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On November 30 2011 18:17 Kiett wrote:Poor Stork. He may not have been in S-class form this year, but he most certainly is an S-class player. He's made 12 consecutive Ro16 appearances in the OSL, been in 5 SL finals, and has a winning record against every other member of TBLS. I think it's rather sad that people no longer appreciate his many years of amazing and consistent play and accomplishments, just because of this last year. I mean, there's a reason why there's a B in TBLS, and it's not just because it's catchy. Even the best sometimes fall into slumps. Doesn't mean he was never S-class.
i feel like ever since his first big slump in 2008 (after losing to flash in the OSL) he has been very streaky. he totally sucked in the summer of 2008, then won the OSL in the fall, and then sucked again in most of 2009, then in 2010 he turned awesome again for a few months and made another OSL final (and 2 semifinals), and then he was pretty mediocre for the rest of 2011. during his slumps everyone seem to forget how awesome stork can be, and that he has always come back from them.
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On November 30 2011 21:38 Fenrax wrote:
Currently I would rank S and A class players like this:
S class: Flash, Bisu, Jaedong
A+class: Hydra, Stork, EffOrt, ZerO, Jangbi, Leta, Fantasy
A class: Sea, Light, Neo.G_Soulkey, Bogus, Horang2
A- class: Movie, Stats, Killer, Mind, Firebathero, Soo, BaBy, BeSt
I'd go like this.
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After the games on January 1st, every team will have played 7 games. Most of our top picks will probably have played 5-7 games, except perhaps CJ if they keep 3-0ing teams. I can't wait to see how so many players do in the January PR. =)
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Right! 3 games played by all teams so far. I'm gonna put out a feeler for a ranking. Let's get some discussion with round 1 nearly half done! Actual rank is extremely iffy, of course. However, right now these are the 10 guys I'm really feeling.
1.  Flash - No discussion required.
2.  Hydra - Still the best ZvZer. Sure, Brave failed badly, but part of that was due to Hydra capitalizing on a weaker player's mistakes, not everyone can do this.
3. Jaedong - Greed against Best cost him the game, but his second ZvP where he sat on 3 bases for a while showed he learned his lesson (2 base toss PvZ is strong this season). Oh, and he's still the best ZvTer, just ask Mind what happens when 3 base Guardian and Ultra into Defiler comes your way.
4. Neo.G_Soulkey - ZerO out, SK in. Godlike Lurker-Defiler anti-mech? Check. Supreme contain against 2 base toss? Check. Still good at ZvZ? Yup. If anything he has a great argument against surpassing the Zergs ahead of him, we shall see.
5.  Bisu - Beesuit.
6. JangBi - Jangbang. Shuttle-Reaver control wrecked Light. Amazing PvP comeback due to micro. Fail 2 Gate vs Effort, but time shall tell if he learned his lesson.
7. BeSt - Good PvZ? We'll see. Awesome late game PvT? As usual. A lot of people were favouring Light before gosu mine drags, storms, recall, and general awesomeness.
8. Stork - I still love the split Zealot distraction against ZerO. Good harassment in that game and also in his PvP vs Movie, showing this old dragon (and Neo King) can still multitask. Hero still had good ZvP last season, so Stork handling him pretty handily is not to be overlooked.
9. EffOrt - 3-0 in all 3 matchups. While this is the first PR in a few months and thus it is easier to get a high rank out of nowhere, 400 days off is a lot to make up for. He could easily go up with dominating play in the rest of the round, of course. Queen switch against Iris didn't look so hot, so I want to see his ZvT again.
10. Fantasy - Really, this guy could be anywhere on the list, don't worry about the number. M&M looking good just like last year. Like Effort, he will prove himself as the round continues.
CBNC: BaBy, Horang2
Keeping an eye (or 2) on: FBH, by.Sun, Light, Leta (1 game? CJ doesn't even need a Terran this good??), shy, free, RorO, ZerO
Those guys aren't CBNC in my book yet, but since there's still plenty of games to go, I want to see how they do and they certainly have a shot at making the list.
Discuss! Ignore my post and make your own insights, or respond, or whatever. But let's see some PR talk. =)
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On December 01 2011 05:12 gen.Sun wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 21:38 Fenrax wrote:
Currently I would rank S and A class players like this:
S class: Flash, Bisu, Jaedong
A+class: Hydra, Stork, EffOrt, ZerO, Jangbi, Leta, Fantasy
A class: Sea, Light, Neo.G_Soulkey, Bogus, Horang2
A- class: Movie, Stats, Killer, Mind, Firebathero, Soo, BaBy, BeSt I'd go like this.
