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I felt something like this before in middle school.
A new kid transferred to my school and suddenly became the cool kid. My girlfriend broke up with me and got with him... It feels like I'm/we're being ostracized from this environment that WE created with passion and love for a game, only to be taken over by a trendy mainstream money-hungry movement. This is a pathetic attempt to usurp the BW fan base, and I, for one, will not support it. All they will get from me is a fucking daily page full of:
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On April 06 2012 15:12 Sinedd wrote:
my biggest concern is that SC2 is so much easier for the pros to play than BW, that awesome gosu players wont be as much dominant as in BW, and they'll wont be able to show all of their skills because of adjustable hotkeys, easier mechanics etc..
the skill gap between gosu and medium players will be significantly smaller.. which makes me kinda sad ;(
I thought the transition is going to take more time than this..
I'm concerned that the gosus will initially not dominate as much in both games not because of SC2's game design but because they may be forced to practice both games at once. Perhaps the game design might come in to limit their abilities later if they play full time, but I'm afraid that the players will be stretched too thin and will do poorly in both games at once.
Like, a Bisu doing 50% BW and 50% SC2 may easily get sniped in a match by someone who does 100% BW or 100% SC2. I'm afraid of this.
I'm also afraid that match quality, in both games, will be pretty bad. The novelty of watching BW pros playing against each other in SC2 might wear off if they consistently play at only a high-masters level due to practicing both games at once. If that happens, I might be more entertained watching the cutting-edge of the SC2 metagame in GSL rather than watch lower-level matches played by part-time players in the hybrid Proleague.
And then the hybrid pros will be more vulnerable to less-skilled players who play BW full-time. Playing at a professional level is already a tightrope act as is, and Team 8's poor performance shows how even the most subtle of changes can have significant negative effects to performance.
tbh, I would rather see Jaedong either be good at BW or good at SC2 rather than see him be mediocre at both.
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On April 06 2012 13:46 Gosi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2012 09:21 Ribbon wrote:
So, Jaedong confirmed by T8 captain to be switching to SC2?
That's....ugh.
That doesn't even make strategic sense. You have 6 players good at BW and 3 who are less good. If you think there's going to be a switch, have the B-team switch, since you're starting from scratch anyway. Most of the other BW teams are allegedly just going to poach SC2 players off the SC2 teams. Even if they don't, they're going to have a full time SC2 division and a full time BW division. Even Jaedong, if he half-and-halfs it, is going to get smashed by people like Soulkey in BW and...I dunno, Maru, in SC2. It's silly.
Who cares about the "strategic" sense? Never thought about that Jaedong maybe wants to make the switch to sc2?
Jaedong gets paid six figures. His desires are 100% irrelevant.
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On April 06 2012 08:25 Kazuki wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2012 08:20 TheButtonmen wrote:On April 06 2012 08:04 maybenexttime wrote:On April 06 2012 06:58 Kazuki wrote:On April 06 2012 06:54 maybenexttime wrote:
So Blizzard achieved their goal and effectively killed BW. Now that their eyes are on SC2, they'll milk it as much as possible and extort more money from tournament organizers, then they'll let the game rot. Disgusting. Yeah, that's why they just announced the world championships. To extort more money from tournament organizers. Maybe lift that stone you're lying under, and actually pay attention. Aren't they charging any bigger event like 50% of the sponsorship money? That's what I've read, I believe. No? Like I'd love to see your source for that because Blizzard taking sponsorship money sounds impossible and completely dumb. Blizzard does take a cut of the advertising revenue for tournaments over $5k which don't have a partnership with Blizzard but all the major ones (Dreamhack, IEM, GSL, MLG, IGN, ect) all have partnerships with Blizz. Exactly. I think I heard Robert Simpson or someone deny that they are taking such money as well. Don't remember where they said it. I can understand that you're disappointed that BW isn't going the way you want it to, but to blame it all on Blizzard and saying they are just taking (our) money, is not true at all.
I have more than enough reasons to blame it on blizzard since they outright tried to kill BW in Korea. Maybe you should read a little about their "negotiations" with KeSpa and subsequent lawsuit...
And how do you know they don't demand an equally large cut from the organizers they're partnered up with? After all, they demanded WAY more from KeSpa, they tried to "partner up with".
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Since MSL is gone and this is the last PL, I really hope OSL keeps carrying the banner for a bit longer. It would be sad to see everything fall apart in just a few months.
