• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 09:52
CET 15:52
KST 23:52
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Finals Preview: Sweet Victory!12[ASL22] Ro4 Preview: Mirror Mirror6[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5
Community News
[BSL23] RO16 Group Stage12Weekly Cups (Nov 2-8): herO back on top?2Weekly Cups (Oct 26 - Nov 1): MaxPax, herO, Solar win0Weekly Cups (October 19-25): Clem triples first in 5.0.175Evil Geniuses - shutting down23
StarCraft 2
General
Serral's getting trashed by New Catsle's Mind Weekly Cups (Nov 2-8): herO back on top? Liquibets sc2 season 30 No more SC2 streamers on team liquid? StarCraft open world shooter announced at BlizzCon
Tourneys
RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-22 Tasteless Time Warp: SC Evo Showmatch (May 25) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament iNu's Battles #22 SC4ALL: II Venue Change Announcement!
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
Starcraft 2 Advance [G] How to playtest arcade maps [D] the control group Simple Questions/Answers
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 551 Robotic Revival Mutation # 550 Graveyard Shift Mutation # 549 Endless Sparkles
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion [BSL23] RO16 Group Stage List of top players active on ShieldBattery screpdb: new Starcraft reporting tool [BW] Looking for Clan Thread!
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues 2v2v2v2 Tournament Stage 1: Community Poll [$1250] International ShieldBattery League Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
Nuke strategy worked in K-League 2026-11-09 50,000-Word Terran Builds Memo 2026-10-22 Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy)
Other Games
General Games
Path of Exile Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread General RTS Discussion Thread ZeroSpace Early Access is Now Live!
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25!
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
Trading/Investing Thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Dating: How's your luck? European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread US Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
Fan Club Resource Thread Reynor Fan Club The Flash Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
The time I organised my…
AssyrianKing
Why I built Repalyzer (1.1.…
BlueStar
Innovate or Game Over?
TrAiDoS
ShieldBattery on Mac
Kraekkling
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 12680 users

Power Rank Discussion Thread - Page 3

Forum Index > BW General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 37 38 39 Next All
sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11062 Posts
November 29 2011 16:40 GMT
#41
haven't watched any of this season yet apart from a bit of jd/mind this morning so can't really comment, stupid work and stupid new times
p: stats, horang2, free, jangbi z: soulkey, zero, shine, hydra t: leta, hiya, sea
slappy
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1271 Posts
November 29 2011 16:44 GMT
#42
On November 30 2011 01:04 Kiett wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2011 00:59 slappy wrote:
I love to read people's opinions/posts, THEN check their team icon. Fanboyism never fails


Bisu sucks and has a big nose.

Flash is the best!!!!!!11!!! GO KT!!


lmfao kiett you silly girl you just made my brain explode
jaedong imba
Crisium
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1618 Posts
November 29 2011 17:12 GMT
#43
Jaedong returns to #3 ELO. As I said in my earlier post, we have no reason to question that this man can ZvT better than anyone. But still, that game was hella impressive. As long as he can do that and win a majority of vP (even if barely) he has no reason to drop out of the top 10 for a long time.

Bisu, Flash, Jaedong. It seems so right. Hopefully Stork can win 2/3 of his games this season and join them.
Broodwar and Stork forever! List of BW players with most Ro16, Ro8: http://tinyurl.com/BWRo16-Ro8
Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-29 17:13:41
November 29 2011 17:13 GMT
#44
Mind vs Jaedong was close , I believe in the viper ,these is just his first game .
BW/KT Forever R.I.P KT.Violet dearly missed ..
KamMoye
Profile Joined December 2010
United States721 Posts
November 29 2011 17:26 GMT
#45
On November 29 2011 16:41 doothegee wrote:
60% winrate in 2011, with a MSL finals and semi-finals appearance, BoX wins over Stork and Jaedong, 6-2 in playoffs with a win over Flash.

/fanboy


proleague starts in november. from november 'til august he won 58% of his games in a significant sample size (> 100 games played).

i'm a big fan of zero too but it's disingenuous to claim he's S-class or ever will be

there's not much to talk about re the next list, but i'm interested in seeing how the following players perform:

Clam: chugged along with a 51% win rate last season (my barometer for the "season" is 11.1.10 to proleague GF) but won 57% of his games the prior two seasons. he should at least get back to 55%.

Bogus: a good player but i suspect he overperformed last season. i'd be pleasantly surprised if he maintained a win-rate hovering around 60% again.

Kal: Protoss Player of the Year in '10, a major flop in '11. but lack of practice time in ACE may mean he never reaches A-class again.

