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dRaW
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada5744 Posts
April 04 2012 06:20 GMT
#961
tbh I think it's bad for me as a viewer who enjoys BW, but I can see why they are doing it... Only good thing I will say is to see flash in sc2, because they will have to start repatching the game like every month
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Ronski
Profile Joined February 2011
Finland266 Posts
April 04 2012 06:27 GMT
#962
I can only see this as an attempt to keep the current SC2 pros from participating in the league.

-If you need to play 2 games in the same league then the broodwar players would win every game of BW while the SC2 players would of course win in SC2. If they force the players to play both games it gives the BW players some time to practice before they join the same scene with the current SC2 pros.
I am a tank. I am covered head to toe in solid plate mail. I carry a block of metal the size of a 4 door sedan to hide behind. If you see me running - you should too.
Atlasy
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Hungary229 Posts
April 04 2012 08:50 GMT
#963
On April 04 2012 15:27 Ronski wrote:
I can only see this as an attempt to keep the current SC2 pros from participating in the league.

-If you need to play 2 games in the same league then the broodwar players would win every game of BW while the SC2 players would of course win in SC2. If they force the players to play both games it gives the BW players some time to practice before they join the same scene with the current SC2 pros.

So smart.
Ribbon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5278 Posts
April 04 2012 09:11 GMT
#964
On April 04 2012 15:27 Ronski wrote:
I can only see this as an attempt to keep the current SC2 pros from participating in the league.


They could also just flat-out not let the existing SC2 scene participate at all, and pretend it doesn't exist. I think that's the most likely.
DKR
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom622 Posts
April 04 2012 10:45 GMT
#965
On April 04 2012 15:27 Ronski wrote:
I can only see this as an attempt to keep the current SC2 pros from participating in the league.

-If you need to play 2 games in the same league then the broodwar players would win every game of BW while the SC2 players would of course win in SC2. If they force the players to play both games it gives the BW players some time to practice before they join the same scene with the current SC2 pros.


This is quite a good insight (as opposed to the constantly slagging off SC2 as opposed to saying anything constructive). The e-sports federation may well even be involved in this and have it be it's first significant task.

I for one would rather see leagues run side by side or even separately completely, whilst still being KESPA run.
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Mazaire
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia217 Posts
April 04 2012 11:08 GMT
#966
Were they high when they implemented this?
"No matter what event you go to there are so many koreans, like a swarm. Even if you beat three or four, there are like 10 others waiting." - Socke
babysuperga
Profile Joined November 2011
Vietnam49 Posts
April 04 2012 12:04 GMT
#967
No!!! I watched SC2. It's so terrible!!!
I can't understand anything.
Archers_bane
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1338 Posts
April 04 2012 12:06 GMT
#968
On April 04 2012 21:04 babysuperga wrote:
No!!! I watched SC2. It's so terrible!!!
I can't understand anything.



I feel like its just comes down to one engagement that determines it all, maybe I have some bias but thats how I feel about watching pro sc2.

Anyways, as long as their is still some BW, im happy
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zeehar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Korea (South)3804 Posts
April 04 2012 12:42 GMT
#969
On April 04 2012 21:04 babysuperga wrote:
No!!! I watched SC2. It's so terrible!!!
I can't understand anything.


you very rarely understand any game you watch for the first time.
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babysuperga
Profile Joined November 2011
Vietnam49 Posts
April 04 2012 16:58 GMT
#970
On April 04 2012 21:42 zeehar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2012 21:04 babysuperga wrote:
No!!! I watched SC2. It's so terrible!!!
I can't understand anything.


you very rarely understand any game you watch for the first time.


You're right :D
But watching BW is damn exciting.
I think many ones watch it for the first time think so, too. Why do it have to end like this
Flamingo777
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1190 Posts
April 04 2012 17:49 GMT
#971
This doesn't even make sense. You have more than enough fans to constitute separate Proleagues, in my opinion. Furthermore, if you air the two in close time slots, you will get a lot of overlapping viewers, which would be good for both worlds.
Azriel
Profile Joined December 2010
Mexico462 Posts
April 04 2012 18:01 GMT
#972
This is going to make Blizzard/Kespa look like ass when SC2 dies in a year or so.
Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6628 Posts
April 04 2012 18:04 GMT
#973
On April 05 2012 03:01 Azriel wrote:
This is going to make Blizzard/Kespa look like ass when SC2 dies in a year or so.

