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This idea is actually awesome IMO. It either grows BW hugely or SC2 hugely. Plus it would be tons of fun! I'm not sure why people think an immediate segregation/switch would be better for Starcraft as a long-term spectator sport. Worst case scenario, a bunch of SC2 fans realize how awesome BW is and give it second wind. Sounds pretty great to me.
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It is very weird. But it kind of excites me as fan of all Starcraft o.o
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On March 26 2012 13:55 RezChi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2012 13:49 j2choe wrote:On March 26 2012 05:38 StarStruck wrote:
BW PL Scandal doesn't look so good now guys. That was just the beginning of the end. ;x
Definitely left an impact on the scene. People seriously overstate the impact of the scandal. Ask yourself; did the scandal cause you to lose interest in the game? I doubt it. And the same answer probably applies to everyone else who watches this game; the scandal didn't cause anybody to walk away. As for people who weren't interested or only mildly in the game? I'm sure they didn't give a shit either way, and the scandal didn't do any more or any less to bring them into the scene. BW is dying because it hasn't been economically viable for a long time. Eventually, the revenue losses catch up to you, and in this business, when it rains it pours. The other reason is SC2 which created a split in the scene and a general perception that BW was aged out. It would have killed the scene a lot quicker if it were a better game. Are you stupid? The scandal has NOTHING to do with people interested in the game or not. It's all about BIG COMPANIES WANTING TO INVEST IN BROODWAR, BUT SAVIOR AND THE SCANDAL GUYS FUCKED SHIT UP. No company wanted to invest in OSL or MSL thanks to them.
OK CALM THE FUCK DOWN. Seriously what is it with you people randomly swearing and insulting each other for nothing?
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On March 26 2012 13:55 RezChi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2012 13:49 j2choe wrote:On March 26 2012 05:38 StarStruck wrote:
BW PL Scandal doesn't look so good now guys. That was just the beginning of the end. ;x
Definitely left an impact on the scene. People seriously overstate the impact of the scandal. Ask yourself; did the scandal cause you to lose interest in the game? I doubt it. And the same answer probably applies to everyone else who watches this game; the scandal didn't cause anybody to walk away. As for people who weren't interested or only mildly in the game? I'm sure they didn't give a shit either way, and the scandal didn't do any more or any less to bring them into the scene. BW is dying because it hasn't been economically viable for a long time. Eventually, the revenue losses catch up to you, and in this business, when it rains it pours. The other reason is SC2 which created a split in the scene and a general perception that BW was aged out. It would have killed the scene a lot quicker if it were a better game. Are you stupid? The scandal has NOTHING to do with people interested in the game or not. It's all about BIG COMPANIES WANTING TO INVEST IN BROODWAR, BUT SAVIOR AND THE SCANDAL GUYS FUCKED SHIT UP. No company wanted to invest in OSL or MSL thanks to them.
Finally, someone understands what happened in Korea.
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On March 26 2012 16:53 supernovamaniac wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2012 13:55 RezChi wrote:On March 26 2012 13:49 j2choe wrote:On March 26 2012 05:38 StarStruck wrote:
BW PL Scandal doesn't look so good now guys. That was just the beginning of the end. ;x
Definitely left an impact on the scene. People seriously overstate the impact of the scandal. Ask yourself; did the scandal cause you to lose interest in the game? I doubt it. And the same answer probably applies to everyone else who watches this game; the scandal didn't cause anybody to walk away. As for people who weren't interested or only mildly in the game? I'm sure they didn't give a shit either way, and the scandal didn't do any more or any less to bring them into the scene. BW is dying because it hasn't been economically viable for a long time. Eventually, the revenue losses catch up to you, and in this business, when it rains it pours. The other reason is SC2 which created a split in the scene and a general perception that BW was aged out. It would have killed the scene a lot quicker if it were a better game. Are you stupid? The scandal has NOTHING to do with people interested in the game or not. It's all about BIG COMPANIES WANTING TO INVEST IN BROODWAR, BUT SAVIOR AND THE SCANDAL GUYS FUCKED SHIT UP. No company wanted to invest in OSL or MSL thanks to them. Finally, someone understands what happened in Korea.
