• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 11:23
CEST 17:23
KST 00:23
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners5Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection7Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO8 Preview5[ASL21] Finals Preview: Two Legacies21
Community News
[BSL22] Non-Korean Championship from 13 to 28 June2Weekly Cups (May 25-31): Clem doubles, 2v2 circuit heads toward finale0StarCraft II 5.0.16 PTR Patch Notes may 26th151Weekly Cups (May 18-24): MaxPax wins doubles0Crank Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League6
StarCraft 2
General
TL Poll: How do you feel about the 5.0.16 PTR balance changes? Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection Oliveira Would Have Returned If EWC Continued Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview
Tourneys
Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) Douyu Cup 2026 Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule ! GSL Code S Season 2 (2026) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 529 Opportunities Unleashed Mutation # 528 Infection Detected Welcome to the External Content forum
Brood War
General
Data needed Quality of life changes in BW that you will like ? BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW fans in southern Sweden, look here! 25 Years Since Brood War Patch 1.08
Tourneys
[ASL21] Grand Finals [BSL22] Grand Finals - Sunday 21:00 CEST [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2
Strategy
Why doesn't anyone use restoration? Any training maps people recommend? Muta micro map competition [G] Hydra ZvZ: An Introduction
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread PC Games Sales Thread ZeroSpace Megathread Summer Games Done Quick 2026!
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Trading/Investing Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [TV/BOOK] *SPOILERS* Game of Thrones Discussion [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Cricket [SPORT] NBA General Discussion McBoner: A hockey love story Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Facing Challenges in Mobile App Development
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
How Streaming Impacts Game P…
TrAiDoS
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
I'm an arrogant trash talke…
FlaShFTW
Gauntlet SC2: A Retrospectiv…
Ctone23
Why RTS gamers make better f…
gosubay
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 17806 users

Power Rank Discussion Thread - Page 2

Forum Index > BW General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 37 38 39 Next All
sinistral
Profile Joined October 2010
Singapore859 Posts
November 29 2011 05:53 GMT
#21
Well, it's still early like flamewheel said, but it's about time FBH should be inside the Power Rank. ACE represent!
(´・ω・`)
Gara
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada435 Posts
November 29 2011 06:08 GMT
#22
On November 29 2011 14:53 baubo wrote:
I feel a December PR will either have to be "inspired" like your typical preseason College Football ranking, or it should just be skipped. Just looking at the last PR, we have Jangbi, Flash, Fantasy, Hydra, Zero, Stats, Jaedong, Killer, and Hoejja. Hoejja's not worth staying on unless he shows a brilliant game today. But there's nothing to suggest the other players should drop out. Heck, even the order seems more or less intact if you look at it.

Show nested quote +
On November 29 2011 14:44 Gara wrote:
On November 29 2011 14:07 Release wrote:
Flash and Jangbi still major hot. Both not afraid to offensive counter opponents' builds.
Flash crisis management still very good, and micro still stellar.
Jangbi pretty much counter everything light tried to do. Beat the OSL curse which is unique to say the least.
Stork played a solid game, but losing multiple observers to hydras is not so hot.

+ Show Spoiler +
EFFORTEFFORTEFFORTEFFORTEFFORTEFFORTEFFORTEFFORTEFFORTEFFORTEFFORTEFFORTEFFORTEFFORTEFFORTEFFORTEFFORTEFFORTEFFORTEFFORTEFFORTEFFORTEFFORTEFFORTEFFORTEFFORTEFFORTEFFORTEFFORTEFFORTEFFORTEFFORTEFFORTEFFORTEFFORTEFFORTEFFORT


Stork's observer control is infamous... So many games lost on the back of poor observer control. Honestly, Stork is my favorite player, but there are so many aspects of his game that he simply doesn't improve... ever.


I disagree. I thought Zero was at a more disadvantage each time he tried to snipe observers that game. He lost a lot more in hydras getting stormed while trying to snipe. This despite the fact that his economy operating at about 50% of Stork's economy. Stork didn't mind waiting to push out. He had 6(?) gateways churning out dragoons while Zero barely mined his 3rd. A delay doesn't help Zero because he couldn't drone up. There weren't enough lurkers for a contain.

That said, it didn't matter anyway. Zero was dead in the water after those harass anyway. Sniping observers just made his demise a little latter but more surely.


Hmmm... I wasn't really talking about the Stork vs. Zero game in particular, just Stork's observer micro and Zero's ascent in general.

