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I have been thinking about the nostalgia argument that has been blatantly been slapped upon us broodwar fan and I thought about it really hard . Are we really nostalgic in nature ? It's true that my first encounter with starcraft 1 and broodwar it's because it's the "GAME" to play and everyone in primary school was talking about this game and playing the game is cool because we get to watch the awesome "cinematics " .
The eye Candy of my time![[image loading]](http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100809013517/starcraft/images/b/b5/Battlecruiser_SC1_CineInauguration1.jpg)
With that in mind is broodwar really such a nostalgic bandwagon thing that the other side of starcraft with a 2 talks about ? Lets look at the definition of nostalgic . According to the thefreedictionary.com nostalgic is a " a bitter sweet longing for longings for the thing for the past and situation . Well yeah you can say it's nostalgic , I am nostalgic about the past when I was owning Cs source pro's team online in our little Malaysia v Singapore online tournaments .
Skipping classes to play game isn't really that worth it in my opinion ,trust me you will regret it sooner or later
But am I really that nostalgic about broodwar ? Lets take a look a little about my history of starcraft , As a fan of games my from younger times playing game was a hobby and a thing to past time , ranging from pokemon to diablo 1 , however I think starcraft it self is a mystical game , not only has it captured countless hearts of gamers who experience for the first time and says "WOW " is this for real ? . I think the same can be said for me my realization of the starcraft pro scene was by chance and I mean chance by a stroke of curiosity rather than searching everywhere for it .
Klazart is my savior , without him, I wouldn't be screaming over this guy and tried searching the whole web for any replays with the name "Boxer on it "
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Hearing people talking about broodwar , talking to my korean golf buddy and asking him do you play starcraft ?, Of course he said "YES" .In the end my whole journey of the starcraft experience can't be pinpointed as nostalgic in nature , Taking the quote from the thefreedictionary which states being nostalgic means longing for the pass however , I do not long for the past and I am not bitter sweet .
Although as a player who played really old games like starcraft and warcraft 1 and 2 . I do long for something that is simple in nature and not fancy " Eye candy " so I can rave about to my friends " Look my awesome game on the lcd , with the "Nvidia XXXXXXX the game looks so awesome ". Really do I really want to play games because it just looks epic ?
" Hello old buddy " ![[image loading]](http://www.sc2blog.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/hydra.jpg) Meet the next generation
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I think these applies to all of us who have been exposed to the simplicity of games ranging from Fallout 1 and 2 , Diablo 1 and 2 , Neverwinters night , Baldurs Gate , Torment . How many countless hours has our "well time spent " on this game has been poured in to a game that any kids these day that come pass by and look at this " hey what is this dinosaur age like game come from ? MW 67 is the best game and this sucks ".
It's truly plausible that we are probably the last of our kind to actually appreciate game play over graphics and I mean to those who have experience the game inside and out be it being spectator, a player and as a fan . I can finally conclude that my founding's that I am nostalgic in nature searching for single player games with content and not just flashy graphics in your face and every time when I kept looking at games this day's , I tried comparing them with the past and hold them in judgement of the old title's that still roam in my head clearly and the joy they have gave me .
Are we really the last generation ? Probably it will if new bloods don't pick up or watch the game that we live and scream in the middle of 2 am when we see those awesome art of works on screen and that I mean proleague broodwar of course .Maybe we are the last breed of old gamers indeed and will fade when time passes over for the next generation of gamers .
"YO ! Dad it's not cool to play with swords any more , it's just too outdated "
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Edit : Fail grammar and dethroning holy Klazart with an extra "Z"
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We don't play games like BW, CS 1.6, Quake, Fallout 1/2, PST, Baldur's Gate etc because of nostalgia. We play them because they're GREAT games, superior to most if not all of the games on the market today.
Labeling these games as outdated makes about as much sense as labeling classical music outdated. For that reason I also do not think we are the last generation.
