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tdt
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3179 Posts
December 28 2011 09:23 GMT
#121
I believe fun game-play mechanics and innovation takes a back seat to accessibility these days, Not by accident either. Game developers know what made their classics great but if they simply remade them with better graphics they'd get panned as being boring so they have to do something new which we may not like. Problem is games cost tens of millions to make these days instead of two dudes making Doom in their apt so they make accessibility their first choice to widen the audience and money. Sometimes this destroys why some of us liked the game in the first place but that's okay sometimes too if they can gain two fans and lose you they made the right choice. Consolization is about the most glaring example of this widening the scope. And we all know BW fans complaints about SC2.

Also, Great games are an accident really. Out of thousands a year only a few will get that classic title like PST/BG/BW/Quake/HL/ etc. And there will be more we just don't know of them yet, have patience.
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Celloist
Profile Joined June 2011
447 Posts
December 28 2011 09:28 GMT
#122
I agree I dont play BW because of nostalgia. Most of it is due to the fact that BW is more awesome than other games, even know. But having said this, yes, i fear we are the last generation of our kind
The Messiah Cometh!
tdt
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3179 Posts
December 28 2011 09:41 GMT
#123
On December 28 2011 04:15 nokz88 wrote:
To those hipsters that say today's games does not compare to the old ones, try:

1) Portal 1/2
2) Skyrim
3) Half-life 2
4) Braid
...and some others that I won't mention for those might be debatable. These four however, does not give an inch to the best of the best games of the history.

Do it if you are tired of the Modern Warfares and Halos, and truly want to play a modern masterpiece. Now if what you want is not a good gaming experience, but a crap covered in sweet, sweet nostalgia and nothing post-2000 will ever satisfy your unhealthy obcession for the old, then I suggest Frogs.

Games from our childhood are NOT better than those coming out nowadays. When you compare BroodWar/Ocarina of time/Final Fantasy 7/other masterpieces from the past to Call of Duty/Final Fantasy 13/other crap game what you are doing is comparing the yesteryear's best to today's worst. Not a fair comparison if you ask me.

Talk about living on past success. Skyrim is a UI disater. http://www.gamasutra.com/blogs/EricSchwarz/20111114/8890/User_Interface_Analysis_Skyrim.php

Despite all it's bugs Morrowwind was 10x better IMO.
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Piste
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
6180 Posts
December 28 2011 09:45 GMT
#124
of course we are the last generation of our kind. I dont think that commandore 64 is going to be made again. and PC cannot be invented again.
_Quasar_
Profile Joined October 2010
Russian Federation4405 Posts
December 28 2011 09:49 GMT
#125
wtf "old games do not compare"... No one said that. What was stated is that new games aren't better JUST because they are new and have modern overlay and graphics. If they are better as a GAME they are better (or not worse). Wtf arguments, I don't just get that kind of them...
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Black[CAT]
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Malaysia2589 Posts
December 28 2011 10:14 GMT
#126
Playing BW wasnt because of nostalgia. Heck I got into the game in 2010 when I heard about SC2. This is the same for many people around here. It annoys me to see some random 초보 going "owh they love/play it coz of nostalgia" or "nostalgia goggles"...
You mean ESPORTS isnt a synonym for SC2? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ -Proud owner of a Filco Majestouch 2 with Cherry Blue Switches- BW or SC2? Why not both?
LilClinkin
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Australia667 Posts
December 28 2011 11:55 GMT
#127
I played baldur's gate 2 for the first time this year. It is one of the greatest games I have ever played.

Granted, I am a true gamer at heart: I still own authentic working NES and SNES with all of the old classics. I just feel that truly great games stand the test of time. Games like Super Metroid, Baldurs Gate 2, and Brood War will always be amazing to me.

But that's not to say there are no new amazing games made these days. You just have to know where to find them. Marketing dollars are thrown at you and tell you to love games like MW3, BF3, UC3 etc. But there are sleeper hits, the ones that true gamers tell you about, the ones that you will want to play 5 years from now when by comparison MW3 will look like out-dated trash. Games like Amnesia, Batman Arkham City, Dark Souls and Witcher 2 will be classics, I assure you. MW3 will be buried in the dust.
dementrio
Profile Joined November 2010
678 Posts
December 28 2011 12:10 GMT
#128
What amazes me is that games like bg2 came with 4 cds worth of data. What was all that? 2gb of painted backgrounds? The amount of work, and its quality, are truly impressive compared to how little they charged the game.