The scandal absolutely destroyed public image. Goddamn Savior, I remember the day when the whole thing came out. Rekrul's drunken post, and the feeling that he definitely wasn't making stuff up...
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On March 26 2012 11:54 RezChi wrote:
Didn't Stork say he played sc2 and it was easy shit, and that he might consider L.O.L progaming if he stops bw?
Fuck this shit, i want my Byung Goo forever!!!
I think that Unimpressed Flash Meme about those 5 heroes controlled by the other players says all. If SCII would be easy, ForGG would do better.
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On March 26 2012 13:49 j2choe wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2012 05:38 StarStruck wrote:
BW PL Scandal doesn't look so good now guys. That was just the beginning of the end. ;x
Definitely left an impact on the scene. People seriously overstate the impact of the scandal. Ask yourself; did the scandal cause you to lose interest in the game? I doubt it. And the same answer probably applies to everyone else who watches this game; the scandal didn't cause anybody to walk away. As for people who weren't interested or only mildly in the game? I'm sure they didn't give a shit either way, and the scandal didn't do any more or any less to bring them into the scene. BW is dying because it hasn't been economically viable for a long time. Eventually, the revenue losses catch up to you, and in this business, when it rains it pours. The other reason is SC2 which created a split in the scene and a general perception that BW was aged out. It would have killed the scene a lot quicker if it were a better game.
Since when? You think it's only a mere coincidence that KeSPA started to have a hard time finding sponsors and teams started to fold several months after it?
I'm not talking about interest in the fucking game. I'm talking about the impact of the business.
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On March 26 2012 17:07 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2012 13:49 j2choe wrote:On March 26 2012 05:38 StarStruck wrote:
BW PL Scandal doesn't look so good now guys. That was just the beginning of the end. ;x
Definitely left an impact on the scene. People seriously overstate the impact of the scandal. Ask yourself; did the scandal cause you to lose interest in the game? I doubt it. And the same answer probably applies to everyone else who watches this game; the scandal didn't cause anybody to walk away. As for people who weren't interested or only mildly in the game? I'm sure they didn't give a shit either way, and the scandal didn't do any more or any less to bring them into the scene. BW is dying because it hasn't been economically viable for a long time. Eventually, the revenue losses catch up to you, and in this business, when it rains it pours. The other reason is SC2 which created a split in the scene and a general perception that BW was aged out. It would have killed the scene a lot quicker if it were a better game. Since when? You think it's only a mere coincidence that KeSPA started to have a hard time finding sponsors and teams started to fold several months after it? I'm not talking about interest in the fucking game. I'm talking about the impact of the business.
This point cannot be overstated. It's so crucial in understanding BW's difficulties in finding sponsorship, despite the existence of a strong and loyal fanbase. Blizzard's IP rights fiasco was a large factor as well, again because corporations felt it might be risky to associate their brand name with something "illegal"/"unsanctioned". That's part of what's so frustrating for us BW fans - the Korean competitive scene is dying, but not because of any fault of the game itself or lack of passion from its players or fans, but because the money isn't there, and the money isn't there for stupid reasons - Savior, and Blizzard, to oversimplify it slightly.
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On March 26 2012 17:17 Funnytoss wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2012 17:07 StarStruck wrote:On March 26 2012 13:49 j2choe wrote:On March 26 2012 05:38 StarStruck wrote:
BW PL Scandal doesn't look so good now guys. That was just the beginning of the end. ;x
Definitely left an impact on the scene. People seriously overstate the impact of the scandal. Ask yourself; did the scandal cause you to lose interest in the game? I doubt it. And the same answer probably applies to everyone else who watches this game; the scandal didn't cause anybody to walk away. As for people who weren't interested or only mildly in the game? I'm sure they didn't give a shit either way, and the scandal didn't do any more or any less to bring them into the scene. BW is dying because it hasn't been economically viable for a long time. Eventually, the revenue losses catch up to you, and in this business, when it rains it pours. The other reason is SC2 which created a split in the scene and a general perception that BW was aged out. It would have killed the scene a lot quicker if it were a better game. Since when? You think it's only a mere coincidence that KeSPA started to have a hard time finding sponsors and teams started to fold several months after it? I'm not talking about interest in the fucking game. I'm talking about the impact of the business. This point cannot be overstated. It's so crucial in understanding BW's difficulties in finding sponsorship, despite the existence of a strong and loyal fanbase. Blizzard's IP rights fiasco was a large factor as well, again because corporations felt it might be risky to associate their brand name with something "illegal"/"unsanctioned". That's part of what's so frustrating for us BW fans - the Korean competitive scene is dying, but not because of any fault of the game itself or lack of passion from its players or fans, but because the money isn't there, and the money isn't there for stupid reasons - Savior, and Blizzard, to oversimplify it slightly.