Another question that I have often pondered about is: when will we start seeing games of BW-quality again? Given the recent trend of virtually all modern games being easy to play, targeted towards the casual gamer etc one cannot help but wonder if we will ever see a masterpiece like BW again. This issue is of course linked with the future of eSports as a whole. Personally I feel that, as video games lose their negative social stigma, and as the idea of competitive gaming becomes more accepted, eventually we will start seeing far more truly great games again.
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I agree that gameplay > graphics, but a game with good graphics doesn't automatically mean it has shitty gameplay. I say just adapt to the times.
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I prefer to think that we're the people that can overlook graphics and separate the fidelity of graphics from the aesthetics of a game like you said and I definitely don't think we're the last of our generation. The only difference between the current and the next generation is the methods employed to find the classics. They'll be playing CoD12 when they look up the metacritic score for it, because everyone loves their opinion validated. Then they'll see the 80 something score, go to the ranks, see that half-life 1 and 2 is much higher and play them. That's obviously a small fraction of CoD players doing that and a smaller fraction that will actually appreciate a game like half life. Replace CoD with any other modern game and the equivalent classic of that genre. The next generation will play it backwards, which is fine.
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I had many moments when i opened "old" games like Baldurs/fallout/planescape (and countless other examples) and i got flashbacks of awesome memories(sometimes even little tear came out of my eye), in fact when i played starcraft 1 or c&c or wc2 for the first time i remember being blown away by the magnitude of art and story. NONE of new games even if they were technically superior could match the same art, audio/video, gameplay quality. For example Starcraft 1 was much more innovating, graphically and musically to the industry back then than SC2 today which seems like just new rts and good game but nothing more. My first online experience was BW, quake3 CS 1.5 (or was it 1.3), after 5 minutes i was "hooked", there was so much fun put into it, in fact after 5 minutes of playing counter-strike i knew im gonna play it. And i played it for many, many years. SC2 was just ok game, after week i muted the music (i still had bw music in my mind) and to this day its muted.
I think the art design of sc2 (not technical aspects) is the biggest thing that upsets me. Blizzard lost that dark sci-fi obscure feel in the game with flavor of black humor in the background imho.
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Gameplay and fun to be had. I don't do nostalgia (I'm probably one of the younger members of TL).
Why does me being younger matter? Because I picked up the "oldschool," games later than you guys did and STILL PLAY THEM. I'm not a bounty seeker either. I'm terrible at most of them but there's something about how easy modern-gen games are that makes me puke. I say, fuck that shit, let's just mod SCBW and get a better graphics overhaul if it means that much to the new scrubs 'cuz us "older-gen," gamers don't care.
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On December 27 2011 22:56 Count9 wrote:
I prefer to think that we're the people that can overlook graphics and separate the fidelity of graphics from the aesthetics of a game like you said and I definitely don't think we're the last of our generation. The only difference between the current and the next generation is the methods employed to find the classics. They'll be playing CoD12 when they look up the metacritic score for it, because everyone loves their opinion validated. Then they'll see the 80 something score, go to the ranks, see that half-life 1 and 2 is much higher and play them. That's obviously a small fraction of CoD players doing that and a smaller fraction that will actually appreciate a game like half life. Replace CoD with any other modern game and the equivalent classic of that genre. The next generation will play it backwards, which is fine.
I'd like to believe you, but if we take a look at metacritic, MW3 is sitting at a comfortable 88%... while Half Life 2 is at 96%, far greater, it still stands that the critics give free passes to hyped games, despite them perhaps not being the best.
That being said, I am a younger generation gamer who actually is working backwards; this winter I am playing through LoZ:Ocarina of Time and FF7. Which I would hope you agree are great classics. So there is some hope for the future yet :p As long as metacritic/gamerankings are not bought out too often.
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Klazart only has one 'z' in it ;;
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On December 27 2011 23:10 Sayle wrote:
Klazart only has one 'z' in it ;;
It's okay Sayle, it's okay. It'll get fixed soon enough.  Want a hug or a cookie? :D
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ssoo excitde cnat spel klazzart rigght zomg1 :D
it is sad to know that kids arent growing up with ff7 anymore ;( i guess when WE become parents itll be up to us to introduce our kids to it and spawn a new generation. same with cartoons (if disney can do it..!)
