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sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11062 Posts
November 29 2011 16:40 GMT
#41
haven't watched any of this season yet apart from a bit of jd/mind this morning so can't really comment, stupid work and stupid new times
p: stats, horang2, free, jangbi z: soulkey, zero, shine, hydra t: leta, hiya, sea
slappy
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1271 Posts
November 29 2011 16:44 GMT
#42
On November 30 2011 01:04 Kiett wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2011 00:59 slappy wrote:
I love to read people's opinions/posts, THEN check their team icon. Fanboyism never fails


Bisu sucks and has a big nose.

Flash is the best!!!!!!11!!! GO KT!!


lmfao kiett you silly girl you just made my brain explode
jaedong imba
Crisium
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1618 Posts
November 29 2011 17:12 GMT
#43
Jaedong returns to #3 ELO. As I said in my earlier post, we have no reason to question that this man can ZvT better than anyone. But still, that game was hella impressive. As long as he can do that and win a majority of vP (even if barely) he has no reason to drop out of the top 10 for a long time.

Bisu, Flash, Jaedong. It seems so right. Hopefully Stork can win 2/3 of his games this season and join them.
Broodwar and Stork forever! List of BW players with most Ro16, Ro8: http://tinyurl.com/BWRo16-Ro8
Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-29 17:13:41
November 29 2011 17:13 GMT
#44
Mind vs Jaedong was close , I believe in the viper ,these is just his first game .
BW/KT Forever R.I.P KT.Violet dearly missed ..
KamMoye
Profile Joined December 2010
United States721 Posts
November 29 2011 17:26 GMT
#45
On November 29 2011 16:41 doothegee wrote:
60% winrate in 2011, with a MSL finals and semi-finals appearance, BoX wins over Stork and Jaedong, 6-2 in playoffs with a win over Flash.

/fanboy


proleague starts in november. from november 'til august he won 58% of his games in a significant sample size (> 100 games played).

i'm a big fan of zero too but it's disingenuous to claim he's S-class or ever will be

there's not much to talk about re the next list, but i'm interested in seeing how the following players perform:

Clam: chugged along with a 51% win rate last season (my barometer for the "season" is 11.1.10 to proleague GF) but won 57% of his games the prior two seasons. he should at least get back to 55%.

Bogus: a good player but i suspect he overperformed last season. i'd be pleasantly surprised if he maintained a win-rate hovering around 60% again.

Kal: Protoss Player of the Year in '10, a major flop in '11. but lack of practice time in ACE may mean he never reaches A-class again.

By.Sun: been really good recently but a teeny tiny sample size.

JangBi: can he remain an elite player for an entire season?

free: despite a terrible season his career win-rate is amongst the best on the scene and he is a former dragon. woongjin is forced to count on him and it wouldnt be surprising for him to become one of the best protosses again.

killer: there's a chance he takes a hydra-like jump and cements himself as an elite zerg

violet: we miss you!
Cr4zyH0r5e
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Peru1308 Posts
November 29 2011 18:21 GMT
#46
^Agreed. People still refuse to call FanTaSy S-class and last season he achieved:

62.7% Winrate + 1 OSL gold & 1 OSL silver going down 2 - 3.

ZerO sitll has a looong way to go.
Diamond 4 Jungle/Support - http://www.twitch.tv/cr4zyh0r5e/c/3051057 Zyra support 101
topherthetoad
Profile Joined September 2008
China130 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-29 20:00:59
November 29 2011 19:18 GMT
#47
What is there to debate?

Bisu ranked #1 ELO.

50 ELO points above # 2 (Flash).

ELO peaking at #1 PvP. All time PvP record stands at #3 PvT (5 points from Janbi's 2260) but his next PvT win will break all previous PvT ELO records.

# 1 vZ on the scene. Bar none. 6 points from ELO peaking at his previous PvZ ELO record. Next PvZ he'll break his previous PvZ ELO record and break oov's to gain third highest of all time.

#1 PvP and hot on the heals of # 3 vT ELO (Fantasy).

Most wins in previous season.