Teams are still getting paid their fully salary and there is no issue about sponsorship for individual teams . Using huge blanket statement like "Korean competitive scene is dying " is really interesting because for the past few days I have seen lots of competitive and moral supports from the fan even though according to you dying . LoL has been gathering lots of attention these day in Korea and has spark a lot of fans and sponsorship interest and this also mean there would be a lot of competitive scene for the Koreans .
Also about money isn't there, BW teams company like Samsung,Stx,Skt1,WJ,CJ and KT are huge companies with lots of money to pay their players their salary . So there is money when teams are still getting sponsored . Although getting sponsorship for major events like OSL is a whole different thing . In my opinion greedy KT Rolster should sponsor this year osl and this will even out the criticism that KT is doing nothing while skt is sponsoring proleague .
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On March 26 2012 17:29 Sawamura wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2012 17:17 Funnytoss wrote:On March 26 2012 17:07 StarStruck wrote:On March 26 2012 13:49 j2choe wrote:On March 26 2012 05:38 StarStruck wrote:
BW PL Scandal doesn't look so good now guys. That was just the beginning of the end. ;x
Definitely left an impact on the scene. People seriously overstate the impact of the scandal. Ask yourself; did the scandal cause you to lose interest in the game? I doubt it. And the same answer probably applies to everyone else who watches this game; the scandal didn't cause anybody to walk away. As for people who weren't interested or only mildly in the game? I'm sure they didn't give a shit either way, and the scandal didn't do any more or any less to bring them into the scene. BW is dying because it hasn't been economically viable for a long time. Eventually, the revenue losses catch up to you, and in this business, when it rains it pours. The other reason is SC2 which created a split in the scene and a general perception that BW was aged out. It would have killed the scene a lot quicker if it were a better game. Since when? You think it's only a mere coincidence that KeSPA started to have a hard time finding sponsors and teams started to fold several months after it? I'm not talking about interest in the fucking game. I'm talking about the impact of the business. This point cannot be overstated. It's so crucial in understanding BW's difficulties in finding sponsorship, despite the existence of a strong and loyal fanbase. Blizzard's IP rights fiasco was a large factor as well, again because corporations felt it might be risky to associate their brand name with something "illegal"/"unsanctioned". That's part of what's so frustrating for us BW fans - the Korean competitive scene is dying, but not because of any fault of the game itself or lack of passion from its players or fans, but because the money isn't there, and the money isn't there for stupid reasons - Savior, and Blizzard, to oversimplify it slightly. Teams are still getting paid their fully salary and there is no issue about sponsorship for individual teams . Using huge blanket statement like "Korean competitive scene is dying " is really interesting because for the past few days I have seen lots of competitive and moral supports from the fan even though according to you dying . LoL has been gathering lots of attention these day in Korea and has spark a lot of fans and sponsorship interest and this also mean there would be a lot of competitive scene for the Koreans . Also about money isn't there, BW teams company like Samsung,Stx,Skt1,WJ,CJ and KT are huge companies with lots of money to pay their players their salary . So there is money when teams are still getting sponsored . Although getting sponsorship for major events like OSL is a whole different thing . In my opinion greedy KT Rolster should sponsor this year osl and this will even out the criticism that KT is doing nothing while skt is sponsoring proleague .
What ? Hwaseung Oz, WMF and MBC disbanding was all about team sponsorship, and after a 3 round season, Team 8 has not found a sponsor yet.
