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On March 03 2012 17:12 Ribbon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2012 01:39 supernovamaniac wrote:
The signs are already noticeable to those who know what the signs are (obvious and most notable ones: computer/monitor switch). Not implying that what Milkis says will happen (then again, it may happen since Milkis did have closer contact with some SC2 teams in Korea during his MLG days as translator). CRT monitors are getting hard to find, too. I don't see much evidence that BW is going to get suddenly dropped. OGN could well take up SC2 on the side, but it doesn't mean giving up BW, and there's really no reason to think it has to be one or the other. There's absolutely no reason to assume that SC2 will necessarily replace BW any more than there is to assume LoL will.
1. Finding CRT monitors have nothing to do with their supply of CRT monitors. If you enter the semi-stadium next to OGN, there's tons of stations setup for courage/Starleague prelim etc.
2. Picking up SC2 does not necessarily imply that BW will be dropped completely.
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Can someone just fully translate the article? Hard to tell if it's actually good news or not with the amount extreme optimism and pessimism going on here.
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man, it's been sooo long... i feel like i'm dying inside.
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On March 03 2012 19:45 white_horse wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2012 15:10 Ideas wrote:On March 03 2012 12:21 white_horse wrote:
To everyone who is listening in on the rumors that ongamenet and kespa are going to throw BW in the dump and ship everything to SC2 come April 2012:
I have absolutely no idea why OGN would do this. First of all, there is still a large existing fanbase for BW in korea, it still pulls in viewership, and its popular enough that BW-related topics shoot up the searchbar rankings in korean portal sites like nate and daum when interesting things happen (jaedong's drone ramp blocking to turn's game with stats). Last year's OSL tells me that BW is still enjoyed by a broad fanbase. How close has SC2 or LoL gotten to BW in korea? How close has any other game gotten? To assume that the BW fans are going to drop BW and immediately pick up SC2 and to assume that OGN is suddenly going to increase its televesion viewership in a BW-less broadcast is really retarded.
And then the players and coaches themselves. Who is going to insure that all these players are going to suddenly start playing something that they have little or no interest in? Why would TBLS or any other A-class player switch to something else when they are currently doing what they enjoy and getting paid (good money) for it? Players like hydra, effort, and stork have mentioned in interviews how much they love BW and how much they enjoy playing it. Can we assume that these players are suddenly going to pour they same passion and interest into SC2 as they did with BW? And for the SC2 fans to claim that SC2 will somehow magically become better with all the great BW players switching just tells me that they are essentially acknowledging that SC2 currently isn't interesting to watch as it could be. If SC2 cannot produce any colorful characters or personable players now, they aren't ever going to in the future unless the game gets a total overhaul. I'm not even going to go further into this.
Anyways, I really don't get why OGN would be so stupid to just totally throw away BW so easily when its still so exciting. And I still don't get how people here just assume the transition is going to be neat and clean. Can you imagine the uproar from BW spectators? Would players like sea, jaedong, killer, leta, hydra, flash, movie, baby just be like "ok BW is over, lets clean up everyone. Lets all drop our keyboards and start doing something that we have little interest in"?
If anything, OGN should continue BW, pick up SC2, and capitalize on LoL so that they build a three-pronged set of leagues, while continuing the kartrider league and the special forces II proleague. That would be the best way to go. If OGN decides to dump BW and do an all-in with SC2, OGN is going to go bankrupt. And for god sakes, understand that if for some reason BW happens to disappear, thats the death knell for everything else too. If people want to make SC2 and LoL as great as BW, they better darn hope that it doesn't die. If a giant like BW disappears, how can other games survive as long? yea but milkis knows some guyssorry I'm not interested in what somebody said. What I'm interested in is if the current generation of BW players, coaches, and OGN are just willing to throw away BW as easily as people talk like they are going to. How many BW players and coaches actually even remotely care about SC2? Do you think they are just going to be like sheep and move to the next field of grass because someone tells them to? What if 90% of the players actually don't give a shit about SC2? What if OGN finds that about 10 BW progamers decide to continue in SC2? From the perspective of OGN, they are going to lose a dedicated fanbase as well as eat all kinds of shit if they suddenly cancel proleague. BW is 12 years old. A fanbase that still watches it is as dedicated as its ever going to get. Does OGN want to lose all of that? And then SC2 isn't exactly doing that great either in korea. SC2 in south korea hasn't been able to garner the kind of broad spectatorship that BW has, they still have race balancing issues, their teams have problems finding stable sponsorship from larger korean corporations as is typical in korean professional sport, and its turning out to be highly niched entertainment that very few people other than casual SC2 players enjoy. That OGN would choose to pour everything into SC2 while simply dumping proleague is just mind-boggling. I would be just speechless if this really happened come this summer.