Anyway, you can't really call a hybrid proleague a real BW event (I imagine SC2 fans are thinking 'wtf' as well...). When there are no more BW events, ESPORTS is dead to me. I had a great time following it these last few years.
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I would probably watch sc2 games if Barrin 6mineral 1 gas(FRB) is implemented in to the pro scene . From an old bw fan perspective on this development it's great that sc2 community is able to direct their future rather than waiting for blizzard to do something and magically create a better game for themselves .
This in my opinion is definitely a step to a better future for sc2 and I am hopeful that the lack of resources will force players to try to do minor guerilla tactics to get that extra base running and this will lead to more engagement and special tactics being employed by players to win in the middle and late game . I see 6min1gas I think about broodwar and I would definitely let my negativity about sc2 fade away if every game of sc2 is actually played on maps like 6min1gas.
Hopefully this idea of barrins is widely accepted and probably it's the last chance for sc2 to make thing's finally right .
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On April 06 2012 16:34 Sawamura wrote:
I would probably watch sc2 games if Barrin 6mineral 1 gas(FRB) is implemented in to the pro scene . From an old bw fan perspective on this development it's great that sc2 community is able to direct their future rather than waiting for blizzard to do something and magically create a better game for themselves .
This in my opinion is definitely a step to a better future for sc2 and I am hopeful that the lack of resources will force players to try to do minor guerilla tactics to get that extra base running and this will lead to more engagement and special tactics being employed by players to win in the middle and late game . I see 6min1gas I think about broodwar and I would definitely let my negativity about sc2 fade away if every game of sc2 is actually played on maps like 6min1gas.
Hopefully this idea of barrins is widely accepted and probably it's the last chance for sc2 to make thing's finally right .
or you know...the bisu balance idea might fall through lol.
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While the idea of combinging the two games is odd, I am excited to see what this will do to the Korean SC2 fanbase.
Also, the thought of watching JD stream makes me...all tingly.
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On April 06 2012 16:34 Sawamura wrote:
I would probably watch sc2 games if Barrin 6mineral 1 gas(FRB) is implemented in to the pro scene . From an old bw fan perspective on this development it's great that sc2 community is able to direct their future rather than waiting for blizzard to do something and magically create a better game for themselves .
This in my opinion is definitely a step to a better future for sc2 and I am hopeful that the lack of resources will force players to try to do minor guerilla tactics to get that extra base running and this will lead to more engagement and special tactics being employed by players to win in the middle and late game . I see 6min1gas I think about broodwar and I would definitely let my negativity about sc2 fade away if every game of sc2 is actually played on maps like 6min1gas.
Hopefully this idea of barrins is widely accepted and probably it's the last chance for sc2 to make thing's finally right .
6m1g would mean terrans will roflstomp everything. good viewing right there
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if jd and flash switch they should really swap races. sc2 zerg seems much more suited for turtling for upgrades and being economically greedy as flash is wont to do, while jd might actually make even dongrauders interesting to watch with his trademark aggression.
plus t > z so maybe jd can finally consistently beat flash in championship finals .__________.
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On April 06 2012 16:47 etrensce wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2012 16:34 Sawamura wrote:
I would probably watch sc2 games if Barrin 6mineral 1 gas(FRB) is implemented in to the pro scene . From an old bw fan perspective on this development it's great that sc2 community is able to direct their future rather than waiting for blizzard to do something and magically create a better game for themselves .
This in my opinion is definitely a step to a better future for sc2 and I am hopeful that the lack of resources will force players to try to do minor guerilla tactics to get that extra base running and this will lead to more engagement and special tactics being employed by players to win in the middle and late game . I see 6min1gas I think about broodwar and I would definitely let my negativity about sc2 fade away if every game of sc2 is actually played on maps like 6min1gas.
Hopefully this idea of barrins is widely accepted and probably it's the last chance for sc2 to make thing's finally right . 6m1g would mean terrans will roflstomp everything. good viewing right there
Sounds like 14cc would be a good build on 6m1g and that is why I like it .
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On April 06 2012 16:50 rauk wrote:
if jd and flash switch they should really swap races. sc2 zerg seems much more suited for turtling for upgrades and being economically greedy as flash is wont to do, while jd might actually make even dongrauders interesting to watch with his trademark aggression.
plus t > z so maybe jd can finally consistently beat flash in championship finals .__________.