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I would say, our generation would not be different if we had the same number of candy-like games available at our times. Average kid is silly throughout all times. We probably are the last generation.
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On December 27 2011 23:08 EchelonTee wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2011 22:56 Count9 wrote:
I prefer to think that we're the people that can overlook graphics and separate the fidelity of graphics from the aesthetics of a game like you said and I definitely don't think we're the last of our generation. The only difference between the current and the next generation is the methods employed to find the classics. They'll be playing CoD12 when they look up the metacritic score for it, because everyone loves their opinion validated. Then they'll see the 80 something score, go to the ranks, see that half-life 1 and 2 is much higher and play them. That's obviously a small fraction of CoD players doing that and a smaller fraction that will actually appreciate a game like half life. Replace CoD with any other modern game and the equivalent classic of that genre. The next generation will play it backwards, which is fine. I'd like to believe you, but if we take a look at metacritic, MW3 is sitting at a comfortable 88%... while Half Life 2 is at 96%, far greater, it still stands that the critics give free passes to hyped games, despite them perhaps not being the best. That being said, I am a younger generation gamer who actually is working backwards; this winter I am playing through LoZ:Ocarina of Time and FF7. Which I would hope you agree are great classics. So there is some hope for the future yet :p As long as metacritic/gamerankings are not bought out too often.
Actually if you look at MW3's user score, its an absolutely atrocious <4 or something while HL 1 and 2 are both above 9. I don't like relying on critic scores nowadays, whether they're bought, biased or just plain wrong, most of the time they tend to overrate games. MW3 really doesn't deserve anything above 6 or 7, its just a rehash of MW2.
I hope you've played Chrono Trigger and other SNES classics. PS1/N64 is a good start, speaking of which i should really get an emulator to play LoZ Ocarina of time. Never got around to it.
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On December 27 2011 23:21 Inori wrote:
old games are awesome because you grew up with them.
Sorry but this topic looks like one of those "It used to be great, now it's shit" and "I'm better cuz I was born earlier" bs.
Then how come I don't feel the same about KKND or C&C games? BW simply is far better, it's an exceptional game.
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On December 27 2011 23:21 Inori wrote:
old games are awesome because you grew up with them.
Sorry but this topic looks like one of those "It used to be great, now it's shit" and "I'm better cuz I was born earlier" bs.
Especially "It's truly plausible that we are probably the last of our kind to actually appreciate game play over graphics" makes me laugh and feel like OP is actually one of the younger generations himself.
Let me tell you about graphics back then. All those games were considered state-of-the-art graphics wise, you needed to dish out a huge amount of money for your PC to handle beasts like Doom, NFS, Carmageddon, WC and D1. I sure as hell still remember how I puked rainbows after looking at q2, sc1 and d2 graphics for the first time.
It was never "Graphics or Gameplay", it was always "Graphics AND Gameplay". Was in the 80s. Was in the 90s. Is now. There are good titles released every year. Sure, you can count them with 1 hand usually, but you can't even imagine the amount of crap that was released & forgotten in the 90s.
Only reason you feel it's different is because you have hipster syndrome. Hope you'll get better soon.
Tell me something I don't know , old games are old games , timeless classic .
Hipster syndrome ? sure http://bradenbost.wordpress.com/2010/08/16/hipster-syndrome/
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On December 27 2011 23:28 maybenexttime wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2011 23:21 Inori wrote:
old games are awesome because you grew up with them.
Sorry but this topic looks like one of those "It used to be great, now it's shit" and "I'm better cuz I was born earlier" bs. Then how come I don't feel the same about KKND or C&C games? BW simply is far better, it's an exceptional game.