While I'm on the "BW isn't about to die everyone calm the fuck down" side, the players' opinions are almost entirely irrelevant to the discussion. They're not playing BW fourteen hours a day because it's fun. It's their jobs. Anyone who wanted to switch to SC2 from BW already has, but it's not like Flash would decide to become a professional breakdancer or something.
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On March 03 2012 16:54 MountainDewJunkie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2012 15:10 Ideas wrote:On March 03 2012 12:21 white_horse wrote:
To everyone who is listening in on the rumors that ongamenet and kespa are going to throw BW in the dump and ship everything to SC2 come April 2012:
I have absolutely no idea why OGN would do this. First of all, there is still a large existing fanbase for BW in korea, it still pulls in viewership, and its popular enough that BW-related topics shoot up the searchbar rankings in korean portal sites like nate and daum when interesting things happen (jaedong's drone ramp blocking to turn's game with stats). Last year's OSL tells me that BW is still enjoyed by a broad fanbase. How close has SC2 or LoL gotten to BW in korea? How close has any other game gotten? To assume that the BW fans are going to drop BW and immediately pick up SC2 and to assume that OGN is suddenly going to increase its televesion viewership in a BW-less broadcast is really retarded.
And then the players and coaches themselves. Who is going to insure that all these players are going to suddenly start playing something that they have little or no interest in? Why would TBLS or any other A-class player switch to something else when they are currently doing what they enjoy and getting paid (good money) for it? Players like hydra, effort, and stork have mentioned in interviews how much they love BW and how much they enjoy playing it. Can we assume that these players are suddenly going to pour they same passion and interest into SC2 as they did with BW? And for the SC2 fans to claim that SC2 will somehow magically become better with all the great BW players switching just tells me that they are essentially acknowledging that SC2 currently isn't interesting to watch as it could be. If SC2 cannot produce any colorful characters or personable players now, they aren't ever going to in the future unless the game gets a total overhaul. I'm not even going to go further into this.
Anyways, I really don't get why OGN would be so stupid to just totally throw away BW so easily when its still so exciting. And I still don't get how people here just assume the transition is going to be neat and clean. Can you imagine the uproar from BW spectators? Would players like sea, jaedong, killer, leta, hydra, flash, movie, baby just be like "ok BW is over, lets clean up everyone. Lets all drop our keyboards and start doing something that we have little interest in"?
If anything, OGN should continue BW, pick up SC2, and capitalize on LoL so that they build a three-pronged set of leagues, while continuing the kartrider league and the special forces II proleague. That would be the best way to go. If OGN decides to dump BW and do an all-in with SC2, OGN is going to go bankrupt. And for god sakes, understand that if for some reason BW happens to disappear, thats the death knell for everything else too. If people want to make SC2 and LoL as great as BW, they better darn hope that it doesn't die. If a giant like BW disappears, how can other games survive as long? yea but milkis knows some guyssorry Well, his icon is a sentry. Apparently, there are no sentries in BW. They're in this other game I've heard about... Pokemon? No wait. Zelda. Not that I entirely trust forum elites' words these days. I recall another individual who heard some rather serious things through this grapevine...
Talking about sentries, I can only recall the one from half life 1 1998 . I mean they have scanners which sweeps the area to scan if there is any hostile around the area and than releases a volley of bullets to whoever dare crosses it's path . Playing half life 1 was awesome .
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On March 02 2012 23:35 Dante08 wrote:I miss those days where there were 2 properly scheduled starleagues and plenty of epic matches to look forward to. Now the MSL is gone, and the starting dates for the last 2 OSLs are like one year apart or something. Oh well better than nothing 
QFT man. I loved watching/following the two starleagues through the finals. Staying up late to watch a BW final is the best feeling.
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Finnally, really I dont really like proleuge that much, I want another OSL and if BW must die this year, I want two OSLs.
1st one in May, Bisu wins it, and the 2nd Jaedong becomes good again and we see an epic final with really long games
between Flash and Jaedong and of course Flash wins 4:3 yay!
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Still waiting for that post, Milkis.
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On March 03 2012 20:38 Dodgin wrote:
Still waiting for that post, Milkis.
You already missed them!
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On March 03 2012 21:02 rift wrote:You already missed them!
Nope. Few people on the BW forums told me to don't start anymore shit and asked me not to post it and i obliged
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On March 03 2012 23:21 Milkis wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2012 21:02 rift wrote:On March 03 2012 20:38 Dodgin wrote:
Still waiting for that post, Milkis. You already missed them! Nope. Few people on the BW forums told me to don't start anymore shit and asked me not to post it and i obliged
Where did anyone say they didn't want to hear the truth? The only thing people didn't want to hear is your cryptic one liners that do nothing other than stir shit up, you know exactly what you're doing. We are all wanting to hear concrete news one way or the other, and we're also hoping that you might be able to provide something realistic and believable rather than just spewing negativity.