Agree on KT sponsoring something, if they want to prove they are better than SK Telecom, they'd better sponsor a league :D
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On March 26 2012 17:43 endy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2012 17:29 Sawamura wrote:On March 26 2012 17:17 Funnytoss wrote:On March 26 2012 17:07 StarStruck wrote:On March 26 2012 13:49 j2choe wrote:On March 26 2012 05:38 StarStruck wrote:
BW PL Scandal doesn't look so good now guys. That was just the beginning of the end. ;x
Definitely left an impact on the scene. People seriously overstate the impact of the scandal. Ask yourself; did the scandal cause you to lose interest in the game? I doubt it. And the same answer probably applies to everyone else who watches this game; the scandal didn't cause anybody to walk away. As for people who weren't interested or only mildly in the game? I'm sure they didn't give a shit either way, and the scandal didn't do any more or any less to bring them into the scene. BW is dying because it hasn't been economically viable for a long time. Eventually, the revenue losses catch up to you, and in this business, when it rains it pours. The other reason is SC2 which created a split in the scene and a general perception that BW was aged out. It would have killed the scene a lot quicker if it were a better game. Since when? You think it's only a mere coincidence that KeSPA started to have a hard time finding sponsors and teams started to fold several months after it? I'm not talking about interest in the fucking game. I'm talking about the impact of the business. This point cannot be overstated. It's so crucial in understanding BW's difficulties in finding sponsorship, despite the existence of a strong and loyal fanbase. Blizzard's IP rights fiasco was a large factor as well, again because corporations felt it might be risky to associate their brand name with something "illegal"/"unsanctioned". That's part of what's so frustrating for us BW fans - the Korean competitive scene is dying, but not because of any fault of the game itself or lack of passion from its players or fans, but because the money isn't there, and the money isn't there for stupid reasons - Savior, and Blizzard, to oversimplify it slightly. Teams are still getting paid their fully salary and there is no issue about sponsorship for individual teams . Using huge blanket statement like "Korean competitive scene is dying " is really interesting because for the past few days I have seen lots of competitive and moral supports from the fan even though according to you dying . LoL has been gathering lots of attention these day in Korea and has spark a lot of fans and sponsorship interest and this also mean there would be a lot of competitive scene for the Koreans . Also about money isn't there, BW teams company like Samsung,Stx,Skt1,WJ,CJ and KT are huge companies with lots of money to pay their players their salary . So there is money when teams are still getting sponsored . Although getting sponsorship for major events like OSL is a whole different thing . In my opinion greedy KT Rolster should sponsor this year osl and this will even out the criticism that KT is doing nothing while skt is sponsoring proleague . What ? Hwaseung Oz, WMF and MBC disbanding was all about team sponsorship, and after a 3 round season, Team 8 has not found a sponsor yet. Agree on KT sponsoring something, if they want to prove they are better than SK Telecom, they'd better sponsor a league :D
OZ,Fox and MBC issue of sponsorship could be based on many factors 1) Company sees it's not worth it to follow this business model 2 ) Sponsoring a bw team ain't cheap 3) Company found other means to promote their product in a better way . Yeah KT should do something man, we are so freaking rich these days and KT Rolster has been promoting their product really well hence KT OSL please .