Remove Mind and Soo, move down horang2. Then I'd agree
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best above JD in all honesty, he's been clutch, i think baby should take fantasy's place since fantasy hasnt even been played that much, you cant be a threat if you're not there. I think shy deserves a mention, hes the critical missing link that stars' 4 man lineup really needed, a rookie stepping up should always be applauded.
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I think By.Sun deserves a spot this month to be honest.
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I know this isn't an ELO discussion thread, but I want to bring it up somewhere.
ELO. EffOrt. What the heck is wrong with this rating system?
Effort wins 3 games after 400 days off. He is now #8 ELO.
Neo.G_Soulkey has also won his first 3 games this season. On top of ending last season on a 3 game win streak. His last 35 are an incredible 26-9 since April (74.29%). Soulkey is 10th ELO.
And before Effort's 3 game winstreak, way back in 2010? He had lost 4 in a row. His last 35 (including the recent 3-0) is 21-14 (60%).
How is this even in the realm of possibility? ELO points don't degrade over time? But that can't be true, because didn't Effort drop in ELO over time during his retirement? I know ELO is nothing more than algorithms, but it just doesn't seem right that 3 games in 400 days can elevate you so high, and yet more recent and better results are lesser (SK).
Not to hate on Effort as has a good chance of cracking the Top 10 PR and certainly won't make Top 10 of Kespa for a long time, but ELO now confounds me.
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On December 15 2011 05:14 Crisium wrote:I know this isn't an ELO discussion thread, but I want to bring it up somewhere. ELO. EffOrt. What the heck is wrong with this rating system? Effort wins 3 games after 400 days off. He is now #8 ELO. Neo.G_Soulkey has also won his first 3 games this season. On top of ending last season on a 3 game win streak. His last 35 are an incredible 26-9 since April (74.29%). Soulkey is 10th ELO. And before Effort's 3 game winstreak, way back in 2010? He had lost 4 in a row. His last 35 (including the recent 3-0) is 21-14 (60%). How is this even in the realm of possibility? ELO points don't degrade over time? But that can't be true, because didn't Effort drop in ELO over time during his retirement? I know ELO is nothing more than algorithms, but it just doesn't seem right that 3 games in 400 days can elevate you so high, and yet more recent and better results are lesser (SK). Not to hate on Effort as has a good chance of cracking the Top 10 PR and certainly won't make Top 10 of Kespa for a long time, but ELO now confounds me.
I think it's because he won the 2010 OSL?
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On December 15 2011 05:14 Crisium wrote:I know this isn't an ELO discussion thread, but I want to bring it up somewhere. ELO. EffOrt. What the heck is wrong with this rating system? Effort wins 3 games after 400 days off. He is now #8 ELO. Neo.G_Soulkey has also won his first 3 games this season. On top of ending last season on a 3 game win streak. His last 35 are an incredible 26-9 since April (74.29%). Soulkey is 10th ELO. And before Effort's 3 game winstreak, way back in 2010? He had lost 4 in a row. His last 35 (including the recent 3-0) is 21-14 (60%). How is this even in the realm of possibility? ELO points don't degrade over time? But that can't be true, because didn't Effort drop in ELO over time during his retirement? I know ELO is nothing more than algorithms, but it just doesn't seem right that 3 games in 400 days can elevate you so high, and yet more recent and better results are lesser (SK). Not to hate on Effort as has a good chance of cracking the Top 10 PR and certainly won't make Top 10 of Kespa for a long time, but ELO now confounds me.
He was ~5 ELO when he "retired", how much did his ELO decrease over the 400 days? Or was he simply made "invisible" on the ELO page due to the retirement?
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Flamewheel, I think you should start fresh with the next power rank. I know you usually take into account a player's previous position when assessing their position in the new one, but it's been SO LONG that I think a reboot is appropriate.
By the way, thank you for continuing to do the BW power rank, even after its unceremonious removal from the front page! I look forward to it every month (or whenever), and i'm sure there are lots of others that do too.
