• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 11:18
CEST 17:18
KST 00:18
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy6[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Rough Waters10[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Siren's Call8[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Summer's End9
Community News
Weekly Cups (Sep 13-20): herO scores triple1BSL Season 235Weekly Cups (Sep 7-12): SHIN, ByuN, MaxPax double down1StarCraft open world shooter announced at BlizzCon101Weekly Cups (Aug 30-Sep 7): herO thrives amid growing schism10
StarCraft 2
General
Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool The Death of Cheese: From a Professional Cheeser Weekly Cups (Sep 13-20): herO scores triple Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16) StarCraft open world shooter announced at BlizzCon
Tourneys
2026 GSTL Announcement Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-22 SC2 AI Tournament 2026 Fall
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
Nexus Wars 2021 GUIDE [M] (2) Industrial Park
External Content
Mutation # 544 Double Trouble The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 543 Enhanced Defenses Mutation # 542 The Ascended
Brood War
General
an AI researcher's take on the ladder bot New 3v3 BGH Ladder (and more) on ShieldBattery! Bot on ladder Recent recommended BW games BSL Season 23
Tourneys
[IPSL] IPSL is Back With Winter 26-27! [ASL22] Ro8 Day 1 [BSL23] SM: Ret vs TerrOr -> DragOn vs StRyKeR [Megathread] Daily Proleagues
Strategy
Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) Replay Review Process - What do you do? Simple Questions, Simple Answers Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation
Other Games
General Games
Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread EVE Corporation Diablo IV
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25! Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Artificial Intelligence Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine All you football fans (soccer)! Russo-Ukrainian War Thread
Fan Clubs
MarineLorD Fan Club The Creator Fan Club The ShoWTimE Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Diablo Animated Series on Netflix
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Gaming Intensity, Problemati…
TrAiDoS
38 yo Retired SWE loo…
PurE)Rabbit-SF
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
[meme] I finally understa…
LUCKY_NOOB
Regacy Esports:Our Goa…
regacyesports
Dreaming of BW patches (mod…
c3rberUs
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 9458 users

Power Rank Discussion Thread - Page 2

Forum Index > BW General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 37 38 39 Next All
sinistral
Profile Joined October 2010
Singapore859 Posts
November 29 2011 05:53 GMT
#21
Well, it's still early like flamewheel said, but it's about time FBH should be inside the Power Rank. ACE represent!
(´・ω・`)
Gara
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada435 Posts
November 29 2011 06:08 GMT
#22
On November 29 2011 14:53 baubo wrote:
I feel a December PR will either have to be "inspired" like your typical preseason College Football ranking, or it should just be skipped. Just looking at the last PR, we have Jangbi, Flash, Fantasy, Hydra, Zero, Stats, Jaedong, Killer, and Hoejja. Hoejja's not worth staying on unless he shows a brilliant game today. But there's nothing to suggest the other players should drop out. Heck, even the order seems more or less intact if you look at it.

Show nested quote +
On November 29 2011 14:44 Gara wrote:
On November 29 2011 14:07 Release wrote:
Flash and Jangbi still major hot. Both not afraid to offensive counter opponents' builds.
Flash crisis management still very good, and micro still stellar.
Jangbi pretty much counter everything light tried to do. Beat the OSL curse which is unique to say the least.
Stork played a solid game, but losing multiple observers to hydras is not so hot.

+ Show Spoiler +
EFFORTEFFORTEFFORTEFFORTEFFORTEFFORTEFFORTEFFORTEFFORTEFFORTEFFORTEFFORTEFFORTEFFORTEFFORTEFFORTEFFORTEFFORTEFFORTEFFORTEFFORTEFFORTEFFORTEFFORTEFFORTEFFORTEFFORTEFFORTEFFORTEFFORTEFFORTEFFORTEFFORTEFFORTEFFORTEFFORTEFFORT


Stork's observer control is infamous... So many games lost on the back of poor observer control. Honestly, Stork is my favorite player, but there are so many aspects of his game that he simply doesn't improve... ever.


I disagree. I thought Zero was at a more disadvantage each time he tried to snipe observers that game. He lost a lot more in hydras getting stormed while trying to snipe. This despite the fact that his economy operating at about 50% of Stork's economy. Stork didn't mind waiting to push out. He had 6(?) gateways churning out dragoons while Zero barely mined his 3rd. A delay doesn't help Zero because he couldn't drone up. There weren't enough lurkers for a contain.

That said, it didn't matter anyway. Zero was dead in the water after those harass anyway. Sniping observers just made his demise a little latter but more surely.