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On March 26 2012 17:47 Sawamura wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2012 17:43 endy wrote:On March 26 2012 17:29 Sawamura wrote:On March 26 2012 17:17 Funnytoss wrote:On March 26 2012 17:07 StarStruck wrote:On March 26 2012 13:49 j2choe wrote:On March 26 2012 05:38 StarStruck wrote:
BW PL Scandal doesn't look so good now guys. That was just the beginning of the end. ;x
Definitely left an impact on the scene. People seriously overstate the impact of the scandal. Ask yourself; did the scandal cause you to lose interest in the game? I doubt it. And the same answer probably applies to everyone else who watches this game; the scandal didn't cause anybody to walk away. As for people who weren't interested or only mildly in the game? I'm sure they didn't give a shit either way, and the scandal didn't do any more or any less to bring them into the scene. BW is dying because it hasn't been economically viable for a long time. Eventually, the revenue losses catch up to you, and in this business, when it rains it pours. The other reason is SC2 which created a split in the scene and a general perception that BW was aged out. It would have killed the scene a lot quicker if it were a better game. Since when? You think it's only a mere coincidence that KeSPA started to have a hard time finding sponsors and teams started to fold several months after it? I'm not talking about interest in the fucking game. I'm talking about the impact of the business. This point cannot be overstated. It's so crucial in understanding BW's difficulties in finding sponsorship, despite the existence of a strong and loyal fanbase. Blizzard's IP rights fiasco was a large factor as well, again because corporations felt it might be risky to associate their brand name with something "illegal"/"unsanctioned". That's part of what's so frustrating for us BW fans - the Korean competitive scene is dying, but not because of any fault of the game itself or lack of passion from its players or fans, but because the money isn't there, and the money isn't there for stupid reasons - Savior, and Blizzard, to oversimplify it slightly. Teams are still getting paid their fully salary and there is no issue about sponsorship for individual teams . Using huge blanket statement like "Korean competitive scene is dying " is really interesting because for the past few days I have seen lots of competitive and moral supports from the fan even though according to you dying . LoL has been gathering lots of attention these day in Korea and has spark a lot of fans and sponsorship interest and this also mean there would be a lot of competitive scene for the Koreans . Also about money isn't there, BW teams company like Samsung,Stx,Skt1,WJ,CJ and KT are huge companies with lots of money to pay their players their salary . So there is money when teams are still getting sponsored . Although getting sponsorship for major events like OSL is a whole different thing . In my opinion greedy KT Rolster should sponsor this year osl and this will even out the criticism that KT is doing nothing while skt is sponsoring proleague . What ? Hwaseung Oz, WMF and MBC disbanding was all about team sponsorship, and after a 3 round season, Team 8 has not found a sponsor yet. Agree on KT sponsoring something, if they want to prove they are better than SK Telecom, they'd better sponsor a league :D OZ,Fox and MBC issue of sponsorship could be based on many factors 1) Company sees it's not worth it to follow this business model 2 ) Sponsoring a bw team ain't cheap 3) Company found other means to promote their product in a better
So how can you say there is no sponsorship issues for teams ?
Even assuming the Proleague season 2 would be BW only (which I doubt now :'( ), I'd be afraid that T8 can't continue because of the absence of sponsor, or that a team like Woongjin Stars would disband.
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On March 26 2012 17:56 endy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2012 17:47 Sawamura wrote:On March 26 2012 17:43 endy wrote:On March 26 2012 17:29 Sawamura wrote:On March 26 2012 17:17 Funnytoss wrote:On March 26 2012 17:07 StarStruck wrote:On March 26 2012 13:49 j2choe wrote:On March 26 2012 05:38 StarStruck wrote:
BW PL Scandal doesn't look so good now guys. That was just the beginning of the end. ;x
Definitely left an impact on the scene. People seriously overstate the impact of the scandal. Ask yourself; did the scandal cause you to lose interest in the game? I doubt it. And the same answer probably applies to everyone else who watches this game; the scandal didn't cause anybody to walk away. As for people who weren't interested or only mildly in the game? I'm sure they didn't give a shit either way, and the scandal didn't do any more or any less to bring them into the scene. BW is dying because it hasn't been economically viable for a long time. Eventually, the revenue losses catch up to you, and in this business, when it rains it pours. The other reason is SC2 which created a split in the scene and a general perception that BW was aged out. It would have killed the scene a lot quicker if it were a better game. Since when? You think it's only a mere coincidence that KeSPA started to have a hard time finding sponsors and teams started to fold several months after it? I'm not talking about interest in the fucking game. I'm talking about the impact of the business. This point cannot be overstated. It's so crucial in understanding BW's difficulties in finding sponsorship, despite the existence of a strong and loyal fanbase. Blizzard's IP rights fiasco was a large factor as well, again because corporations felt it might be risky to associate their brand name with something "illegal"/"unsanctioned". That's part of what's so frustrating for us BW fans - the Korean competitive scene is dying, but not because of any fault of the game itself or lack of passion from its players or fans, but because the money isn't there, and the money isn't there for stupid reasons - Savior, and Blizzard, to oversimplify it slightly. Teams are still getting paid their fully salary and there is no issue about sponsorship for individual teams . Using huge blanket statement like "Korean competitive scene is dying " is really interesting because for the past few days I have seen lots of competitive and moral supports from the fan even though according to you dying . LoL has been gathering lots of attention these day in Korea and has spark a lot of fans and sponsorship interest and this also mean there would be a lot of competitive scene for the Koreans . Also about money isn't there, BW teams company like Samsung,Stx,Skt1,WJ,CJ and KT are huge companies with lots of money to pay their players their salary . So there is money when teams are still getting sponsored . Although getting sponsorship for major events like OSL is a whole different thing . In my opinion greedy KT Rolster should sponsor this year osl and this will even out the criticism that KT is doing nothing while skt is sponsoring proleague . What ? Hwaseung Oz, WMF and MBC disbanding was all about team sponsorship, and after a 3 round season, Team 8 has not found a sponsor yet. Agree on KT sponsoring something, if they want to prove they are better than SK Telecom, they'd better sponsor a league :D OZ,Fox and MBC issue of sponsorship could be based on many factors 1) Company sees it's not worth it to follow this business model 2 ) Sponsoring a bw team ain't cheap 3) Company found other means to promote their product in a better So how can you say there is no sponsorship issues for teams ? Even assuming the Proleague season 2 would be BW only (which I doubt now :'( ), I'd be afraid that T8 can't continue because of the absence of sponsor, or that a team like Woongjin Stars would disband.