JD did beat Flash in a championchip series the first time they met, then got rolled on not so great zerg maps (and he played super greedy like omg he would make 6 hatcheries 4 bases and die to a simple timing xD.
But no if JD switches to T I would cry  .
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On April 06 2012 16:34 Sawamura wrote:
I would probably watch sc2 games if Barrin 6mineral 1 gas(FRB) is implemented in to the pro scene . From an old bw fan perspective on this development it's great that sc2 community is able to direct their future rather than waiting for blizzard to do something and magically create a better game for themselves .
This in my opinion is definitely a step to a better future for sc2 and I am hopeful that the lack of resources will force players to try to do minor guerilla tactics to get that extra base running and this will lead to more engagement and special tactics being employed by players to win in the middle and late game . I see 6min1gas I think about broodwar and I would definitely let my negativity about sc2 fade away if every game of sc2 is actually played on maps like 6min1gas.
Hopefully this idea of barrins is widely accepted and probably it's the last chance for sc2 to make thing's finally right .
Yeah, 6m1gas feels like Brood War. I think it'll probably take some time to be accepted, unless KeSPA forces it, because there'll be balance hiccups and such, but it's such a massive improvement in the game to play and to watch. It will, inevitably, be the standard, with or without Blizzard's involvement. I think 6m1g is almost as big an idea to SC2 as "natural" expansions were to BW.
There's a 6m1g tournament next week with some low-level pros (and Ganzi, who kind of outclasses them), and I'm really looking forward to it. Have you actually tried 6m maps? They're much more fun to play, as well.
On April 06 2012 16:47 etrensce wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2012 16:34 Sawamura wrote:
I would probably watch sc2 games if Barrin 6mineral 1 gas(FRB) is implemented in to the pro scene . From an old bw fan perspective on this development it's great that sc2 community is able to direct their future rather than waiting for blizzard to do something and magically create a better game for themselves .
This in my opinion is definitely a step to a better future for sc2 and I am hopeful that the lack of resources will force players to try to do minor guerilla tactics to get that extra base running and this will lead to more engagement and special tactics being employed by players to win in the middle and late game . I see 6min1gas I think about broodwar and I would definitely let my negativity about sc2 fade away if every game of sc2 is actually played on maps like 6min1gas.
Hopefully this idea of barrins is widely accepted and probably it's the last chance for sc2 to make thing's finally right . 6m1g would mean terrans will roflstomp everything. good viewing right there
This does not seem to be the case either in my own experience, or in higher-level tests. Some of the openings are a bit weird, but 6m1g is really such "SC2 but better in every way". You can't just sit on your ass and turtle to 200, even as Zerg, and it just feels so much more active, and fast-paced.
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On April 06 2012 16:52 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2012 16:50 rauk wrote:
if jd and flash switch they should really swap races. sc2 zerg seems much more suited for turtling for upgrades and being economically greedy as flash is wont to do, while jd might actually make even dongrauders interesting to watch with his trademark aggression.
plus t > z so maybe jd can finally consistently beat flash in championship finals .__________. JD did beat Flash in a championchip series the first time they met, then got rolled on not so great zerg maps (and he played super greedy like omg he would make 6 hatcheries 4 bases and die to a simple timing xD. But no if JD switches to T I would cry .
But what could he realistically do with Zerg that's impressive? Plague and Swarm are a lot more impressive than fungal... Muta micro is almost nonexistent, no scourge for ZvZ. Sigh. ;/
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On April 06 2012 17:03 Ribbon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2012 16:34 Sawamura wrote:
I would probably watch sc2 games if Barrin 6mineral 1 gas(FRB) is implemented in to the pro scene . From an old bw fan perspective on this development it's great that sc2 community is able to direct their future rather than waiting for blizzard to do something and magically create a better game for themselves .
This in my opinion is definitely a step to a better future for sc2 and I am hopeful that the lack of resources will force players to try to do minor guerilla tactics to get that extra base running and this will lead to more engagement and special tactics being employed by players to win in the middle and late game . I see 6min1gas I think about broodwar and I would definitely let my negativity about sc2 fade away if every game of sc2 is actually played on maps like 6min1gas.