Current win streak: 7.
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-29 19:21:38
November 29 2011 19:21 GMT
#48
And still he wasn't sent out in the most important game of the season, the ace game of the Grand Finals vs Flash. Why is that?
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
topherthetoad
Profile Joined September 2008
China130 Posts
November 29 2011 19:37 GMT
#49
You want me to make up an answer? Or pretend I am in cahoots with SKT's coaching staff and involved in their planning?
RoyW
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Ireland270 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-29 19:43:40
November 29 2011 19:42 GMT
#50
All: 425-166 (71.91%)
vT: 155-52 (74.88%)
vZ: 142-59 (70.65%)
vP: 128-55 (69.95%)

Flash is simply in a class of his own, the best player ever by a significant amount. 66 wins - 23 losses (74.16%) this year, playing with a serious wrist injury for the second half of it, and the highest peak ELO in all categories.
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
November 29 2011 19:46 GMT
#51
I'm just saying I think there's an awful lot of bias behind your post. You talk as though Bisu is the undisputed #1 of the scene, and still he hasn't been anywhere CLOSE to a Starleauge final for years, and wasn't sent out for the single most important game of the entire year.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
Djabanete
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States2786 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-29 20:02:56
November 29 2011 19:58 GMT
#52
Not enough info yet to order them properly, but these are probably our people:

Flash
Jangbi
Bisu
Jaedong
Zero
Stork
Fantasy
Effort
Baby
Hydra

Goddamn will there ever be competition for the PR. It seems like the contention is as fierce as ever.

I don't envy flamewheel in January. Just think of Sea, Leta, FBH, Soulkey, Best, Stats, the CJ protosses... the next power rank is going to be a massacre of good players weeded out. All we know for sure is that the sun still rises every day and Flash is still #1
May the BeSt man win.
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
November 29 2011 20:00 GMT
#53
Yeh, the scene is brimming with talent atm. :D
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
DarkMatter_
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada1774 Posts
November 29 2011 20:05 GMT
#54
IMO, top 3 right now should be Flash, Jangbi and Bisu. I'd like to see Baby somewhere on the PR as well. He's been looking pretty scary so far this season. JD, Hydra should obviously be on there as well.
blubbdavid
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Switzerland2412 Posts
November 29 2011 20:31 GMT
#55
Is wooki really that good people make him to seem?
What do you desire? Money? Glory? Power? Revenge? Or something that surpasses all other? Whatever you desire - that is here. Tower of God ¦¦Nutella, drink of the Gods
Crisium
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1618 Posts
November 29 2011 20:35 GMT
#56
Magic 8 Ball says... Ask again next week. His game was way too short and he faced a brutal strategy from Baby.
Broodwar and Stork forever! List of BW players with most Ro16, Ro8: http://tinyurl.com/BWRo16-Ro8
slappy
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1271 Posts
November 29 2011 20:41 GMT
#57
I'm fuckin stoked to see if ACE can take out an Effort/Leta/Hydra combo! :O
If they do, it's kind of funny, since ACE doesn't have any "ACE" per say, but they are winning as a TEAM! I would vote for ACE to be ranked on PR, since no single player would be
jaedong imba
bearbuddy
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3442 Posts
November 29 2011 20:46 GMT
#58
Don't think there's gonna be a legitimate PR until the OSL is well underway, heh.
reincremate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China2216 Posts
November 29 2011 22:07 GMT
#59
Flash and Baby both have 100% win rates this season and at least twice as many wins as any other player--clearly rank 1 and 2 for next PR. Just kidding, too early to make predictions.
Mortality
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States4790 Posts
November 29 2011 23:08 GMT
#60
On November 30 2011 03:21 Cr4zyH0r5e wrote:
^Agreed. People still refuse to call FanTaSy S-class and last season he achieved:

62.7% Winrate + 1 OSL gold & 1 OSL silver going down 2 - 3.

ZerO sitll has a looong way to go.


What? Fanta is obviously S-class. Anyone saying otherwise is talking garbage. BigFile semifinals, OSL gold, OSL silver. You don't fluke your way into that. The only thing about Fanta is that he's one of the streakiest players in all of BW history, alternating between playing so good that even Flash is probably jealous and then losing games that just make you want to smack your head against a wall. But you have to realize that a lot of those losses come for stupid, gimmicky reasons that Fanta averts when the chips are down. He is incredibly clutch.

Zero is a recent addition to S-class, but I don't see why anyone would deny him that. He's been floating around #5-6 ELO almost all year, pretty steadily rising in KeSPA, and turned out an MSL semis followed by MSL silver. In regular season games, 11-7 against TBLS in 2011 as well as 2-0 against Fantasy and 2-0 against Jangbi. If you're regularly beating S-class, then you are S-class.
Even though this Proleague bullshit has been completely bogus, I really, really, really do not see how Khan can lose this. I swear I will kill myself if they do. - nesix before KHAN lost to eNature
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