Hmmm... I wasn't really talking about the Stork vs. Zero game in particular, just Stork's observer micro and Zero's ascent in general.

My point was more that based on his past season's performance, Zero has clearly established himself as an S-class zerg player. Opinions about Stork's observer control seem mixed... There are games where he loses a lot of obs, but also games where he uses them effectively.
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
November 29 2011 06:09 GMT
#23
I'm skipping the December ranking. There will only be one week's worth of data and I have finals.
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
Navi
Profile Joined November 2009
5286 Posts
November 29 2011 06:13 GMT
#24
imo, we should be able to pick between or present both (if possible) SC2 or SC1 power ranking like it was before
Hey! Listen!
Kralic
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada2628 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-29 06:18:00
November 29 2011 06:16 GMT
#25
I think FBH should get at least top 5 for making Action sweat big time(at this time).

Thank you for the Power Rank again!

edit: I thought (Z)EffOrt played this weekend(to the post below).
Brood War forever!
Canadium
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada171 Posts
November 29 2011 06:16 GMT
#26
I too am very very sad that we didn't get to see Effort play this weekend.... I'm hoping for big things from him. On the other hand Baby looked really solid in his game vs. Soo.
You better run Charles....
whatusername
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada1181 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-29 06:18:55
November 29 2011 06:18 GMT
#27
Uhhh... effort did play this weekend vs. hyvaa

im gay
atombombforpeace
Profile Joined December 2008
United States408 Posts
November 29 2011 06:22 GMT
#28
Just given the huge amount of time between the last games and now, there's a possibility for great changes in people's gameplay. I haven't seen enough to talk much, but I think we should look heavily at recent results over past glory.
ffreakk
Profile Joined September 2010
Singapore2155 Posts
November 29 2011 06:24 GMT
#29
Hmm.. I might be biased but i think (P)By.Sun is definitely worth keeping a lookout for.. All-killing Hwaseung Oz last season, and his opening game this season wasn't shabby at all.

That said, outside of the Jaedong vs BeSt game, none of the other games were a major surprise.. Those who should win, won, for the most part... I don't see any major changes with our usual Power Rank placings.. Outside of Hydra being there at all, but only cos i hate him. :3

Oh and Soulkey is good too, but we already know that hes good for a long time, so bah..
Look. Only Forward. See. Only Victory.
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
November 29 2011 06:39 GMT
#30
not much to talk about
in no order:
bisu jaedong? flash stork
jangbi effort (hydra or baby or best or whoever... movie?)

killer?

anyway not enough games. need more games
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-29 06:47:03
November 29 2011 06:46 GMT
#31
fm,

It's only been one week man and yes I miss it from the sidebar, but apparently we can change that in our customization, no?

Anyway, I think the next one should be written around the new year.

With that said, Jangbi still looks great. Effort showed he hasn't missed a beat. Stork looked solid. Flash did what we expect. Light almost made a game out of being that far behind. Won't comment on Free yet because I still think it's too early. Almost forgot Bisu, yeah he was solid too.

Blah, blah, blah.

Let's see what happens tonight!
KamMoye
Profile Joined December 2010
United States721 Posts
November 29 2011 07:32 GMT
#32
On November 29 2011 14:44 Gara wrote:
Especially now that Zero is a legitimate S-class player,


Wat? S-class players win more than 55% of their games...
doothegee
Profile Joined December 2009
Korea (South)3011 Posts
November 29 2011 07:41 GMT
#33
On November 29 2011 16:32 KamMoye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2011 14:44 Gara wrote:
Especially now that Zero is a legitimate S-class player,


Wat? S-class players win more than 55% of their games...

60% winrate in 2011, with a MSL finals and semi-finals appearance, BoX wins over Stork and Jaedong, 6-2 in playoffs with a win over Flash.

/fanboy
웅진 멘쓰즈
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
November 29 2011 09:56 GMT
#34
Based on the initial games, not much have changed in the BW scene. Flash still raping hardcore, Jangbi showing off his PvT flair, JD having flawless ZvT and sub-optimal everything else, etc.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
soujiro_
Profile Joined June 2010
Uruguay5195 Posts
November 29 2011 15:40 GMT
#35
On November 29 2011 14:11 flamewheel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2011 14:06 slappy wrote:
can't we just get our shit back on the right side???? or even stickied at the top of BW General???