My point was more that based on his past season's performance, Zero has clearly established himself as an S-class zerg player. Opinions about Stork's observer control seem mixed... There are games where he loses a lot of obs, but also games where he uses them effectively.
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
November 29 2011 06:09 GMT
#23
I'm skipping the December ranking. There will only be one week's worth of data and I have finals.
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
Navi
Profile Joined November 2009
5286 Posts
November 29 2011 06:13 GMT
#24
imo, we should be able to pick between or present both (if possible) SC2 or SC1 power ranking like it was before
Hey! Listen!
Kralic
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada2628 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-29 06:18:00
November 29 2011 06:16 GMT
#25
I think FBH should get at least top 5 for making Action sweat big time(at this time).

Thank you for the Power Rank again!

edit: I thought (Z)EffOrt played this weekend(to the post below).
Brood War forever!
Canadium
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada171 Posts
November 29 2011 06:16 GMT
#26
I too am very very sad that we didn't get to see Effort play this weekend.... I'm hoping for big things from him. On the other hand Baby looked really solid in his game vs. Soo.
You better run Charles....
whatusername
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada1181 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-29 06:18:55
November 29 2011 06:18 GMT
#27
Uhhh... effort did play this weekend vs. hyvaa

im gay
atombombforpeace
Profile Joined December 2008
United States408 Posts
November 29 2011 06:22 GMT
#28
Just given the huge amount of time between the last games and now, there's a possibility for great changes in people's gameplay. I haven't seen enough to talk much, but I think we should look heavily at recent results over past glory.
ffreakk
Profile Joined September 2010
Singapore2155 Posts
November 29 2011 06:24 GMT
#29
Hmm.. I might be biased but i think (P)By.Sun is definitely worth keeping a lookout for.. All-killing Hwaseung Oz last season, and his opening game this season wasn't shabby at all.

That said, outside of the Jaedong vs BeSt game, none of the other games were a major surprise.. Those who should win, won, for the most part... I don't see any major changes with our usual Power Rank placings.. Outside of Hydra being there at all, but only cos i hate him. :3

Oh and Soulkey is good too, but we already know that hes good for a long time, so bah..
Look. Only Forward. See. Only Victory.
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
November 29 2011 06:39 GMT
#30
not much to talk about
in no order:
bisu jaedong? flash stork
jangbi effort (hydra or baby or best or whoever... movie?)

killer?

anyway not enough games. need more games
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-29 06:47:03
November 29 2011 06:46 GMT
#31
fm,

It's only been one week man and yes I miss it from the sidebar, but apparently we can change that in our customization, no?

Anyway, I think the next one should be written around the new year.

With that said, Jangbi still looks great. Effort showed he hasn't missed a beat. Stork looked solid. Flash did what we expect. Light almost made a game out of being that far behind. Won't comment on Free yet because I still think it's too early. Almost forgot Bisu, yeah he was solid too.

Blah, blah, blah.

Let's see what happens tonight!
KamMoye
Profile Joined December 2010
United States721 Posts
November 29 2011 07:32 GMT
#32
On November 29 2011 14:44 Gara wrote:
Especially now that Zero is a legitimate S-class player,


Wat? S-class players win more than 55% of their games...
doothegee
Profile Joined December 2009
Korea (South)3011 Posts
November 29 2011 07:41 GMT
#33
On November 29 2011 16:32 KamMoye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2011 14:44 Gara wrote:
Especially now that Zero is a legitimate S-class player,


Wat? S-class players win more than 55% of their games...

60% winrate in 2011, with a MSL finals and semi-finals appearance, BoX wins over Stork and Jaedong, 6-2 in playoffs with a win over Flash.

/fanboy
웅진 멘쓰즈
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
November 29 2011 09:56 GMT
#34
Based on the initial games, not much have changed in the BW scene. Flash still raping hardcore, Jangbi showing off his PvT flair, JD having flawless ZvT and sub-optimal everything else, etc.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
soujiro_
Profile Joined June 2010
Uruguay5195 Posts
November 29 2011 15:40 GMT
#35
On November 29 2011 14:11 flamewheel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2011 14:06 slappy wrote:
can't we just get our shit back on the right side???? or even stickied at the top of BW General???

I inquired. We will see.


tell them to remove bw elo ranking and put the pr there instead.
hope they will hear you
ace hwaiting!!
ffreakk
Profile Joined September 2010
Singapore2155 Posts
November 29 2011 15:47 GMT
#36
On November 29 2011 18:56 Holgerius wrote:
Based on the initial games, not much have changed in the BW scene. Flash still raping hardcore, Jangbi showing off his PvT flair, JD having flawless ZvT and sub-optimal everything else, etc.


I like how you conveniently skip over the fact that Bisu is still the best player that ever graced the BW scene.