By.Sun: been really good recently but a teeny tiny sample size.

JangBi: can he remain an elite player for an entire season?

free: despite a terrible season his career win-rate is amongst the best on the scene and he is a former dragon. woongjin is forced to count on him and it wouldnt be surprising for him to become one of the best protosses again.

killer: there's a chance he takes a hydra-like jump and cements himself as an elite zerg

violet: we miss you!
Cr4zyH0r5e
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Peru1308 Posts
November 29 2011 18:21 GMT
#46
^Agreed. People still refuse to call FanTaSy S-class and last season he achieved:

62.7% Winrate + 1 OSL gold & 1 OSL silver going down 2 - 3.

ZerO sitll has a looong way to go.
Diamond 4 Jungle/Support - http://www.twitch.tv/cr4zyh0r5e/c/3051057 Zyra support 101
topherthetoad
Profile Joined September 2008
China130 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-29 20:00:59
November 29 2011 19:18 GMT
#47
What is there to debate?

Bisu ranked #1 ELO.

50 ELO points above # 2 (Flash).

ELO peaking at #1 PvP. All time PvP record stands at #3 PvT (5 points from Janbi's 2260) but his next PvT win will break all previous PvT ELO records.

# 1 vZ on the scene. Bar none. 6 points from ELO peaking at his previous PvZ ELO record. Next PvZ he'll break his previous PvZ ELO record and break oov's to gain third highest of all time.

#1 PvP and hot on the heals of # 3 vT ELO (Fantasy).

Most wins in previous season.

Current win streak: 7.
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-29 19:21:38
November 29 2011 19:21 GMT
#48
And still he wasn't sent out in the most important game of the season, the ace game of the Grand Finals vs Flash. Why is that?
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
topherthetoad
Profile Joined September 2008
China130 Posts
November 29 2011 19:37 GMT
#49
You want me to make up an answer? Or pretend I am in cahoots with SKT's coaching staff and involved in their planning?
RoyW
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Ireland270 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-29 19:43:40
November 29 2011 19:42 GMT
#50
All: 425-166 (71.91%)
vT: 155-52 (74.88%)
vZ: 142-59 (70.65%)
vP: 128-55 (69.95%)

Flash is simply in a class of his own, the best player ever by a significant amount. 66 wins - 23 losses (74.16%) this year, playing with a serious wrist injury for the second half of it, and the highest peak ELO in all categories.
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
November 29 2011 19:46 GMT
#51
I'm just saying I think there's an awful lot of bias behind your post. You talk as though Bisu is the undisputed #1 of the scene, and still he hasn't been anywhere CLOSE to a Starleauge final for years, and wasn't sent out for the single most important game of the entire year.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
Djabanete
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States2786 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-29 20:02:56
November 29 2011 19:58 GMT
#52
Not enough info yet to order them properly, but these are probably our people:

Flash
Jangbi
Bisu
Jaedong
Zero
Stork
Fantasy
Effort
Baby
Hydra

Goddamn will there ever be competition for the PR. It seems like the contention is as fierce as ever.

I don't envy flamewheel in January. Just think of Sea, Leta, FBH, Soulkey, Best, Stats, the CJ protosses... the next power rank is going to be a massacre of good players weeded out. All we know for sure is that the sun still rises every day and Flash is still #1
May the BeSt man win.
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
November 29 2011 20:00 GMT
#53
Yeh, the scene is brimming with talent atm. :D
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
DarkMatter_
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada1774 Posts
November 29 2011 20:05 GMT
#54
IMO, top 3 right now should be Flash, Jangbi and Bisu. I'd like to see Baby somewhere on the PR as well. He's been looking pretty scary so far this season. JD, Hydra should obviously be on there as well.
blubbdavid
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Switzerland2412 Posts
November 29 2011 20:31 GMT
#55
Is wooki really that good people make him to seem?
What do you desire? Money? Glory? Power? Revenge? Or something that surpasses all other? Whatever you desire - that is here. Tower of God ¦¦Nutella, drink of the Gods
Crisium
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1618 Posts
November 29 2011 20:35 GMT
#56
Magic 8 Ball says... Ask again next week. His game was way too short and he faced a brutal strategy from Baby.
Broodwar and Stork forever! List of BW players with most Ro16, Ro8: http://tinyurl.com/BWRo16-Ro8
slappy
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1271 Posts
November 29 2011 20:41 GMT
#57
I'm fuckin stoked to see if ACE can take out an Effort/Leta/Hydra combo! :O
If they do, it's kind of funny, since ACE doesn't have any "ACE" per say, but they are winning as a TEAM! I would vote for ACE to be ranked on PR, since no single player would be
jaedong imba
bearbuddy
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3442 Posts
November 29 2011 20:46 GMT
#58
Don't think there's gonna be a legitimate PR until the OSL is well underway, heh.
reincremate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China2216 Posts
November 29 2011 22:07 GMT
#59
Flash and Baby both have 100% win rates this season and at least twice as many wins as any other player--clearly rank 1 and 2 for next PR. Just kidding, too early to make predictions.
Mortality
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States4790 Posts
November 29 2011 23:08 GMT
#60
On November 30 2011 03:21 Cr4zyH0r5e wrote:
^Agreed. People still refuse to call FanTaSy S-class and last season he achieved:

