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On March 25 2012 22:29 acrylicjoker wrote:
Man, maybe I shouldn't have said anything.
The more I think the more I believe that something like this shouldn't be said so casually. Hopefully players don't get into trouble for talking about it if it's meant to be something under the wraps or something
Its probably fine if they talk about it with some random guy (no offense shakuras-mate). Anyway, it will probably just be 3 rounds. They would test the fan reaction and go from there. If majority of the fans will complain then theyll switch back to full BW and if it is indeed true that most korean fans are fans of the players and not the game then they'd probably switch to full sc2.
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I dunno about that. Like all the fans, especially the fan girls, have really good knowledge of the game from what I could see.
Despite being fans of the players, they do expect an entertaining game.
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fixed for you
edit1: btw, onester looks quite creepy in that screenshot
edit2: woah and theres a even creepier guy in the back
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As a fan of both games, that idea is just bizarre on both a practical level and a conceptual level. Practically, do they expect all 8 teams to take on additional players for the SC2 sets? Will they have rookies switch full-time to SC2 while their current aces keep practicing BW full-time? Are they going to have their rosters split their focus between the two, dragging down the quality of matches for both games?
I'm having my doubts about this working. It might energize both scenes if it somehow does work though, but that seems like too much of a long shot.
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lol @ the skyhigh sign, I didn't see that during the broadcast xS
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On March 26 2012 02:21 Scribble wrote:
As a fan of both games, that idea is just bizarre on both a practical level and a conceptual level. Practically, do they expect all 8 teams to take on additional players for the SC2 sets? Will they have rookies switch full-time to SC2 while their current aces keep practicing BW full-time? Are they going to have their rosters split their focus between the two, dragging down the quality of matches for both games?
I'm having my doubts about this working. It might energize both scenes if it somehow does work though, but that seems like too much of a long shot.
According to milkis
On March 26 2012 02:28 Milkis wrote:
All of this bitching about BW vs SC2 is retarded right now. Both are struggling. KeSPA knows that BW's time is up -- it is IMPOSSIBLE to get sponsors right now. Absolutely freaking impossible. Even if you had one of the most successful OSLs of all time and a literal cinderella story unfolding in Proleague last season, despite how kickass the leagues was, it's absolutely failing to get sponsors.
Stop comparing sponsors ffs. GOM Leagues are a lot cheaper to sponsor. OSLs cost 5x more than a GOM League to sponsor because there's a lot of fixed costs involved in TV production. No one wanted to sponsor proleague so SK just took one of their subsidiaries and used that to "sponsor" a league. OSL couldn't get a sponsor so Korean Air had to bail them out again, specifically because the daughter of Korean Air's CEO is a huge freaking fan of Brood War. No one is even thinking of sponsoring team 8.
They're both in ridiculously tough spots. BW is on a huge decline and SC2 is growing too slowly because GOM has no idea how to promote their leagues. SC2 is literally the last hope that everyone is clinging onto right now because if they're late LoL is going to devour them and draw all the sponsorship money. SC2 still has many things going for it (for one, it's freaking global). BW does not, it's literally sucked dry at this point.
So stop bitching about sponsoring. Saying that BW sponsors are bigger therefore better doesn't matter because BW is like a balloon that popped and is shrinking and no one is willing to try and pump air back in. At least SC2 has new ways of marketing, but SC2 has a rough as hell road ahead because SC2 is even more dead in Korea but there's some glimmer of potential
Sadly it's not about how good the game is but it's always more about popularity.
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On March 26 2012 01:18 fabiano wrote:+ Show Spoiler +fixed for you edit1: btw, onester looks quite creepy in that screenshot edit2: woah and theres a even creepier guy in the back
I love starcraft in my very own weird way...
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i cant believe they're going to do it this way (if this is in fact true). i like the comparison made here
On March 24 2012 00:56 Ozarugold wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 00:53 Nemesis wrote:On March 24 2012 00:52 GTR wrote:
i'd rather see one game rather than the mix of games, what the fuck.
this is like mixing special force + counter strike sets in one match. THIS. This is why if this happens proleague is dead to me. Imagine if this was done in sports. Play football (American) in the first half then football (soccer) the second half. Overtime would be rugby.
they are two completely different games and staking one team's victory on a starcraft 2 victory (if for instance it is the ace match - or just in general lmao) is ridiculous. yes, i primarily watch sc2 now, but i love the shit out of brood war and to violate proleague with sc2 (and its flaws) in this manner, it would be terrible, IMO. i hope this isn't true :/
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BW PL Scandal doesn't look so good now guys. That was just the beginning of the end. ;x
Definitely left an impact on the scene.