But i forgive u ^_^
Look. Only Forward. See. Only Victory.
slappy
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1271 Posts
November 29 2011 15:59 GMT
#37
I love to read people's opinions/posts, THEN check their team icon. Fanboyism never fails
jaedong imba
Kiett
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States7639 Posts
November 29 2011 16:04 GMT
#38
On November 30 2011 00:59 slappy wrote:
I love to read people's opinions/posts, THEN check their team icon. Fanboyism never fails


Bisu sucks and has a big nose.

Flash is the best!!!!!!11!!! GO KT!!
Writer:o
corumjhaelen
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
France6884 Posts
November 29 2011 16:21 GMT
#39
On November 30 2011 01:04 Kiett wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2011 00:59 slappy wrote:
I love to read people's opinions/posts, THEN check their team icon. Fanboyism never fails


Bisu sucks and has a big nose.

Flash is the best!!!!!!11!!! GO KT!!

Glad you've found the light.
+ Show Spoiler +
Fanboyism aside, Flash is the best bw player ever.
And Bisu is pretty.
‎numquam se plus agere quam nihil cum ageret, numquam minus solum esse quam cum solus esset
magicman
Profile Joined October 2008
Philippines54 Posts
November 29 2011 16:31 GMT
#40
On November 30 2011 00:47 ffreakk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2011 18:56 Holgerius wrote:
Based on the initial games, not much have changed in the BW scene. Flash still raping hardcore, Jangbi showing off his PvT flair, JD having flawless ZvT and sub-optimal everything else, etc.


I like how you conveniently skip over the fact that Bisu is still the best player that ever graced the BW scene.

But i forgive u ^_^


i agree with you

+10 LOL

kim taek yong fighting

and dont forget that hair.lol
if you aint first.your last
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 37 38 39 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Maestros of the Game
14:00
Playoffs
Serral vs herOLIVE!
Classic vs Rogue
TBD vs Clem
RotterdaM1692
IntoTheiNu 1480
ComeBackTV 1116
TaKeTV 585
Ryung 305
Rex235
SteadfastSC213
IndyStarCraft 177
3DClanTV 95
EnkiAlexander 94
BRAT_OK 74
CosmosSc2 63
LiquipediaDiscussion
OSC
13:00
King of the Hill #252
EmpressLilyy30
iHatsuTV 17
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RotterdaM 1692
Ryung 305
Rex 235
SteadfastSC 213
IndyStarCraft 177
BRAT_OK 74
CosmosSc2 63
RushiSC 18
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 54212
Sea 2754
Shuttle 2168
EffOrt 1364
BeSt 565
Soma 411
Light 384
Jaedong 358
ggaemo 314
Rush 243
[ Show more ]
Snow 102
Hyun 101
Free 75
sorry 65
Sacsri 43
ToSsGirL 38
Barracks 35
Terrorterran 23
Rock 19
GoRush 18
soO 16
Shine 16
IntoTheRainbow 13
ajuk12(nOOB) 10
Dota 2
Gorgc10134
qojqva1896
League of Legends
Reynor51
Counter-Strike
fl0m8741
kRYSTAL_29
Other Games
gofns58441
tarik_tv10700
Lowko1166
B2W.Neo678
FrodaN361
crisheroes309
DeMusliM283
Happy268
mouzStarbuck160
KnowMe158
ArmadaUGS91
Trikslyr41
MindelVK7
Organizations
Other Games
BasetradeTV225
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 13
• Kozan
• Migwel
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• sooper7s
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
StarCraft: Brood War
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
League of Legends
• Nemesis3890
• TFBlade918
Other Games
• Shiphtur3
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
8h 38m
CranKy Ducklings
18h 38m
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
23h 38m
BSL22 NKC (BSL vs China)
1d 3h
eOnzErG vs Mihu
Messiah vs XuanXuan
Jaystar vs TerrOr
Dewalt vs Bonyth
eOnzErG vs XuanXuan
Mihu vs TerrOr
Messiah vs Bonyth
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 18h
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
1d 23h
BSL22 NKC (BSL vs China)
2 days
Jaystar vs Dewalt
eOnzErG vs TerrOr
XuanXuan vs Bonyth
Mihu vs Dewalt
Messiah vs Jaystar
eOnzErG vs Bonyth
TerrOr vs Dewalt
OSC
2 days
Wardi Open
2 days
Replay Cast
4 days
[ Show More ]
The PondCast
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
CranKy Ducklings
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

BSL Season 22
2026 GSL S2
Heroes Pulsing #1

Ongoing

IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
Acropolis #4
CSCL: Masked Kings S4
YSL S3
Acropolis #4 - GSB
SCTL 2026 Spring
Maestros of the Game 2
WardiTV Spring 2026
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Murky Cup 2026
Heroes Pulsing #2
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1

Upcoming

BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
HSC XXIX
Douyu Cup 2026
Heroes Pulsing #3
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.