EPTOn December 29 2011 04:55 Ribbon wrote:
BW Fuck up:
BW Fuck up:
Why do you have to pick Hyuk for the fuck up??
GGaemo would have been way better ..
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shaftofpleasure
Korea (North)1375 Posts
Why do you have to pick Hyuk for the fuck up?? GGaemo would have been way better .. | ||
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Ribbon
United States5278 Posts
On December 29 2011 09:35 shaftofpleasure wrote: Why do you have to pick Hyuk for the fuck up?? GGaemo would have been way better .. Yeah, but Hyuk was famous for it, which is why I really liked him. And then he all-killed STX, and it was all the more awesome because Cholera was flipping out. Hyuk is my favorite BW player because he has a story besides just "He wins a lot by playing as boringly and as safely as possible" like Flash does. Flash wins so much I don't care any more. He's the Triple H of Brood War. On December 29 2011 06:55 dUTtrOACh wrote: I think the popularity of minecraft is evidence that kids these days don't just care about graphics. . Also note all the games with sick graphics that DIDN'T do amazingly, like Crysis. On December 29 2011 07:28 ninini wrote: Everything about SC2 is worse than BW. It has terrible unit physics (movements). Compare how a group of zerglings moves in the different games. The BW zerglings are much more realistic to how they would move in a real battlefield. The graphics in SC2 are advanced but poorly made, I mean you can barely distinguish individual units. There are also less tactical units in SC2, and the tactical units is what makes BW so great. I'm going to glaze over the "They move just like REAL Zerglings!" comment and focus on that last sentence. The biggest difference between BW and SC2, the one that makes all the others meaningless, if that Jeadong's 11 Mutas can be infinitely more powerful than my 11 mutas. SC2 units can indeed be microed (particularly the fast ones like Mutas, Marines, Hellions. Less so Thors, BCs, and Colossi except for Hero), but it's kind of binary. You either micro properly, or you mess up. If two equal armies meet in SC1, the winner will be the one who microed better. In SC2, the loser will be the one who fucked up first. You don't see an SC2 player do everything right and lose because his opponent did everything right but better. Some of this can be alleviated with maps (Cloud Kingdom is explicitly designed to make 1A fail), some of it can't. Some of the expansion stuff will help with this (The oracle is the best designed unit in SC2 by far), some of it won't (The tempest is just stupid). BW is a game of executing things better than your opponent. SC2 is becoming a game of giving your opponent has much to do as possible and getting him to screw up. I think, as SC2 continues to evolve, this aspect will be more and more prominent and the game will look less and less like a poor man's BW, and just kind of be some other game that BW fans still aren't going to like. And I think that'll actually be good for BW, because a lot of SC2 fans, the new ones, think that SC2 will look just like BW as the skill level increases (which, in fairness, is the current trend), and once they realize that it won't, will start looking as BW as another game worthy of interest on it's own merits. | ||
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TolEranceNA
Canada434 Posts
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Ribbon
United States5278 Posts
On December 29 2011 11:02 TolEranceNA wrote: Of course not! I pity MW fanboy more than anything I think the BW, SC2, WC3, LoL, and even Halo communities can come together to hate CoD | ||
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Alejandrisha
United States6566 Posts
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babylon
8765 Posts
On December 29 2011 06:24 Newbistic wrote: Using youtube videos to misrepresent skewed opinions doesn't help your argument -_- WC3, BW, SC2 are all good games, the pros at the highest level are all very skilled. Man, just tune him out whenever he talks about War3. He's a War3 hater. What's terrible is that he hates the game without really understanding it at all and always tries to spew out some ignorant bullshit about it whenever people mention it on these boards. Of course, it's fine to dislike the game -- I know plenty of people who don't like War3 because it's not their cup of tea -- but it's sad to see someone dislike the game when he clearly knows jackshit about it. It's like whenever you see someone say, "PvP in SC2 is War3 fast-forwarded!" You just end up wanting to facepalm. | ||
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Legatus Lanius
2135 Posts
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Aus)MaCrO
Australia349 Posts
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hitthat
Poland2350 Posts
On December 29 2011 07:28 ninini wrote: When ppl are saying SC2 is eye candy they are not saying that they dislike it because of the graphics, they are implying that graphics is all it's got, and that the actual gameplay is bad. Starcraft might have been considered eye candy back in the day, but it also had substance. Everything about SC2 is worse than BW. It has terrible unit physics (movements). Compare how a group of zerglings moves in the different games. The BW zerglings are much more realistic to how they would move in a real battlefield. The graphics in SC2 are advanced but poorly made, I mean you can barely distinguish individual units. There are also less tactical units in SC2, and the tactical units is what makes BW so great. BW is just better in all aspects, including physics, graphics and gameplay. Am I the only one that thinks graphic in SC2 is NOT even that good, even if we take RTS standards into consideration? After CoH and DoW2, SC2 looks just ugly. Hell, Supreme Commander is not worse than SC2 with its graphics. No, I'm not trolling anyone, thats exacly what my opinion is! In the contrast, SC2 single player is MORE fun. Missions are more difficult and diversed than those from BW [all cheese scenario and warcraftesque shit like "good corrupted overmind" doesnt take the good impresion] | ||
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Daozzt
United States1263 Posts