Hopefully this idea of barrins is widely accepted and probably it's the last chance for sc2 to make thing's finally right . Yeah, 6m1gas feels like Brood War. I think it'll probably take some time to be accepted, unless KeSPA forces it, because there'll be balance hiccups and such, but it's such a massive improvement in the game to play and to watch. It will, inevitably, be the standard, with or without Blizzard's involvement. I think 6m1g is almost as big an idea to SC2 as "natural" expansions were to BW. There's a 6m1g tournament next week with some low-level pros (and Ganzi, who kind of outclasses them), and I'm really looking forward to it. Have you actually tried 6m maps? They're much more fun to play, as well. Show nested quote +On April 06 2012 16:47 etrensce wrote:On April 06 2012 16:34 Sawamura wrote:
I would probably watch sc2 games if Barrin 6mineral 1 gas(FRB) is implemented in to the pro scene . From an old bw fan perspective on this development it's great that sc2 community is able to direct their future rather than waiting for blizzard to do something and magically create a better game for themselves .
This in my opinion is definitely a step to a better future for sc2 and I am hopeful that the lack of resources will force players to try to do minor guerilla tactics to get that extra base running and this will lead to more engagement and special tactics being employed by players to win in the middle and late game . I see 6min1gas I think about broodwar and I would definitely let my negativity about sc2 fade away if every game of sc2 is actually played on maps like 6min1gas.
Hopefully this idea of barrins is widely accepted and probably it's the last chance for sc2 to make thing's finally right . 6m1g would mean terrans will roflstomp everything. good viewing right there This does not seem to be the case either in my own experience, or in higher-level tests. Some of the openings are a bit weird, but 6m1g is really such "SC2 but better in every way". You can't just sit on your ass and turtle to 200, even as Zerg, and it just feels so much more active, and fast-paced.
Don't have a copy of sc2 but I don't mind watching a few vods with 6min1gas maps being played by sc2 pro's.
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On April 06 2012 17:03 maybenexttime wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2012 16:52 blade55555 wrote:On April 06 2012 16:50 rauk wrote:
if jd and flash switch they should really swap races. sc2 zerg seems much more suited for turtling for upgrades and being economically greedy as flash is wont to do, while jd might actually make even dongrauders interesting to watch with his trademark aggression.
plus t > z so maybe jd can finally consistently beat flash in championship finals .__________. JD did beat Flash in a championchip series the first time they met, then got rolled on not so great zerg maps (and he played super greedy like omg he would make 6 hatcheries 4 bases and die to a simple timing xD. But no if JD switches to T I would cry . But what could he realistically do with Zerg that's impressive? Plague and Swarm are a lot more impressive than fungal... Muta micro is almost nonexistent, no scourge for ZvZ. Sigh. ;/
Oh just mechanics, constant creep spread, multi tasking in general. Idk I just feel him and zerg would be so amazing to watch. I just can't bear to think of jaedong playing terran
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On April 06 2012 17:18 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2012 17:03 maybenexttime wrote:On April 06 2012 16:52 blade55555 wrote:On April 06 2012 16:50 rauk wrote:
if jd and flash switch they should really swap races. sc2 zerg seems much more suited for turtling for upgrades and being economically greedy as flash is wont to do, while jd might actually make even dongrauders interesting to watch with his trademark aggression.
plus t > z so maybe jd can finally consistently beat flash in championship finals .__________. JD did beat Flash in a championchip series the first time they met, then got rolled on not so great zerg maps (and he played super greedy like omg he would make 6 hatcheries 4 bases and die to a simple timing xD. But no if JD switches to T I would cry . But what could he realistically do with Zerg that's impressive? Plague and Swarm are a lot more impressive than fungal... Muta micro is almost nonexistent, no scourge for ZvZ. Sigh. ;/ Oh just mechanics, constant creep spread, multi tasking in general. Idk I just feel him and zerg would be so amazing to watch. I just can't bear to think of jaedong playing terran
Don't forget about the Viper spells in HotS!
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thanks for the great time i've had the past 8 years korean bw scene and TL T____T
i'll never forget u
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On April 06 2012 17:23 alffla wrote:
thanks for the great time i've had the past 8 years korean bw scene and TL T____T
i'll never forget u
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I really wish blizzard had tried to make BW HD instead of trying to force everyone to switch to sc2... BW HD has so much potential to revitalize the BW scene AND make money in Korea (assuming they upgrade the BNet with WC3 features and come up with a payment scheme that involves PC bangs), even people who are put off by BW's graphics could easily enjoy it since it's not that hard to make good looking 2D graphics.
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