EPTOn March 25 2012 09:10 shaftofpleasure wrote:
A buff person doesn't mean he can fight. lol
A buff person doesn't mean he can fight. lol
I pray you never meet
Reach when he's angry...Rumors on SC Proleague Season 2 - Page 38
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amazingxkcd
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
I pray you never meet Reach when he's angry... | ||
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ffreakk
Singapore2155 Posts
On March 25 2012 10:47 TheGlassface wrote: I gotta say, Ribbon. You and this bridge attitude may be the worst I see here still. I respect what you're trying to do, but you just like to react too much. You're not teaching anyone anything, the game is easily accessible both in news (thanks TL) and video (again, thanks!) Hell, don't forget we either need an add-on or to get special settings just to get it off the main page. Let it go.+ Show Spoiler + The whole deal has and will always be silly. This "let's please everyone and we're all winners!" mentality never works and it certainly isn't going to when this new segmented PL shows up either. When will everyone learn that easily 1/2 of us BW players have tried, countless times, to get into this new SC. We wanted to like it, it was SC2s game to lose. We wanted it so bad most of us bought it on good faith. They are 2 entirely different games. The lack of mobile static defense alone makes an entirely new game. I don't want to wait for three expansions to have a complete game to watch. I had one. I don't want to have to share, lol. I didn't before and no sport before mine has. It's not about BW forever! We get it's dead, we just want to die in peace. Nothing you say is going to make someone see the light. No one is going to admit defeat (because we're just misunderstood  ) and every single person like me, who watched for the game and nothing more. To see S class play...well, we're gone. We're less than 5k easily, but we're gone the day BW is. You can find us on our servers, and we'd love to play a game. Kim Taek Yong Hwaiting! Brood War Hwaiting! I agree, that guy react way too much and doesn't bring anything new to the table. Plus, jumping in the middle of an argument with "you are both right" is only gonna annoy both sides. On March 25 2012 07:47 ImbaTosS wrote: SC2-ers alternate saying their game and players are good, and then saying the exact opposite in the form of posts like this one. You really believe all your players are second string? I'll let you stew in that. Remember when they all made such a big fuss in the "Elephant in the Room' thread? About how their pros are superstar, RTS geniuses that develop their talents after switching to SC2. And the fact that they were junk in Brood War, and that their talents didn't seem to develop at all in those many years playing it didn't matter at all? Hahaha reading these comments now, i guess they all believed it, but still argued in fear of having the SC2 scene's competition looking like a farce . | ||
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ZeaL.
United States5955 Posts
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On March 25 2012 10:24 Ribbon wrote: MLG has peak viewership in the 250k range 1. 241K+ 2. That was concurrent viewers for Providence (including LoL, and all that jazz) ._. | ||
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Hesmyrr
Canada5776 Posts
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Blasterion
China10272 Posts
No need to mix everything into one tournament, why not have AoE and SF2 and Tekken in proleague while they are at it. SC2 tournaments should be SC2 exclusive, Brood War tournaments should be just about Brood War. But now mahjong is a great addition to anything, I am all for mahjong in proleague yo. | ||
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amazingxkcd
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
On March 25 2012 11:52 Blasterion wrote: If I wanted SC2, I watch SC2, If wanted brood war I watch brood war, If I wanted mahjong I post in the TLNY Mahjong thread, No need to mix everything into one tournament, why not have AoE and SF2 and Tekken in proleague while they are at it. SC2 tournaments should be SC2 exclusive, Brood War tournaments should be just about Brood War. But now mahjong is a great addition to anything, I am all for mahjong in proleague yo. IDK man, Chess seems like a better option. It'll attract the western viewers moreso than mahjong | ||
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RageCommodore
Germany912 Posts
On March 25 2012 11:29 ZeaL. wrote: I would gladly pay $10 a month to watch PL without any sc2 shenanigans. I wish OGN could somehow monetize all of us bw fans not in korea =[ Then write a freaking letter to OGN and tell them. I really think that they havce no idea how many foreign fans their league has. If they get a strong enough response, they might be changing their plans. And even if it doesn't work, it's better thna doing nothing. If an SC2 tounament organizer does stuff that the viewers don't want, they give tons of feedback. The BW community should do the same (again, I know that OGN probably won't listen). | ||