On December 29 2011 18:31 hitthat wrote: Am I the only one that thinks graphic in SC2 is NOT even that good, even if we take RTS standards into consideration? After CoH and DoW2, SC2 looks just ugly. Hell, Supreme Commander is not worse than SC2 with its graphics. No, I'm not trolling anyone, thats exacly what my opinion is! In the contrast, SC2 single player is MORE fun. Missions are more difficult and diversed than those from BW [all cheese scenario and warcraftesque shit like "good corrupted overmind" doesnt take the good impresion] The graphics of SC2 aren't impressive, but they aren't bad enough that they will turn off newer players. Despite what people say about graphics, it is the main reason why nobody new plays or watches the Brood War. Younger kids nowadays think games like FF7 or BW look like shit because they grew up with ps2 or xbox as their first gaming console, and cannot appreciate good games with dated graphics. | ||
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Legatus Lanius
2135 Posts
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Nabes
Canada1800 Posts
On December 29 2011 18:45 Daozzt wrote: The graphics of SC2 aren't impressive, but they aren't bad enough that they will turn off newer players. Despite what people say about graphics, it is the main reason why nobody new plays or watches the Brood War. Younger kids nowadays think games like FF7 or BW look like shit because they grew up with ps2 or xbox as their first gaming console, and cannot appreciate good games with dated graphics. Main reason why no one watches brood war? you are a funny guy. You are correct about the graphics being outdated, considering the game is over a decade old, but really you think the main reason is the graphics? The main reason no one watches broodwar is because its casted at awful times for NA and EU, oh and its casted in Korean, good luck getting anyone into a game when its only catered to koreans. Also what are the chances someone bothers to pick up a game made in 98, or any game from the 90s. your BW elitism is terrible, you play broodwar so you look down upon anyone that doesn't play it? I remember back in the day when we poked eachother with sticks because thats all there was! now kids these days got all these gizmos and gadgets! they can't even apperciate a good stick poking now! | ||
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ShadeR
Australia7535 Posts
On December 29 2011 19:09 OrangeSoda wrote: Main reason why no one watches brood war? you are a funny guy. You are correct about the graphics being outdated, considering the game is over a decade old, but really you think the main reason is the graphics? The main reason no one watches broodwar is because its casted at awful times for NA and EU, oh and its casted in Korean, good luck getting anyone into a game when its only catered to koreans. Also what are the chances someone bothers to pick up a game made in 98, or any game from the 90s. your BW elitism is terrible, you play broodwar so you look down upon anyone that doesn't play it? I remember back in the day when we poked eachother with sticks because thats all there was! now kids these days got all these gizmos and gadgets! they can't even apperciate a good stick poking now! Funny... you say that on a foreign starcraft site. | ||
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Sinedd
Poland7052 Posts
On December 29 2011 11:02 TolEranceNA wrote: Of course not! I pity MW fanboy more than anything I hate what they have done with this awesome game.. (first 2 CoD's with exp packs) just terrible... well maybe MW1 was still good but the rest of them... ehh | ||
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Nabes
Canada1800 Posts
On December 29 2011 19:21 ShadeR wrote: Funny... you say that on a foreign starcraft site. what do you mean? I have no idea what you are talking about. | ||
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toopham
United States551 Posts
not because of nolstagia. | ||
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Daozzt
United States1263 Posts
On December 29 2011 19:09 OrangeSoda wrote: Main reason why no one watches brood war? you are a funny guy. You are correct about the graphics being outdated, considering the game is over a decade old, but really you think the main reason is the graphics? The main reason no one watches broodwar is because its casted at awful times for NA and EU, oh and its casted in Korean, good luck getting anyone into a game when its only catered to koreans. Also what are the chances someone bothers to pick up a game made in 98, or any game from the 90s. your BW elitism is terrible, you play broodwar so you look down upon anyone that doesn't play it? I remember back in the day when we poked eachother with sticks because thats all there was! now kids these days got all these gizmos and gadgets! they can't even apperciate a good stick poking now! How is that elitist at all? New players don't play dated games because they are turned off because to them, the game looks like garbage and they can't see past the dated textures. How you can deny that is beyond me. If you gave a kid who grew up playing halo a gameboy color, he'd probably toss it in the trash. The only people who appreciate old games for their quality are older gamers 90% of the time (obviously). | ||
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toopham
United States551 Posts
On December 29 2011 19:42 OrangeSoda wrote: what do you mean? I have no idea what you are talking about. I think he's trying to say by making the statement "good luck getting anyone into a game when its only catered to koreans." on a website dedicated to getting foreigns into starcraft is ironic. | ||
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Sawamura
Malaysia7602 Posts
On December 29 2011 19:55 Daozzt wrote: How is that elitist at all? New players don't play dated games because they are turned off because to them, the game looks like garbage and they can't see past the dated textures. How you can deny that is beyond me. If you gave a kid who grew up playing halo a gameboy color, he'd probably toss it in the trash. The only people who appreciate old games for their quality are older gamers 90% of the time (obviously). I grew up playing pokemon on game boy colour and playing halo in college . I can say this is not true.... | ||
c3rberUs
Japan11928 Posts
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