Sc2 will not die in a year or so.... maybe a year or so after all the expansions come out, but with Heart of the swarm around the corner and then legacy of the void after it, even if both games suck extreme ass(Which I don't think they will) The hype around them will be more then enough to keep the games alive.
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JohnnyPG
Profile Joined October 2011
United States39 Posts
April 04 2012 18:15 GMT
#974
On April 04 2012 21:06 Archers_bane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2012 21:04 babysuperga wrote:
No!!! I watched SC2. It's so terrible!!!
I can't understand anything.



I feel like its just comes down to one engagement that determines it all, maybe I have some bias but thats how I feel about watching pro sc2.

Anyways, as long as their is still some BW, im happy


In professional SC2 games, that is rarely the case anymore at all. The "Whole thing being down to one engagement" is definitely last year strategies, you should see some of the top Terrans harassment, their apm is through the roof, Zergs also are doing some crazy multitasking babysitting all of the macro mechanics, Protoss can at times be a bit turtly, but lately we are seeing tons of warp prism harassment and the like. We are seeing a CLEAR and STEADY trend into much more skilled/apm demanding play, and frankly, once HOTS comes out, sc2 is going to be nothing short of a microfest, all of the units being introduced (short of Terran units, but for the love of God give them some A move ability lawl) require intense micromanagement to be effective, so either the players will DRASTICALLY raise their skill ceiling, or fall behind.

I understand the bias though, I dont entirely understand BW strategies, but I have been a Jaedong/Bisu fan for years, so I still get some serious entertainment out of watching those monsters play.
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JohnnyPG
Profile Joined October 2011
United States39 Posts
April 04 2012 18:18 GMT
#975
On April 05 2012 03:01 Azriel wrote:
This is going to make Blizzard/Kespa look like ass when SC2 dies in a year or so.


I have never understood why pro BW anti SC2 comments like this dont even receive a warning, if I said this about BW, I would have been banned.

And you are incorrect, SC2 has a massive and dedicated fanbase in the foreign scene, and it only will be growing. Once North America catches on, and starts offering professional gamers real money like a real job, you will see it become a legitimate path to follow out here, and any and all talent in NA will bloom more then it has.

And honestly, once The Big 3 (JD, Flash, Bisu) switch over to Sc2, their massive fanbase will follow them into Sc2, there might be some that dont, but if you dont think that the vast majority of people wouldnt watch Jeadong play even fucking League of Legends, you are deluding yourself x)
MOAR MARINES!!!
Dental Floss
Profile Joined September 2009
United States1015 Posts
April 04 2012 19:21 GMT
#976
On April 05 2012 03:15 JohnnyPG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2012 21:06 Archers_bane wrote:
On April 04 2012 21:04 babysuperga wrote:
No!!! I watched SC2. It's so terrible!!!
I can't understand anything.



I feel like its just comes down to one engagement that determines it all, maybe I have some bias but thats how I feel about watching pro sc2.

Anyways, as long as their is still some BW, im happy

Zergs also are doing some crazy multitasking babysitting all of the macro mechanics


Oh boy, I can't wait to watch top zergs babysit their macro mechanics. Nothing more fun than watching efficient larva injects -_-
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Walnuts
Profile Joined March 2012
United States770 Posts
April 04 2012 19:22 GMT
#977
At first, I thought they meant that even days on a schedule would be BW, odd would be Sc2....
Then I realized what they actually meant. -.-
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blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
April 04 2012 19:25 GMT
#978
On April 04 2012 21:06 Archers_bane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2012 21:04 babysuperga wrote:
No!!! I watched SC2. It's so terrible!!!
I can't understand anything.



I feel like its just comes down to one engagement that determines it all, maybe I have some bias but thats how I feel about watching pro sc2.

