SC SUM - StarCraft Super Unit Mod

On March 09 2012 11:31 hacklebeast wrote:
flying invisible siege tanks that shoot air? You sick bastard.

edit: oh and it has a rechargeable nuke...

On March 09 2012 11:40 Golgotha wrote:


and cloak lol

On March 09 2012 11:40 Golgotha wrote:


and cloak lol

On March 09 2012 12:06 eviltomahawk wrote:
Siege Cruiser still is not enough to beat Flash.

Neither is the Mothership or the giant Zerg cockroach bug thing.

On March 09 2012 12:03 IntoTheheart wrote:
Does this interfere with the regular game, or does it stay after I download it?

On March 09 2012 12:15 Archers_bane wrote:
Im on my phone, and its slow..can anyone tell me what zergs get out of this?! All I read is terran tanks nukes BC's and motherships

On March 09 2012 12:36 Golgotha wrote:


we get a giant bug that is a super ultralisk with the powers of a defiler.

On March 09 2012 12:11 Golgotha wrote:


siege cruiser is flash's wet dream

On March 09 2012 13:06 sluggaslamoo wrote:


Hes probably working on a 3 base 2:1 Siege Cruiser timing right now.

Jammer Sweep
available by default
Cost: 50 Range: unlimited

The Jammer Sweep is based on the same technology as the Scanner Sweep of the ComSat Station. Jammer Sweep emitters use the same carrier frequency and have therefore equal properties concerning range and energy cost, but the effects of the two abilities are quite contrary. Jammer Sweeps serve the purpose of distraction instead of reconnaissance.
Jammer Sweeps does not have detection capabilities, but units in the target area will suffer from jammed detectors and paralyzed optic nerves. The effect is applied to all units - no matter if friend or foe, ground or air - within a range of 4 around the target area and will cause a sight range of 1 and will deactivate any detection ability. This effect has a limited duration of 10 seconds. After this duration has elapsed all affected units will be restored to normal sight. Note that this effect can be removed immediately with Medic´s Restoration ablility.
Affected units will display the tag 'Jammed' in their information box when selected.

On March 09 2012 13:37 Hesmyrr wrote:
If I am allowed to delve a little bit into theorycrafting, I'd say implementing this mod to be played on pro-games will actually have little effect.

While cost of these super units are well-deserved it still means that anyone looking to utilize this units will leave themselves for fatal timing attack any good players can exploit (the cheapest cost of one of these units is 1200/1200. Even when mass carrier switch creates enough weakness for good player to straight up exploit, it's easy to imagine progamers cheering for their opponent to go super units). Of course, once created single super unit can have significant impact straight away so I might find myself pleasantly surprised. I imagine progamers will keep counter units like Science Vessel, Dark Archon, and defiler/queen/scourge handy in case of the rainy day.

The biggest proponent of this patch will actually be Terran, not because of Siege Destroyer but due to their pre-requisite building; Fleet Headquarters. Priced at 200/200 (with max energy of 200), they are surprisingly affordable and by themselves offer overpowered ability.

I mentioned that progamers will refrain from going for super units in fear of creating fatal weakness. This is the only overpowered ability introduced on the mod that is actually very affordable. Even when my guess is wrong and super units become common part of the meta, this ability still stands out because how easy it is to get this add-on into the game. Terran will be using Jammer Sweep first before other race have their respective powerful abilities into the play.

I was formerly joking when I said Terran was overpowered, but upon consideration it does seem like they might hold some advantage. Of course I may be completely wrong - once Protoss gets mothership out their opponent has to play really defensively as its owner can backstab with strong army (due to shield injection) any time - so I should really wait for vods/streams but just want to put my thoughts out there. On high level the SU balance should turn out to be: Terran > Protoss > Zerg, and serve as bandwagon "win more" units on the lower levels where player do not have sufficient skill or already in a big disadvantage to properly punish a creation of super unit.

On March 09 2012 14:03 sluggaslamoo wrote:


Battlecruisers cost 400/300 and provide a fraction of the potential firepower, yet you often see mass Battlecruiser in TvT. Same goes for Ultras and Carriers.

On March 09 2012 13:37 Hesmyrr wrote:
If I am allowed to delve a little bit into theorycrafting, I'd say implementing this mod to be played on pro-games will actually have little effect.

