ESPORTS in and out of Korea and maintaining or even increasing the fanbase. It is thanks to KeSPA that TL has managed to get 30 special priority tickets to the grand finals this sunday, and that was on a last-minute basis. They didn't know that so many foreigners were interested, and they were the ones who offered the priority tickets in the first place. They responded immediately with sincerity and interest, and everyone in KeSPA from the referees to the general manager are interested in both the local and foreign fanbase, I can vouch for that. They are listening and tolerating all the shit that stargal and other communities throw at them, but in the end, they are a business model, so they are just trying to balance out how to manage the business well while keeping the interest going, with the fanbase in mind.

On March 24 2012 05:33 dsousa wrote:


One big happy family. Group hug?

On April 06 2012 13:27 Ribbon wrote:


We call those people "fair-weather fans".



It's not dead yet, you know. Nor has it's death been announced, and the implication is that it's here to stay, just kind of weirdly married to SC2 for the forseeable future.