Now there are indie developers that have the ideas but not the resources. Our "generation" is not dwindling, in fact I. Think our numbers are larger in absolute terms, but we are too few compared to the much larger "casual" audience which has become mainstream.
Sinedd
Profile Joined July 2008
Poland7052 Posts
December 28 2011 12:40 GMT
#129
I miss all those old games, and I still play them, because I find them a lot more fun than all those new flashy loud games.

They dont have the amount of humour and the quality of gameplay than the older games.

There are, of course, some new games that are awesome and have nice graphics too, you can actually mix it pretty well

shame is, that most of the game-making companies rather opt for the graphics than for a good storyline and gameplay, because its easier

imo
T H C makes ppl happy
shaggles
Profile Joined October 2011
Poland108 Posts
December 28 2011 12:45 GMT
#130
On December 28 2011 14:23 ArcTimes wrote:
I'm going to teach my children how to play Starcraft. )

Actually, I do.
I play the Chess of Computer Age
FlyingLigerz
Profile Joined May 2010
United States163 Posts
December 28 2011 12:53 GMT
#131
yea it's been gone over in this thread, but one thing old games have over new ones is stability. since they are simpler, they are just overall less buggy then the newer games. plus the newer games just cater to the casuals way too much. there arent any hard i wanna kill myself playing it games.
Rekzr
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia92 Posts
December 28 2011 14:39 GMT
#132
Same with me, I have played this game on and off since it first came out but only just started taking it seriously in 2009.
The reason I am now totally it to SC BW is a few reasons, by the way may not be everyones idea which is fine, and I will remind you is in no order.

A- The Brood War Scene (Generally good manner and fun people to meet I have met some really cool friends on iCcup and at Pro-league games. Also the fact that there is an amazing Pro-scene that has respectable players unlike many other games where sponsors are scarce and the fans are most likely going to move on to a different game very easily and very soon.

B- Game Balance (The game has superb balance in terms of its mechanics and is taught at many game schools for it genious.
The amount of graphics doesn't blanket its gameplay and there are nice counters and builds which make the game so interesting.

C- Availability (The game is playable on pretty much any computer and is on pretty much any Pc Cafe in Asia.

There are more reasons but I think this is a strong argument anyways.
For these reason may Brood War live on!

BROOD WAR FIGHTING!
Zergneedsfood
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10671 Posts
December 28 2011 14:51 GMT
#133
I've been playing Broodwar for 10....12....14 years?

There are still new people I meet every day playing BW. It's pretty amazing when you think about that.
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shell
Profile Joined October 2010
Portugal2722 Posts
December 28 2011 15:55 GMT
#134
I think it's kinda stupid to say starcraft II is a dumber and easier game just because it has auto-mining etc..

Was war3 a worse game then SC2? for many i bet it wasn't but people still changed, even the top pros. Why would they change when they had to learn a new game? Just for the money? I bet people wanted a new challenge, a new game with much more people.

People are nostalgic, i get that, and BW really is a good game. But people also like new challenges and new "adventures". Playing a game video game for 10 years it's not like playing football(soccer for that weird part of the world) or playing basketball. It's a video game, you can play at home, you don't need anyone. It's just you and the machine so why play always the same game? Do you always see the same movie? Do you always eat the same food? Do you always sleep with the same girl(eventually you will.. but it's because she won't let you sleep with others ?

So yeah BW is and always was a great game, was the most successfull e-sport ever! But it wasn't for us foreigners. Actually war3 was more important to e-sports outside of SK then BW was, atleast in europe.

When i played CS in a somewhat "pro" level i eventually got tired of playing the same maps over and over again and faded. I can't imagine playing the same maps allday long for more then 10 years.. It's kinda miracle how it's still strong.

CS and BW really are the best games ever in the genre, that's why they made it this far but atleast for BW i feel there is a good game to follow, maybe it's not so hard like BW is but it's harder in other aspects. CS for instance still is the reference in FPS and that won't change until there is a valid rival.

My point is that the BW people should be happy the game hold on for this long, if it wasn't for SKorea where it really was important it would have faded long ago. Keep following your leagues and stop shiting on SC2 and people that enjoy a foreign competitive scene.

I don't know if you noticed this but SKorean leagues don't care about you. You can't watch it live from them, you don't have any comentary. I could have been a fan but i'm stuck with GSL becase they care if i watched them.