While cost of these super units are well-deserved it still means that anyone looking to utilize this units will leave themselves for fatal timing attack any good players can exploit (the cheapest cost of one of these units is 1200/1200. Even when mass carrier switch creates enough weakness for good player to straight up exploit, it's easy to imagine progamers cheering for their opponent to go super units). Of course, once created single super unit can have significant impact straight away so I might find myself pleasantly surprised. I imagine progamers will keep counter units like Science Vessel, Dark Archon, and defiler/queen/scourge handy in case of the rainy day.

The biggest proponent of this patch will actually be Terran, not because of Siege Destroyer but due to their pre-requisite building; Fleet Headquarters. Priced at 200/200 (with max energy of 200), they are surprisingly affordable and by themselves offer overpowered ability.

I mentioned that progamers will refrain from going for super units in fear of creating fatal weakness. This is the only overpowered ability introduced on the mod that is actually very affordable. Even when my guess is wrong and super units become common part of the meta, this ability still stands out because how easy it is to get this add-on into the game. Terran will be using Jammer Sweep first before other race have their respective powerful abilities into the play.

I was formerly joking when I said Terran was overpowered, but upon consideration it does seem like they might hold some advantage. Of course I may be completely wrong - once Protoss gets mothership out their opponent has to play really defensively as its owner can backstab with strong army (due to shield injection) any time - so I should really wait for vods/streams but just want to put my thoughts out there. On high level the SU balance should turn out to be: Terran > Protoss > Zerg, and serve as bandwagon "win more" units on the lower levels where player do not have sufficient skill or already in a big disadvantage to properly punish a creation of super unit.

On March 09 2012 15:49 Golgotha wrote:
does anyone want to play a quick game with me on this showcasing the super units? NR10 :D and we duke it out. I'll stream it so people can watch later.

we gotta use hamachi

On March 09 2012 16:07 Battleship789 wrote:
Man, those units are ridiculous! :D

The Zerg one is especially crazy: its movespeed is higher than a crackling (and possibly equal to or greater than a speed vult) and its ground attacks have splash! O.o The mothership's Shield regen aura is awesome, as well! Its like having a shield battery that moves.



I'd be up for it.

On March 09 2012 16:11 Golgotha wrote:


gogogo

do you have skype? lets do it quick

On March 09 2012 17:05 skzlime wrote:
lol so random
i was half expecting the eradicator to lay eggs that spawn little maggots

On March 09 2012 17:46 Sahasrahla wrote:
Hey guys.

Thanks a lot. I wasn´t prepared for such amazing reactions.
I am currently sitting here with a big smile on my face. Thanks, thanks, thanks!

Let me answer some of your questions...

Concerning modification of the orginal game:
The original game files will not be changed in any way. The changes are only applied temporarily.

Concerning multiplayer:
The mod does obviously not work on B.net. But I had very good experience with the VPN software "Hamachi" which emulates a lan over internet.

@rupp_lekkens:
Sorry about the crash. I have no idea why this happens. Never seen this issue before.

Jammer Sweep imbalance:
You may be absolutly right, that it is available to fast and its to strong. I realy appreciate feedback like this. The balancing of this skill can easily changed by changing duration and/or radius. The reason to introduce this skill was that the SD turned out to be far to easy to kill with Scourges when decloaked. This skill should compensate this.

About noticing that the Eradicator looks exactly like the sandworms from Diablo 2:
You got me... ;-)

On March 09 2012 18:26 Battleship789 wrote:
Alright, as Golgatha said, found a bug!

With the Eradicator's Cannibalism ability, if you spam the ability on a unit (so you hit "c" then click the unit you want to eat, and then repeat over and over) you will regain 100 hp for every animation that occurs before the unit is finally killed. (The bug works with just Overlords all Zerg units.)

Not a bug, but possibly a problem: the Siege Destroyer can be repaired really quickly. As in, 200 damage per second quickly. (With only one SCV.) Then again, compared to the other units, maybe it isn't so crazy. (Easy 100 hp restore for Zerg and the upgraded Shield restoration is crazy.)

Quick suggestion, instead of having the Portal structure, could you instead make the mothership take just the Arbiter Tribunal and Fleet Beacon? It is rather annoying to not be able to exit out quick out of the advanced warp in tab, especially on a misclick.