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On December 15 2011 05:51 HardMacro wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 05:14 Crisium wrote:I know this isn't an ELO discussion thread, but I want to bring it up somewhere. ELO. EffOrt. What the heck is wrong with this rating system? Effort wins 3 games after 400 days off. He is now #8 ELO. Neo.G_Soulkey has also won his first 3 games this season. On top of ending last season on a 3 game win streak. His last 35 are an incredible 26-9 since April (74.29%). Soulkey is 10th ELO. And before Effort's 3 game winstreak, way back in 2010? He had lost 4 in a row. His last 35 (including the recent 3-0) is 21-14 (60%). How is this even in the realm of possibility? ELO points don't degrade over time? But that can't be true, because didn't Effort drop in ELO over time during his retirement? I know ELO is nothing more than algorithms, but it just doesn't seem right that 3 games in 400 days can elevate you so high, and yet more recent and better results are lesser (SK). Not to hate on Effort as has a good chance of cracking the Top 10 PR and certainly won't make Top 10 of Kespa for a long time, but ELO now confounds me. He was ~5 ELO when he "retired", how much did his ELO decrease over the 400 days? Or was he simply made "invisible" on the ELO page due to the retirement?
You know, I think he must have been made invisible. He was 2192 ELO when he retired in August 2010, and he was 2192 ELO in January 2011. So he is still technically riding off his mid-2010 success. Still bugs me, but I guess that's the nature of ELO since it doesn't take time into consideration like Kespa.
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Going to be tough for Flamewheel since there are so few games played nowadays. Thanks for your effort and time!
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On December 15 2011 06:01 Crisium wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 05:51 HardMacro wrote:On December 15 2011 05:14 Crisium wrote:I know this isn't an ELO discussion thread, but I want to bring it up somewhere. ELO. EffOrt. What the heck is wrong with this rating system? Effort wins 3 games after 400 days off. He is now #8 ELO. Neo.G_Soulkey has also won his first 3 games this season. On top of ending last season on a 3 game win streak. His last 35 are an incredible 26-9 since April (74.29%). Soulkey is 10th ELO. And before Effort's 3 game winstreak, way back in 2010? He had lost 4 in a row. His last 35 (including the recent 3-0) is 21-14 (60%). How is this even in the realm of possibility? ELO points don't degrade over time? But that can't be true, because didn't Effort drop in ELO over time during his retirement? I know ELO is nothing more than algorithms, but it just doesn't seem right that 3 games in 400 days can elevate you so high, and yet more recent and better results are lesser (SK). Not to hate on Effort as has a good chance of cracking the Top 10 PR and certainly won't make Top 10 of Kespa for a long time, but ELO now confounds me. He was ~5 ELO when he "retired", how much did his ELO decrease over the 400 days? Or was he simply made "invisible" on the ELO page due to the retirement? You know, I think he must have been made invisible. He was 2192 ELO when he retired in August 2010, and he was 2192 ELO in January 2011. So he is still technically riding off his mid-2010 success. Still bugs me, but I guess that's the nature of ELO since it doesn't take time into consideration like Kespa.
Ah thanks for clearing that up, no wonder he's way up there in the ELO charts. But then again, with the 3 games that he has played he seems to be his former self so all is right with the world.
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GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
Guys, you should all keep an eye on Free. He's gonna hit top 10 again, just you watch and your fpls watch!
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On December 15 2011 07:03 amazingxkcd wrote:
Guys, you should all keep an eye on Free. He's gonna hit top 10 again, just you watch and your fpls watch!
I hope so, I always liked him but always seemed to not turn it up one more notch. Hopefully his most recent victory over SKT Bisu will give him the confidence...
Me personally I am looking at Soulkey and Baby. They have always been good, but this season I have a feeling they are going to explode into awesomeness
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United States10567 Posts
I would say FlaSh, Effort, Hydra, BeSt, Bisu. Fill in the rest, ranks are not fixed in current order for me, but FlaSh, Effort 1,2 punch.
FlaSh - Don't even try to argue it.
Effort - ^
Hydra - Still amazing as usual, really can't say much about him at this point.
BeSt - 2-0 vs Z this season, vs CH and JAEDONG... let me say that again, JAEDONG. JvP? nah, more like SKToss vs Z.
Bisu - 3 up.
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Hydra Effort Best and Soulkey are the hottest at the moment. Other considerations include horang2, flash, stork, and baby.
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yeah just glancing at it in my right panel (it's not gone! i'll always keep it♥) i was wondering if we would get new ones, great to read you will do 'em.
Sorry i can't contribute but fanboy cheers heh, gonna be hard though with the format and the top players potentially not meeting each other as often as in the past!
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There should be a spoilered section in the OP containing the actual updated Power Rank so that we dont have to go to another link
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