Think about it.. does BW and Kespa care about foreign fans?
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ninini
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden1204 Posts
December 28 2011 17:24 GMT
#135
On December 28 2011 10:21 Takkara wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 28 2011 09:44 ninini wrote:
On December 28 2011 01:37 Takkara wrote:
On December 27 2011 23:17 FFGenerations wrote:
ssoo excitde cnat spel klazzart rigght zomg1 :D

it is sad to know that kids arent growing up with ff7 anymore ;( i guess when WE become parents itll be up to us to introduce our kids to it and spawn a new generation. same with cartoons (if disney can do it..!)


The thing is, there's a generation of gamers that are already sad that there's a generation of gamers that considers FF7 the first seminal work in the Final Fantasy series that people should be sad that others will not grow up with.

FFIV and FFVI shaped my childhood. FF7 was like my SC2.

The SNES generation keeps mentioning FF4 and FF6, but never FF5. I've played through all FF games up to 12 and I never saw the greatness in FF4. I think it's a great game, but I don't think it's better than FF5. They are the two most similar games in the series, and the reason why the SNES generation keeps mentioning FF4 while neglecting FF5 is because of nostalgia. FF6 is a awesome game though. That game really set the bar high, but I think FF7 lived up to that. I know FF7 had flaws, mainly the dumbed down battle mechanics, but in terms of storyline FF7 was just great. It has the most complex story of the series to this day, and Sephiroth is the most interesting villain by far, and it's not just about the visuals. Sephiroth had layers. He had a interesting background, and his actions are very much an expression to who he was. That's something that was very groundbreaking. Most villains up to that point were just generic bad guys. I can say the same thing about Cloud, the main character. He was such a complex character.

I'm sorry, but I will never take a person bashing on FF7 seriously.

Anyway. Personally, the reason why I'm clinging to BW is because no game can replace it right now. I envy the SC2 players for being able to play a game that hasn't been figured out yet, but that's not enough for me to switch. SC2 just has nothing that appeals to me.


Usually people don't reminisce about FFV because it wasn't released in America in order. FFIV was FF2 and FFVI was FF3. Then it skipped to FF7. It's only been recently (relatively) that FFIII and FFV were actually released in America.

FF7 is a great game. But it's not the de facto best game in the series. It's widely considered to be that by people that didn't play Final Fantasy until FF7, which is why I drew some parallels to BW and SC2. FF6, I believe, is all-around the best Final Fantasy game. But I understand that involves a fair bit of my own opinion so I'm not going to try to convince anyone of that fact.

I'm just saying that a lot of the people that say FF7 is the best Final Fantasy say that because it was the first game they played in the series. All of that fits into what I said earlier in the thread, though...

I don't disagree with FF6 being possibly the best in the series. FF6, 7 and 9 are my personal favorites, but I can't say which one is my favorite.
Weedk
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States507 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-28 18:30:53
December 28 2011 18:30 GMT
#136
On December 28 2011 14:43 wassbix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 28 2011 12:26 stork4ever wrote:
Gentleman and ladies, it is an honor to be in a dying cult with you all =)


Which of the TaekBangLeeSsang is our god?


There is no one. It is a pantheon of four, of which each govern a different aspect of progaming.
Amanebak
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Czech Republic528 Posts
December 28 2011 18:34 GMT
#137
Just to answer this part:
On December 29 2011 00:55 shell wrote:
...
Think about it.. does BW and Kespa care about foreign fans?

You can see almost every white guy or girl, present at SK BW event, zoomed on camera. This tells something. Koreans are proud that there are foreign people that care about proscene too.
BW
Divine-Sneaker
Profile Joined August 2010
Denmark1225 Posts
December 28 2011 18:36 GMT
#138
I know there are definitely some games I no longer feel like playing through anymore because of how aged they are. That is, regardless of how many hundreds of my childhood hours I spent enjoying every second of them along the way. That said, there are still about an equal amount I still relive once in a while because they're simply great in their own way. I'm a graphics whore at heart, but that still doesn't mean everything.
NEXUS6
Profile Joined July 2011
United States413 Posts
December 28 2011 18:42 GMT
#139
Every generation will have their nostalgia.
sour_eraser
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada932 Posts
December 28 2011 18:52 GMT
#140
On December 29 2011 00:55 shell wrote:

Think about it.. does BW and Kespa care about foreign fans?


Personally, I think KeSPA would have cared more about foreigner fans if actual foreigners played.
But in truth, all foreigners were not good enough to challenge Koreans in BW so the scene outside SK died.
Look at SC2 for example. Plenty of Non-Koreans are doing well enough so GOM thought that it was worth investing in Foreign scene. If SC2 had no foreign players just like BW, then I can pretty much guarantee it would have been same as BW scene
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