Fun mod to play. I need to try it again soon. Looks very nice! Though having more than one mothership on the screen can be nausea inducing. :D

On March 10 2012 01:33 BLinD-RawR wrote:
wait the mother the what the shit!

I'd like to see a stream/rep/vod of someone playing this mod so bad now.

On March 10 2012 03:12 BisuDagger wrote:


Mind Controlling one unit can actually make a difference! Mothership + SicK Bastard Cruiser = Winning.

On March 10 2012 04:07 arbiter_md wrote:
Then we have to mind-control an SCV and build the sick-cruiser:-)

On March 10 2012 01:34 Iplaythings wrote:
Also please make a mini idiot safe install / uninstall guide for people like me who dont know how mod works to safe their life

On March 10 2012 14:12 Kyuukyuu wrote:
The zerg one is pretty underpowered compared to the other two, at least vs other humans. Plague is better than the spore thingy and the swarm is easy to avoid, + no consume, makes it worse than defiler :| Would much rather save 1200 gas for 6 ultras or 5 and a defiler etc.

idk just doesn't feel gamechanging like imba-bc and mothership

still tons of fun to make like 8 of them though

On March 10 2012 14:37 ArcTimes wrote:


what about a... "storm swarm" in mineral line. That time would f*** your mining.
And the spores thing is good cause it decrease the cooldown 12.5%. that means, slower units.

On March 10 2012 14:41 Taekwon wrote:
I tried recalling a warping mothership...

my game crashed...

On March 10 2012 07:33 Dead9 wrote:
iirc mods work over fish/iccup/battlenet but only if both of you have the mod installed
otherwise bw crashes

On March 10 2012 14:40 Kyuukyuu wrote:


Right, but I'm not spending 300 + 200 + 1200 gas to swarm the mineral lines. And I can just get Ensnare if I want to slow units down... it'd be a decent high tier unit akin to an arbiter, but not really godlike/tide-changing the way the others are, is what I'm saying.

On March 11 2012 04:16 HerrS wrote:
So, basically what I'm saying is that with an eradicator you have a speed shuttle loaded with two High Templars with
more hit points and armor than an ultralisk.

On March 11 2012 07:18 vOdToasT wrote:
If two players play this mod on iCCup in a ladder game, will it count towards ladder rank? :D

On March 11 2012 04:53 Kyuukyuu wrote:


But with a siege destroyer you have the dps of 8 tanks and a rechargable siege-tank-ranged nuke, with more hp and armor than an ultralisk too

It's not totally useless but a speed shuttle with two HTs isn't worth the cost. I guess the venom thing would be pretty good against mech though

On March 10 2012 21:24 kamikami wrote:


Actually on Garena it will work even if the opponent don't have the mod.

On March 12 2012 02:25 blubbdavid wrote:
Is it possible to use these units in the editor?

On March 12 2012 10:32 CardinalAllin wrote:
Some people were joking about having nightmares earlier in the thread. I just wanted to say I actually did have a dream with an Eradicator in it the other night, but it wasnt a nightmare, and it was awesome.

...

On March 09 2012 13:32 Black[CAT] wrote:
MOther of god...this looks amazing! DAT mothership!
How does one turn a 3D mothership into sprite like that?

On March 09 2012 17:53 Golgotha wrote:
hey Sahasrahla me and Battleship played a match but for some reason we couldnt see each other on LAN even though we were on hamachi. So we played on Fish Server

On March 09 2012 19:36 kamikami wrote:
Is there a way to disable the "mod activated" message at the start of the game ???

On March 12 2012 12:22 Meth wrote:
I just downloaded this and I'm eager to play it on multiplayer, I signed on to iCCup so I assume it works on there? I'd like to try and play some team games with other people wanting to try this MOD out!
Let's get a game going?!