62.7% Winrate + 1 OSL gold & 1 OSL silver going down 2 - 3.

ZerO sitll has a looong way to go.


What? Fanta is obviously S-class. Anyone saying otherwise is talking garbage. BigFile semifinals, OSL gold, OSL silver. You don't fluke your way into that. The only thing about Fanta is that he's one of the streakiest players in all of BW history, alternating between playing so good that even Flash is probably jealous and then losing games that just make you want to smack your head against a wall. But you have to realize that a lot of those losses come for stupid, gimmicky reasons that Fanta averts when the chips are down. He is incredibly clutch.

Zero is a recent addition to S-class, but I don't see why anyone would deny him that. He's been floating around #5-6 ELO almost all year, pretty steadily rising in KeSPA, and turned out an MSL semis followed by MSL silver. In regular season games, 11-7 against TBLS in 2011 as well as 2-0 against Fantasy and 2-0 against Jangbi. If you're regularly beating S-class, then you are S-class.
Even though this Proleague bullshit has been completely bogus, I really, really, really do not see how Khan can lose this. I swear I will kill myself if they do. - nesix before KHAN lost to eNature
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 37 38 39 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 1h 38m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
ByuN (SOOP) 28
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 7652
BeSt 2335
Rain 2080
Shuttle 1254
EffOrt 909
Mini 639
Light 563
Rush 343
Soulkey 282
Larva 231
[ Show more ]
Leta 195
Snow 184
hero 145
Stork 124
Mind 112
Hyun 101
Zeus 99
Pusan 72
ToSsGirL 26
Bale 25
Killer 22
Free 21
soO 18
sorry 17
Rock 16
Hm[arnc] 15
JYJ 15
Bishop 14
Movie 13
Trap 9
sOs 8
Sacsri 6
Dota 2
Gorgc4857
qojqva1954
Dendi1220
monkeys_forever214
syndereN209
Heroes of the Storm
crisheroes404
Other Games
singsing2080
FrodaN972
B2W.Neo937
Liquid`RaSZi621
Lowko371
byalli345
DeMusliM227
XaKoH 200
ArmadaUGS150
Mew2King77
QueenE64
KnowMe53
ViBE34
Railgan31
Organizations
Other Games
BasetradeTV148
StarCraft: Brood War
UltimateBattle 26
lovetv 7
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• ChaeLyn 7
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 2499
• WagamamaTV347
League of Legends
• Jankos1790
• Nemesis1005
• TFBlade561
Upcoming Events
3D!Clan Event
1h 38m
The PondCast
19h 8m
KCM Race Survival
19h 8m
WardiTV Invitational
21h 8m
OSC
1d 8h
ArT vs MindelVK
MiniZergUA vs TBD
Shameless vs TBD
Ultimate Battle
1d 21h
OSC
2 days
ByuN vs MaxPax
herO vs Krystianer
Percival vs Shameless
LetaleX vs YoungYakov
Nicoract vs Gerald
GgMaChine vs ArT
CranKy Ducklings
2 days
IPSL
3 days
TerrOr vs IJ_Terran
rasowy vs Hazorath
BSL
3 days
TerrOr vs OyAji
UltrA vs Gosudark
[ Show More ]
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
IPSL
4 days
Art_Of_Turtle vs KameZerg
Radley vs George
BSL
4 days
Artosis vs Dewalt
Ret vs Tech
WardiTV Weekly
4 days
PiGosaur Cup
6 days
The PondCast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-11-09
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HCC Season 3

Ongoing

Acropolis #5
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 4
International ShieldBattery League
Individual League
BSL Season 23
IPSL Winter 2026-27
Calamity Cup Div. A Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026

Upcoming

YSL S4
Sector 951
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
StarCraft2 Weekly Open Tournament 2026 Grand Finals
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Underdog Cup 2026 Div 2-3
PGL Bucharest 2027
BLAST Bounty Winter 2027
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.