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VictorJones
United States235 Posts
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Ribbon
United States5278 Posts
On March 25 2012 10:47 TheGlassface wrote: The whole deal has and will always be silly. This "let's please everyone and we're all winners!" mentality never works and it certainly isn't going to when this new segmented PL shows up either. When will everyone learn that easily 1/2 of us BW players have tried, countless times, to get into this new SC. We wanted to like it, it was SC2s game to lose. We wanted it so bad most of us bought it on good faith. I honestly don't care if you only like BW. It's the BW section, and you're allowed to. I'm not actually trying to change anyone's mind on anything (except the idea that SC2 has to kill BW or be killed itself, while LoL somehow doesn't. Either there can only be one or there can't). If you think the game is boring, that's fine. If you like that BW has more mechanical skill, that's fine. I'm not going to argue that SC2 is anywhere near the level of BW on that count. I don't love the reaver as much as most of the BW scene, but it's fine if you do. And I'm certainly not going to argue that the colossus is better. Indeed, it actually is my opinion that BW is the better game, and that SC2, while it is improving in many ways, is unlikely to approach it unless 6m1g really takes off. Certainly not in the near future. I think that a lot of the hate (not the dislike, the hatred) of SC2 is overblown, and that a lot of SC2 fans need to stop blowing off BW as "So last year". The only thing I get miffed at is when people say things that are objectively false, like the idea that SC2 as an esport only exists because Blizzard pushed the scene so hard (???), or that it's impossible for any pro to really be better than any other pro, despite an 8-month period of two players (Nestea and MVP) winning damn near everything, and what appears to be another period of two players (MMA and DRG, with DRG starting to pull ahead notably) winning nearly everything. They are 2 entirely different games. The lack of mobile static defense alone makes an entirely new game. Infestors and High Templar are often used as drop defense, and Spine Crawlers are increasingly being treated as a unit because they're so cheap and the creep mechanic makes it easy to relocate them. Terran has Siege Tanks still, and the new Shredder unit in HotS I'm pretty sure is going to get dropped before launch. You can say that 3 lurkers on a ramp are way BETTER than SC2's defenses, and that's a perfectly valid opinion you're entitled to have. I'm not trying to make value judgements or cast doubt on yours, nor am I in the mood for an SC2 vs BW fight, since I legitimately believe BW is better, and the enjoyment I derive from SC2 (of seeing builds rise and fall in clever ways) is an enjoyment I recognize most people don't share. There are plenty of reasons to think BW is a better game that are true and/or a matter of opinion, and I won't dispute any of them. I don't want to wait for three expansions to have a complete game to watch. I had one. I don't want to have to share, lol. I didn't before and no sport before mine has. It's not about BW forever! We get it's dead, we just want to die in peace. Fair enough. I really don't think BW is dead, though. Nor that it's terminal. Even if KeSPA abandons it (and I'm not sure it will), there'll always be a scene. It'll just be a little smaller. Nothing you say is going to make someone see the light. Trust me, I know. No one has ever changed their minds from an SC2 vs BW Flamewar. No one's ever going to No one is going to admit defeat (because we're just misunderstood ) and every single person like me, who watched for the game and nothing more. To see S class play...well, we're gone. We're less than 5k easily, but we're gone the day BW is. You can find us on our servers, and we'd love to play a game. You can find me on ICCUP sometimes, too. Getting smashed, but hanging on | ||
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Blasterion
China10272 Posts
On March 25 2012 11:56 amazingxkcd wrote: IDK man, Chess seems like a better option. It'll attract the western viewers moreso than mahjong Chess low skill cap, stagnant metagame, no future | ||
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Gingerninja
United Kingdom1339 Posts
On March 25 2012 12:16 Blasterion wrote: Chess low skill cap, stagnant metagame, no future White is OP, needs a nerf. Don't get me wrong I'm psyched that SC2 might be getting a pro-league, but mixing the 2 games together makes no sense, not inside a single tournament anyway. | ||
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Blasterion
China10272 Posts
On March 25 2012 12:27 Gingerninja wrote: White is OP, needs a nerf. Don't get me wrong I'm psyched that SC2 might be getting a pro-league, but mixing the 2 games together makes no sense, not inside a single tournament anyway. White is fine, black needs to l2p | ||
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ZeaL.