Well let me rephrase that, no sponsorship issue for teams that are performing well because if you see teams that have always post positive records and wins .It's very unlikely for teams like this to be folded up pretty quickly, you got to keep your sponsors happy by winning some titles you know.
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There is more to it than just performing well.
SK, KT, Khan, CJ have the backing to do it. Not only that but they have Star Power going for them too.
MBC was already on the way out when they made the decision to sport another KPop channel and there are several reasons for this even though their viewership ratings were still good.
This isn't about fan support. I'm focusing on the business side more than anything else and reasons why new investors would be stubborn to jump onboard and there are many reasons as to why they don't want to.
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On March 26 2012 13:49 j2choe wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2012 05:38 StarStruck wrote:
BW PL Scandal doesn't look so good now guys. That was just the beginning of the end. ;x
Definitely left an impact on the scene. People seriously overstate the impact of the scandal. Ask yourself; did the scandal cause you to lose interest in the game? I doubt it. And the same answer probably applies to everyone else who watches this game; the scandal didn't cause anybody to walk away. As for people who weren't interested or only mildly in the game? I'm sure they didn't give a shit either way, and the scandal didn't do any more or any less to bring them into the scene.
I don't think too many people actually watch BW solely because it's a good game. The players matter, too.
BW is dying because it hasn't been economically viable for a long time. Eventually, the revenue losses catch up to you, and in this business, when it rains it pours. The other reason is SC2 which created a split in the scene and a general perception that BW was aged out. It would have killed the scene a lot quicker if it were a better game.
SC2 had almost no effect on the BW scene because SC2 had basically zero fanbase in Korea for the longest time and BW's foreign fanbase is worth exactly $0 because we all pirate it.
BW's big problem was that it was really huge, then deflated a bit thanks to the scandal, but is still paying 6-figure salaries to top players. There's more money in BW than in any other e-sport, but they also SPEND a lot more. This is part of what killed foreign Warcraft 3, where the players were making big bucks the scene couldn't support.
On March 26 2012 13:55 RezChi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2012 13:49 j2choe wrote:On March 26 2012 05:38 StarStruck wrote:
BW PL Scandal doesn't look so good now guys. That was just the beginning of the end. ;x
Definitely left an impact on the scene. People seriously overstate the impact of the scandal. Ask yourself; did the scandal cause you to lose interest in the game? I doubt it. And the same answer probably applies to everyone else who watches this game; the scandal didn't cause anybody to walk away. As for people who weren't interested or only mildly in the game? I'm sure they didn't give a shit either way, and the scandal didn't do any more or any less to bring them into the scene. BW is dying because it hasn't been economically viable for a long time. Eventually, the revenue losses catch up to you, and in this business, when it rains it pours. The other reason is SC2 which created a split in the scene and a general perception that BW was aged out. It would have killed the scene a lot quicker if it were a better game. Are you stupid? The scandal has NOTHING to do with people interested in the game or not. It's all about BIG COMPANIES WANTING TO INVEST IN BROODWAR, BUT SAVIOR AND THE SCANDAL GUYS FUCKED SHIT UP. No company wanted to invest in OSL or MSL thanks to them.