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On March 03 2012 23:31 Wohmfg wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2012 23:21 Milkis wrote:On March 03 2012 21:02 rift wrote:On March 03 2012 20:38 Dodgin wrote:
Still waiting for that post, Milkis. You already missed them! Nope. Few people on the BW forums told me to don't start anymore shit and asked me not to post it and i obliged Where did anyone say they didn't want to hear the truth? The only thing people didn't want to hear is your cryptic one liners that do nothing other than stir shit up, you know exactly what you're doing. We are all wanting to hear concrete news one way or the other, and we're also hoping that you might be able to provide something realistic and believable rather than just spewing negativity.
is the only that he can do. so better he not post anymore.lets get fun posting in other forum...
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I am glad we are going to have more "OSL Starleague." In fact, one of my fondest memories of the "OSL Starleague" is getting off work, going to an ATM machine and reading a PDF file right before I sat down and watched some of the OSL Starleague with my TL Liquid friends.
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I saw the "will be c..." and I was so scared that the next letter would be an 'a'.
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On March 05 2012 14:04 oBlade wrote:
I am glad we are going to have more "OSL Starleague." In fact, one of my fondest memories of the "OSL Starleague" is getting off work, going to an ATM machine and reading a PDF file right before I sat down and watched some of the OSL Starleague with my TL Liquid friends.
lol haha
I totally did that too. But I'd often have trouble remembering my PIN number at the ATM machine.
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Flash needs to surpass Nada, the final marker of brood war achievement. There will be absolutely no justice if Flash doesn't get that 7th SL win.
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On March 05 2012 14:04 oBlade wrote:
I am glad we are going to have more "OSL Starleague." In fact, one of my fondest memories of the "OSL Starleague" is getting off work, going to an ATM machine and reading a PDF file right before I sat down and watched some of the OSL Starleague with my TL Liquid friends.
What is the significance of going to the ATM machine in relation to OSL? And what PDF file are you referring to?
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On March 06 2012 05:13 miercat wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2012 14:04 oBlade wrote:
I am glad we are going to have more "OSL Starleague." In fact, one of my fondest memories of the "OSL Starleague" is getting off work, going to an ATM machine and reading a PDF file right before I sat down and watched some of the OSL Starleague with my TL Liquid friends. What is the significance of going to the ATM machine in relation to OSL? And what PDF file are you referring to?
The joke is that the SL in OSL stands for "Starleague", so saying "OSL Starleague" is redundant. The execution of the joke was to refer to other situations in which people make the same mistake, such as PIN (Personal Identification Number) Number and ATM (Automated Teller Machine) Machine.
Although I looked up PDF and Wikipedia says that it stands for Portable Document Format, so if that's the case then "PDF File" is actually a non-example :<
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On March 05 2012 14:04 oBlade wrote:
I am glad we are going to have more "OSL Starleague." In fact, one of my fondest memories of the "OSL Starleague" is getting off work, going to an ATM machine and reading a PDF file right before I sat down and watched some of the OSL Starleague with my TL Liquid friends.
u r a jerk
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On March 06 2012 05:22 Crunchums wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 05:13 miercat wrote:On March 05 2012 14:04 oBlade wrote:
I am glad we are going to have more "OSL Starleague." In fact, one of my fondest memories of the "OSL Starleague" is getting off work, going to an ATM machine and reading a PDF file right before I sat down and watched some of the OSL Starleague with my TL Liquid friends. What is the significance of going to the ATM machine in relation to OSL? And what PDF file are you referring to? The joke is that the SL in OSL stands for "Starleague", so saying "OSL Starleague" is redundant. The execution of the joke was to refer to other situations in which people make the same mistake, such as PIN (Personal Identification Number) Number and ATM (Automated Teller Machine) Machine. Although I looked up PDF and Wikipedia says that it stands for Portable Document Format, so if that's the case then "PDF File" is actually a non-example :<
I understand - although I was more looking forward to learning about some type of odd correlation between the OSL, ATM machines, and PDF files (blinded in a manner of speaking I guess).
I've thought about this issue before: technically, it is redundant to repeat words that are already contained in an acronym, however, the meaning conveyed from such redundancy is often quite useful (and not redundant). In this case, I don't know if I would call it a mistake so much as a (societal) technique to facilitate communication (increased speed/ease of communicating(by speaker), and better processing of info. (by listener)). For example if I ask, "where can I find my PIN" - to a listener, this is often going to be ambiguous (especially if context is lacking) and in any case, if I do not specify - "Where can i find my PIN number" the processing speed of a listener is going to be significantly slower anyways (waste of time). The other alternatives, e.g. "where is my Personal Identification Number", "where is my PI Number", are slower ways to ask the question, and/or lack societal awareness (so processing would be slower). This concept also applies to other acronyms.
So I guess, in other words, would there be a better way to use these acronyms in interpersonal communication, without using redundancy, with the overall goal of optimizing speed/ease of communication? Maybe not. I would draw a conclusion here, but it seems quite obvious to me.
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