I inquired. We will see.


tell them to remove bw elo ranking and put the pr there instead.
hope they will hear you
ace hwaiting!!
ffreakk
Profile Joined September 2010
Singapore2155 Posts
November 29 2011 15:47 GMT
#36
On November 29 2011 18:56 Holgerius wrote:
Based on the initial games, not much have changed in the BW scene. Flash still raping hardcore, Jangbi showing off his PvT flair, JD having flawless ZvT and sub-optimal everything else, etc.


I like how you conveniently skip over the fact that Bisu is still the best player that ever graced the BW scene.

But i forgive u ^_^
Look. Only Forward. See. Only Victory.
slappy
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1271 Posts
November 29 2011 15:59 GMT
#37
I love to read people's opinions/posts, THEN check their team icon. Fanboyism never fails
jaedong imba
Kiett
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States7639 Posts
November 29 2011 16:04 GMT
#38
On November 30 2011 00:59 slappy wrote:
I love to read people's opinions/posts, THEN check their team icon. Fanboyism never fails


Bisu sucks and has a big nose.

Flash is the best!!!!!!11!!! GO KT!!
Writer:o
corumjhaelen
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
France6884 Posts
November 29 2011 16:21 GMT
#39
On November 30 2011 01:04 Kiett wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2011 00:59 slappy wrote:
I love to read people's opinions/posts, THEN check their team icon. Fanboyism never fails


Bisu sucks and has a big nose.

Flash is the best!!!!!!11!!! GO KT!!

Glad you've found the light.
+ Show Spoiler +
Fanboyism aside, Flash is the best bw player ever.
And Bisu is pretty.
‎numquam se plus agere quam nihil cum ageret, numquam minus solum esse quam cum solus esset
magicman
Profile Joined October 2008
Philippines54 Posts
November 29 2011 16:31 GMT
#40
On November 30 2011 00:47 ffreakk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2011 18:56 Holgerius wrote:
Based on the initial games, not much have changed in the BW scene. Flash still raping hardcore, Jangbi showing off his PvT flair, JD having flawless ZvT and sub-optimal everything else, etc.


I like how you conveniently skip over the fact that Bisu is still the best player that ever graced the BW scene.

But i forgive u ^_^


i agree with you

+10 LOL

kim taek yong fighting

and dont forget that hair.lol
if you aint first.your last
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 37 38 39 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 42m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
ProTech149
StarCraft: Brood War
Bisu 2190
Jaedong 1586
Soulkey 768
Mini 695
hero 603
Larva 398
Stork 268
ggaemo 261
Barracks 251
firebathero 170
[ Show more ]
Hyun 98
Sexy 70
Snow 62
Sharp 59
Mong 52
JYJ 32
ToSsGirL 32
Shinee 32
Free 29
Trap 26
HiyA 23
sorry 21
NotJumperer 20
Terrorterran 19
yabsab 17
NaDa 12
scan(afreeca) 10
JulyZerg 9
IntoTheRainbow 7
Dewaltoss 3
eros_byul 3
Dota 2
Gorgc7625
qojqva2156
Dendi900
BananaSlamJamma132
Counter-Strike
x6flipin397
edward193
Heroes of the Storm
crisheroes424
Khaldor203
Trikslyr32
Other Games
singsing2201
Liquid`RaSZi1172
hiko935
Lowko441
B2W.Neo399
XBOCT287
Hui .261
Liquid`VortiX221
QueenE87
Mew2King64
ArmadaUGS54
Rex42
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream10690
PGL Dota 2 - Secondary Stream6144
Other Games
WardiTV277
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 5
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• mYiSmile131
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 2155
League of Legends
• Nemesis2385
• TFBlade982
Other Games
• WagamamaTV201
• Shiphtur33
Upcoming Events
Monday Night Weeklies
42m
Sparkling Tuna Cup
18h 42m
Afreeca Starleague
18h 42m
Light vs EffOrt
OSC
20h 42m
PiGosaur Cup
1d 8h
Kung Fu Cup
1d 19h
The PondCast
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Korean StarCraft League
4 days
CranKy Ducklings
4 days
[ Show More ]
GSL
5 days
Yamato Cup
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Afreeca Starleague
6 days
WardiTV Weekly
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Super Anchor Qualifying S3
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Big Dog Cup 2026 Div 1

Ongoing

ASL Season 22
CSL 2026 AUTUMN (S22)
Acropolis #5
Acropolis #5 - GSA
Calamity Invitational
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026

Upcoming

Acropolis #5 - GSB
Acropolis #5 - GSC
BSL Season 23
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Copium Cup
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.