Calmense.
On March 26 2012 14:00 Sawamura wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2012 13:49 j2choe wrote:On March 26 2012 05:38 StarStruck wrote:
BW PL Scandal doesn't look so good now guys. That was just the beginning of the end. ;x
Definitely left an impact on the scene. People seriously overstate the impact of the scandal. Ask yourself; did the scandal cause you to lose interest in the game? I doubt it. And the same answer probably applies to everyone else who watches this game; the scandal didn't cause anybody to walk away. As for people who weren't interested or only mildly in the game? I'm sure they didn't give a shit either way, and the scandal didn't do any more or any less to bring them into the scene. BW is dying because it hasn't been economically viable for a long time. Eventually, the revenue losses catch up to you, and in this business, when it rains it pours. The other reason is SC2 which created a split in the scene and a general perception that BW was aged out. It would have killed the scene a lot quicker if it were a better game. Sadly bw isn't dying in korea and not when those huge crowds of fan gathering to cheer for their teams which is seen in yesterday Khan v KT play off D2 . However on another note sc2 isn't really doing well in korea and it is really dying to games like LoL and MMORPG games . Which is quite sad for sc2 and if LoL becomes the new starcraft bw, I think it's a better successor rather than starcraft 2 .
Nitpick: While SC2 is tiny and LoL surpassed it, SC2 crowds are still getting progressively bigger. They're just not getting bigger fast enough. The SC2 scene is going to collapse, with less successful tournaments/teams dying and the rest benefitting from fewer slices in the pie, but that's because its growth was overestimated, not because it's shrinking, exactly.
I like the point that most like to call BW dying, but when I see little aspiring jaedong,bisu,flash and stork kids who come to cheer for this players . My hope in bw only revitalised to show there is hope that this kid will carry the torch and play bw professionally . On conclusion, like I mention earlier this XXX game dying thing is getting boring really fast and it's not making any of us happy . You don't want me chanting sc2 is dying because of LoL or other games do you ?
The BW scene can exist in a slightly smaller form. Absolutely nothing stopping that. It's way bigger than SC2, and SC2 can exist, therefore BW can exist. Just maybe not in it's current form.
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On March 25 2012 07:47 ImbaTosS wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2012 07:25 BlackGosu wrote:
this is great. we have all been waiting for A teamers to switch to sc2, and after 2 years, the waiting has paid off SC2-ers alternate saying their game and players are good, and then saying the exact opposite in the form of posts like this one. You really believe all your players are second string? I'll let you stew in that.
Seems like you missed this or just ignored this response to you before so i'll just hit you up again.
On March 25 2012 13:41 ePLocust wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2012 07:47 ImbaTosS wrote:On March 25 2012 07:25 BlackGosu wrote:
this is great. we have all been waiting for A teamers to switch to sc2, and after 2 years, the waiting has paid off SC2-ers alternate saying their game and players are good, and then saying the exact opposite in the form of posts like this one. You really believe all your players are second string? I'll let you stew in that. They were second string in BROOD WAR. They are now top tier in STARCRAFT 2. When you look at these things think about the game in which they're being judged. As a SC2 fan I can never say "MKP is so much better than Flash" because they're 2 objects that are not comparable. They're playing different games. I think it would be interesting to see how the top bw pros compare to the top starcraft 2 pros after they switch (if they switch) but until then you can't compare BW ranking with sc2 ranking no matter how much you want to hate on starcraft 2 and its community.
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But but ESPORTS!
I could totally see stork playing LOL, Jaedong will probably be forced to enter Uni by his parents, dunno about Flash.
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JD was already pursuing some classes while playing.
Really have no clue where he will end up in this scenario.
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Flash was playing 60 games of SC2 a day while recovering from surgery, according to Naniwa at MLG.
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On March 27 2012 02:31 cuppatea wrote:
Flash was playing 60 games of SC2 a day while recovering from surgery, according to Naniwa at MLG.
Yes, and my 80 years old grandmother opered twice of both hips runs a marathon every months.
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