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On March 26 2012 02:46 BluemoonSC wrote:i cant believe they're going to do it this way (if this is in fact true). i like the comparison made here Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 00:56 Ozarugold wrote:On March 24 2012 00:53 Nemesis wrote:On March 24 2012 00:52 GTR wrote:
i'd rather see one game rather than the mix of games, what the fuck.
this is like mixing special force + counter strike sets in one match. THIS. This is why if this happens proleague is dead to me. Imagine if this was done in sports. Play football (American) in the first half then football (soccer) the second half. Overtime would be rugby. they are two completely different games and staking one team's victory on a starcraft 2 victory (if for instance it is the ace match - or just in general lmao) is ridiculous. yes, i primarily watch sc2 now, but i love the shit out of brood war and to violate proleague with sc2 (and its flaws) in this manner, it would be terrible, IMO. i hope this isn't true :/
+ Show Spoiler +Imagine this was done in a board game competition. Play Chess in round one Play Shogi in round 2 ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/I8MiS.png) and finish it up with Mahjong as a tie breaker ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/FGivI.jpg)
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what the hell? a huge joke? this is ridiculous
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This is like the weirdest possible solution and I sympathise with all the bw fans.
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This is a pretty transparent attempt to kill BW and ride on the coattails of its success, at least logically. Perhaps that's not the intent, but that's what would happen.
There aren't enough sponsors as it is - as such, it would be pretty hard to imagine each team recruiting another 6-8 players dedicated to SC2. But they have to field players, and so they just have to use their BW roster. As I'm guessing players have some pride as competitors, they'll have to practice SC2 so their games don't end up like total shit, which will inevitably reduce their level of BW play, and it just feels like it'll be a downward spiral until SC2 is the only financial option available for the players.
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Didn't Stork say he played sc2 and it was easy shit, and that he might consider L.O.L progaming if he stops bw?
Fuck this shit, i want my Byung Goo forever!!!
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On March 26 2012 11:54 RezChi wrote:
Didn't Stork say he played sc2 and it was easy shit, and that he might consider L.O.L progaming if he stops bw?
Fuck this shit, i want my Byung Goo forever!!!
I downloaded LoL, when i read that interview. i havent opened it yet. I'm waiting for Stork.
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Thankfully I enjoy both games, but this is a crazy idea and would make things incredibly weird to watch. How would new fans follow it? They'd have to know both games!
An example:
In BW, general statistics say T > Z > P > T but only slightly. There are also trends of the reverse. And the advantage is only negligible in the immediate games (most of the games which established this trend were played before the modern era).
In SC2, it's more like P > Z if deathball stage, Z > P if swarmy, P > Z if cheesy, Z > P if expanding is not stopped. Then Z > T if late game, T > Z if cheesy, Z > T if bust + greedy terran, T > Z if you multitask like a pro. The P > T for standard, T > P for multitask monsters.
Meh, it would really be pretty strange. You wouldn't know who had the coaching advantage. Then you'd have to get used to the different graphics. Really really weird. Either have them separate, or kill one off. Stop straddling the fence.
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On March 26 2012 12:22 Caladbolg wrote:
Thankfully I enjoy both games, but this is a crazy idea and would make things incredibly weird to watch. How would new fans follow it? They'd have to know both games!
An example:
In BW, general statistics say T > Z > P > T but only slightly. There are also trends of the reverse. And the advantage is only negligible in the immediate games (most of the games which established this trend were played before the modern era).
In SC2, it's more like P > Z if deathball stage, Z > P if swarmy, P > Z if cheesy, Z > P if expanding is not stopped. Then Z > T if late game, T > Z if cheesy, Z > T if bust + greedy terran, T > Z if you multitask like a pro. The P > T for standard, T > P for multitask monsters.
Meh, it would really be pretty strange. You wouldn't know who had the coaching advantage. Then you'd have to get used to the different graphics. Really really weird. Either have them separate, or kill one off. Stop straddling the fence.
You could generalize anything to the point of bastardization too...You could say some of the same stuff against BW but in reality different matches are different matches and theres a lot of different things that can happen. Explain how someone can have more than a 50% win rate if there's set "matchup wins"..that's just a retarded argument.
Obviously mixing them is kinda weird. But they're struggling with money so I'm all for it if it just means more BW and more SC2, really.