On April 04 2012 23:05 CardinalAllin wrote:
Hi Sahasrahla, Ive just been looking through your website and Im now grinning ear to ear, it really is pretty darn cool. It would be really interesting to read some information from you, discussing anything you want to say about the mods development. Im sure there would be some very intriguing details about various problems you encountered or moments of passion when something awesome worked for the first time. When did you start working on the mod? How did you get the idea for it? Which websites do you visit for this kind of thing? etc

The most evil troubles I ran into occurred when I was trying to teach the Siege Destroyer to siege in air. On the first look everything works fine, but then I sieged it over a building... Kaboom! Instant death... It seems that some kind of space check is performed when applying siege mode. I tried everything: reducing the unit size to 0, reducing the turret sub unit size to zero, preventing siege mode over buildings (this worked but sucked a lot), preventing application of the space check. Nothing worked properly. It took me weeks and some grey hairs to find the hilarious solution:
Simply spoken, when the Siege Destroyer wants to die in this situation I tell him not to do so... Well, there is some additional mess-up in the internal state of the unit object regarding animation and status, but that was easy to solve.

On April 05 2012 03:14 Sahasrahla wrote:

Hi CardinalAllin,

well... let me give you some insight regarding motivation and development of this mod. Actually I wanted to write a post like the following one for quite some time, but missed the opportunity. Therefore: thank you for reminding me.

The initial idea for this mod was born during the time the first StarCraft II details were revealed. When I saw the SC2 Mothership for the first time I was thinking: Wow! A Super Unit! This damn thing kicks severe ass! Well... and then it turned out that Terran and Zerg will not get a counterpart and then the Mothership was weakened drastically, because it kicked to much ass.
(PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE let us not start a BW/SC2-flamewar here. This is not part of this thread.)
I questioned myself: A Super Unit that kicks to much ass? Bloody hell! Nonsense! What else shall a Super Unit do than kicking ass?!? So I decided to create my own interpretation of StarCraft with Super Units. I can´t remember when I was actually starting to work on this mod, but it must have been sometime in early 2009. There was a long time of checking the possibilities and realizing some early prototypes. And there were some month when I wasn´t working on the mod at all, especially during summer. Nevertheless I will not try to give an exact estimation of the hours I spent working on it... it must have been hundreds...

Quite early I set a bunch of primary goals for myself that I wanted to achieve with SC SUM:
Game style
The new units and skills shall look and feel like original StarCraft.
Race style
The new units and skills shall resemble existing ones of its race.
Concept
Creating an extension instead of replacing the original game concept.
Balancing
the Super Units shall kick ass like hell, but shall extend existing strategies instead of corrupting them.

Hopefully some of these objectives have been met.

To give you some ideas of what kind of trouble I ran into during development I will give you two examples:
1. Yeah! The damn Siege Destroyer is invincible... unless it encounters... a building
The most evil troubles I ran into occurred when I was trying to teach the Siege Destroyer to siege in air. On the first look everything works fine, but then I sieged it over a building... Kaboom! Instant death... It seems that some kind of space check is performed when applying siege mode. I tried everything: reducing the unit size to 0, reducing the turret sub unit size to zero, preventing siege mode over buildings (this worked but sucked a lot), preventing application of the space check. Nothing worked properly. It took me weeks and some grey hairs to find the hilarious solution:
Simply spoken, when the Siege Destroyer wants to die in this situation I tell him not to do so... Well, there is some additional mess-up in the internal state of the unit object regarding animation and status, but that was easy to solve.

Don´t stop spinning you stupid Mothership
The first animation script of the Mothership showed one major flaw. The animation was reset everytime the animation state changed. (animation states are: hold, moving, attack, cast spell, etc.) This caused realy ugly jumps in the rotation animation when starting or stopping the unit. The solution was again pathetically simple, but hard to find. The actual Mothership main sprite is a just a big red sphere. The graphic you see is a so-called "independent overlay" meaning it is not bound to the units animation cicle.
You might furthermore ask: why in the hell is the main sprite a big red sphere? Thats another story. It turned out that the actual pixels of the unit´s main sprite determine where it can be clicked with the cursor. (the color doesn´t matter btw)

Regarding your question concerning visited websites:
A good starting point is the well-known StarCraft modding community: BroodWarAI (http://www.broodwarai.com). Furthermore I got some fancy ideas on http://www.modcrafters.com , but this site seems to be quite inactive lately.

If you have any further technical or conceptual questions, please feel free to ask.

Regards,
Sahasrahla

On March 08 2016 08:31 Endymion wrote:
can i use this mod on fish ladder?