Because C&C is just kinda shit. I'm sorry but there wasn't a whole lot of the Strategy in the RTS component from what I remember. Although for a low-tiered LAN party, hilarious to have nonetheless.
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Thing is, 'gameplay over graphics' also mean a gameplay you enjoy.
Not everyone will enjoy the same type of gameplay.
I will say that I personally think Starcraft 2 has better gameplay (while Brood:War had better story, and was better for competitions), but I think that some of the gameplay elements of brood war simply aren't good. Like the pathing for some units, like lack of multiple building select, amount you could hotkey, rally points, and so on.
Also, I am for other reasons, nostalgic about EverQuest when I play mmorpg's. But I can't honestly say it was because it was the better game ... in many ways, it was because it was the poorer game, with mechanics that wasn't well understood at the time when the genre was new, and the relatively poor balance. It felt more like an actual RPG - whereas newer MMORPG's to me feel more like 'games'.
A lot of people say that they love Eve (the mmorpg) because of gameplay over graphics ... but me, I never liked the gameplay in that game, so it wasn't for me.
Probably the best single player gameplay that's been invented is to me Tetris ... doesn't mean I enjoy it more than Skyrim.
ps: I was 18 when Starcraft 1 came out ... when I think back to me earlier gaming experiences, it's NES, Eye of the Beholder, Civilization 1, Sim City, Amiga 500 that stand out. Dune 2 I actually remember playing a ton of (and I don't think anyone will argue that it's anything but nostalgia that makes me think fondly about that game).
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On December 27 2011 23:38 Inori wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2011 23:29 Sawamura wrote:On December 27 2011 23:21 Inori wrote:
old games are awesome because you grew up with them.
Sorry but this topic looks like one of those "It used to be great, now it's shit" and "I'm better cuz I was born earlier" bs.
Especially "It's truly plausible that we are probably the last of our kind to actually appreciate game play over graphics" makes me laugh and feel like OP is actually one of the younger generations himself.
Let me tell you about graphics back then. All those games were considered state-of-the-art graphics wise, you needed to dish out a huge amount of money for your PC to handle beasts like Doom, NFS, Carmageddon, WC and D1. I sure as hell still remember how I puked rainbows after looking at q2, sc1 and d2 graphics for the first time.
It was never "Graphics or Gameplay", it was always "Graphics AND Gameplay". Was in the 80s. Was in the 90s. Is now. There are good titles released every year. Sure, you can count them with 1 hand usually, but you can't even imagine the amount of crap that was released & forgotten in the 90s.
Only reason you feel it's different is because you have hipster syndrome. Hope you'll get better soon. Tell me something I don't know , old games are old games , timeless classic . Hipster syndrome ? sure http://bradenbost.wordpress.com/2010/08/16/hipster-syndrome/ ??? First you say "It used to be all about gameplay and now it's graphics!!11", I note that it was always about both and you reply with "tell me something I don't know"? /thread? P.S. rofl @ "timeless classic". Mozart, Beethoven, Pushkin, Shakespeare, da Vinci works are timeless classics. 10-15 year old games are 10-15 year old games. If it will be remembered 100-200 years from now, then it might be considered "timeless classic".
Let's compare football to games and even music ? Might as well flush my brain down the toilet besides that my definition of timeless classic may not suit you but whatever .
So only products which are actually 100 years and above can only be classified as timeless classics huh ? Than this guy who suggested this list of movies should also have his brain check because he doesn't suit the definition of your "timeless classic "
http://community.flixster.com/blog/eight-movies-we-are-afraid-to-criticize
Seriously if you want to take on me , I would gladly take it in pm.
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I started playing Brood War seriously in 2009. I have no nostalgia, it is just a better game (than other RTS games, including SC2). Thats it, it is the only reason I like it. The game itself. I grew up with Command & Conquer. That doesnt mean I think Command & Conquer is any better than it is. StarCraft is still way better.
I also played Deus Ex and System Shock 2 for the first time this year.
There will always be a few people like me who can enjoy something that is hard to get in to, but more rewarding.
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