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On March 26 2012 05:38 StarStruck wrote:
BW PL Scandal doesn't look so good now guys. That was just the beginning of the end. ;x
Definitely left an impact on the scene.
People seriously overstate the impact of the scandal. Ask yourself; did the scandal cause you to lose interest in the game? I doubt it. And the same answer probably applies to everyone else who watches this game; the scandal didn't cause anybody to walk away. As for people who weren't interested or only mildly in the game? I'm sure they didn't give a shit either way, and the scandal didn't do any more or any less to bring them into the scene.
BW is dying because it hasn't been economically viable for a long time. Eventually, the revenue losses catch up to you, and in this business, when it rains it pours. The other reason is SC2 which created a split in the scene and a general perception that BW was aged out. It would have killed the scene a lot quicker if it were a better game.
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On March 26 2012 13:49 j2choe wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2012 05:38 StarStruck wrote:
BW PL Scandal doesn't look so good now guys. That was just the beginning of the end. ;x
Definitely left an impact on the scene. People seriously overstate the impact of the scandal. Ask yourself; did the scandal cause you to lose interest in the game? I doubt it. And the same answer probably applies to everyone else who watches this game; the scandal didn't cause anybody to walk away. As for people who weren't interested or only mildly in the game? I'm sure they didn't give a shit either way, and the scandal didn't do any more or any less to bring them into the scene. BW is dying because it hasn't been economically viable for a long time. Eventually, the revenue losses catch up to you, and in this business, when it rains it pours. The other reason is SC2 which created a split in the scene and a general perception that BW was aged out. It would have killed the scene a lot quicker if it were a better game.
Are you stupid? The scandal has NOTHING to do with people interested in the game or not. It's all about BIG COMPANIES WANTING TO INVEST IN BROODWAR, BUT SAVIOR AND THE SCANDAL GUYS FUCKED SHIT UP. No company wanted to invest in OSL or MSL thanks to them.
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On March 26 2012 13:49 j2choe wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2012 05:38 StarStruck wrote:
BW PL Scandal doesn't look so good now guys. That was just the beginning of the end. ;x
Definitely left an impact on the scene. People seriously overstate the impact of the scandal. Ask yourself; did the scandal cause you to lose interest in the game? I doubt it. And the same answer probably applies to everyone else who watches this game; the scandal didn't cause anybody to walk away. As for people who weren't interested or only mildly in the game? I'm sure they didn't give a shit either way, and the scandal didn't do any more or any less to bring them into the scene. BW is dying because it hasn't been economically viable for a long time. Eventually, the revenue losses catch up to you, and in this business, when it rains it pours. The other reason is SC2 which created a split in the scene and a general perception that BW was aged out. It would have killed the scene a lot quicker if it were a better game.
Sadly bw isn't dying in korea and not when those huge crowds of fan gathering to cheer for their teams which is seen in yesterday Khan v KT play off D2 . However on another note sc2 isn't really doing well in korea and it is really dying to games like LoL and MMORPG games . Which is quite sad for sc2 and if LoL becomes the new starcraft bw, I think it's a better successor rather than starcraft 2 .
Take a look at this statistics
On March 26 2012 13:11 rift wrote:
1 League of Legends RTS 14.01%
2 Sudden Attack FPS 13.58%
3 Aion RPG 11.64%
4 FIFA Online 2 Sport 5.92%
5 StarCraft RTS 5.25%
6 Warcraft 3 RTS 4.87%
7 Lineage RPG 3.76%
8 Lineage 2 RPG 2.28%
9 World of Warcraft RPG 2.26%
10 Terra RPG 2.25%
PC Baang (PC Cafe) Top 10
SC2 is in the 20s, I think
I see LoL, Broodwar and Wc3 is the most played game by koreans youngsters in pc bang and no sight of Sc2 . What does this mean to you ? If you are talking about global impact sc2 is pretty huge only in most foreign country like the u.s and most of europe . If you take into consideration of Asian countries, I don't see sc2 having any huge fanbase here not when we can play Dota2 and LoL which is much more casual and fun to play with friends .
I like the point that most like to call BW dying, but when I see little aspiring jaedong,bisu,flash and stork kids who come to cheer for this players . My hope in bw only revitalised to show there is hope that this kid will carry the torch and play bw professionally . On conclusion, like I mention earlier this XXX game dying thing is getting boring really fast and it's not making any of us happy . You don't want me chanting sc2 is dying because of LoL or other games do you ?
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