United States5955 Posts
On March 25 2012 11:56 RageCommodore wrote: Then write a freaking letter to OGN and tell them. I really think that they havce no idea how many foreign fans their league has. If they get a strong enough response, they might be changing their plans. And even if it doesn't work, it's better thna doing nothing. If an SC2 tounament organizer does stuff that the viewers don't want, they give tons of feedback. The BW community should do the same (again, I know that OGN probably won't listen). I figured it would be a good idea to try to do this and maybe start a trend of foreigners showing interest in but ongamenet's website is completely indecipherable to someone who doesn't know korean  . Anyone know an e-mail acct I should msg? | ||
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_Quasar_
Russian Federation4405 Posts
On March 24 2012 00:50 Kipsate wrote: wtf is all I can say | ||
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duncan.mc
United States231 Posts
On March 25 2012 13:00 ZeaL. wrote: I figured it would be a good idea to try to do this and maybe start a trend of foreigners showing interest in but ongamenet's website is completely indecipherable to someone who doesn't know korean . Anyone know an e-mail acct I should msg?Sadly, I really don't think there's anywhere near enough foreign audience to justify OGN setting up and maintaining a foreign stream and paying English casters. There's only about 2k of us watching the SPL playoffs live right now. I'm not sure but I'd estimate another 2k max watch Sayle's rebroadcast. Then it's just the VOD viewers after that which is likely higher but not significantly higher. Even if it's 10k (judging by VOD view counts), you're looking at less than 15k in the rest of the world who are watching the playoffs, the pinnacle of SPL action. Adding a cost to watch would bring that viewer total down even more. Of course if they create an English stream there'd obviously be more viewers but based on that abysmally low number I wouldn't even think about opening a world-wide stream if I were OGN. | ||
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ePLocust
United States587 Posts
On March 25 2012 07:47 ImbaTosS wrote: SC2-ers alternate saying their game and players are good, and then saying the exact opposite in the form of posts like this one. You really believe all your players are second string? I'll let you stew in that. They were second string in BROOD WAR. They are now top tier in STARCRAFT 2. When you look at these things think about the game in which they're being judged. As a SC2 fan I can never say "MKP is so much better than Flash" because they're 2 objects that are not comparable. They're playing different games. I think it would be interesting to see how the top bw pros compare to the top starcraft 2 pros after they switch (if they switch) but until then you can't compare BW ranking with sc2 ranking no matter how much you want to hate on starcraft 2 and its community. | ||
Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On March 25 2012 12:12 VictorJones wrote: I can't believe this is how they will implement sc2. Mixing the games? ... What? Whose bright idea.. If you think about it, it makes a lot of sense to do it. If you look at the majority of Korean BW fans you see that they aren't necessarily fans of the game first, rather they are fans of the players first. For instance, Reach playing BW is the same as Reach playing SC2 for a lot of people - they don't care what he is playing, rather that he is playing. Sure there might have been a time when playing BW and being a BW celebrity were one in the same, but we passed that time a long time ago. Following this train of thought, if you can get the current BW fans to watch their favorite players play SC2 then you will start to see a natural transition of BW to SC2 without losing the majority of the fanbase. Hence, SC2 succeeds BW and everyone* is happy. *everyone except people who are fans of the game first, which a lot of foreigners are | ||
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ghostnuke1234
164 Posts
On March 25 2012 11:13 Seraphic wrote: Why is Blizzard pushing so hard on this? Why can't they just let BW be? (If it was indeed Blizzard's idea.) It's KESPA and OGN that want to broadcast SC2. Obviously, there are issues with sponsorship and a dwindling fan base in BW so KESPA/OGN are preparing to add SC2 to their broadcast. If BW were growing, bringing in new sponsors, and the fan base was growing, I doubt KESPA/OGN would bother with these negotiations. You should know this already though - MBC leaving the BW scene was a hint at what is happening to BW in Korea. | ||
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Ryo
8787 Posts
On March 25 2012 15:25 ghostnuke1234 wrote: It's KESPA and OGN that want to broadcast SC2. Obviously, there are issues with sponsorship and a dwindling fan base in BW so KESPA/OGN are preparing to add SC2 to their broadcast. If BW were growing, bringing in new sponsors, and the fan base was growing, I doubt KESPA/OGN would bother with these negotiations. You should know this already though - MBC leaving the BW scene was a hint at what is happening to BW in Korea. I wish people would stop using MBCGame as an example. Because there really were other problems with that channel that also caused MBC Media to pull the plug on its entire e-sports operations. | ||
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