Anyways, as long as their is still some BW, im happy


Yeah that was like a year ago, game has changed a lot since then.
When I think of something else, something will go here
JohnnyPG
Profile Joined October 2011
United States39 Posts
April 04 2012 19:27 GMT
#979
On April 05 2012 04:21 Dental Floss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2012 03:15 JohnnyPG wrote:
On April 04 2012 21:06 Archers_bane wrote:
On April 04 2012 21:04 babysuperga wrote:
No!!! I watched SC2. It's so terrible!!!
I can't understand anything.



I feel like its just comes down to one engagement that determines it all, maybe I have some bias but thats how I feel about watching pro sc2.

Anyways, as long as their is still some BW, im happy

Zergs also are doing some crazy multitasking babysitting all of the macro mechanics


Oh boy, I can't wait to watch top zergs babysit their macro mechanics. Nothing more fun than watching efficient larva injects -_-


By "babysitting all of the macro mechanics" I was referring to efficient larvae injects with creep spread while...you know...mutalisk harassing, scouting, all of the other things you would have to do to win as a pro Zerg.

Good job being ridiculously literal though?
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Pelopidas
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada225 Posts
April 04 2012 20:25 GMT
#980
On April 03 2012 05:59 1Eris1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2012 05:02 Megaliskuu wrote:
On April 03 2012 04:33 Apex wrote:
On April 03 2012 03:59 Skwid1g wrote:
On April 03 2012 03:55 Taekwon wrote:
On April 03 2012 03:40 duncan.mc wrote:
On April 03 2012 02:53 hauton wrote:
This makes no sense

SC2 has zero traction in Korea anyways. It's long past its expiry date. Nobody cares about a game released nearly 2 years ago.

Mixing SC2 with BW won't get me to start watching SC2, I'll just stop watching BW. Period.


You're using this argument as a BW fan?


Uh, huh. Except Brood War just so happens to already be the rave.
Use your head.


Except sc2 does have a huge fanbase outside of Korea.They're trying to garner more attention inside Korea as well as getting the foreign fans to watch like GOM has.

With that being said, they shouldn't be together in any way. Same teams for both games would be nice, but neither team should influence one another. Having sc2 being mixed with BW doesn't make sense imo, I enjoy watching sc2 but mixing them is an AWFUL idea. I'm hoping it's just a separate team league for SC2, but I guess we'll see.


Meh, it seems to be more high-profile but not necessarily huge fanbase. Someone earlier said it best: zealous but not large.



So many people here are so blind, sc2 has a huuuuuge fanbase outside of korea man, just look at MLGs and streams and stuff. I don't care for the game and wouldn't even be sad if the entire sc2 scene died overnight, but to say it isn't really popular is just delusional.


Popular/huge are subjective terms. MLGs best numbers were 250k I believe and GSL seems to average a few hundred thousand on its code S vods. (this isn't all of the sc2 fans either, but I imagine it makes up the core percentage that can be classified as solid fans)
Now hundreds of thousands is certainly a lot of people, much more than most of us can picture, but it pales (and I mean pales) in comparison to BW at its height and it is still considerably less than the Korea fan base to this day.


250k accross all games, including LoL and COD. Probably less that 40% of that is SC2

On April 05 2012 03:18 JohnnyPG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2012 03:01 Azriel wrote:
This is going to make Blizzard/Kespa look like ass when SC2 dies in a year or so.


I have never understood why pro BW anti SC2 comments like this dont even receive a warning, if I said this about BW, I would have been banned.

And you are incorrect, SC2 has a massive and dedicated fanbase in the foreign scene, and it only will be growing. Once North America catches on, and starts offering professional gamers real money like a real job, you will see it become a legitimate path to follow out here, and any and all talent in NA will bloom more then it has.

And honestly, once The Big 3 (JD, Flash, Bisu) switch over to Sc2, their massive fanbase will follow them into Sc2, there might be some that dont, but if you dont think that the vast majority of people wouldnt watch Jeadong play even fucking League of Legends, you are deluding yourself x)


If you actually believe this you are deluding yourself. SC2 is not destined to become mainstrean in North America. The fanbase is shrinking not growing. Nothing will make SC2 replicate the success of BW in Korea.
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