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Gescom
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada3513 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-15 01:54:32
December 15 2011 01:49 GMT
#101
I wish OSL would start soon. It's too tough to judge right now with so few games being played. Only one game in the last few months for Fantasy and Leta...? X_X

No ace matches is a bit of a piss-off, too.

The fact that Hyuk may never play proleague again is a frightening thought to me.
Jaedong Hyuk || Bisu Jangbi || Fantasy Flash
Fenrax
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States5018 Posts
December 15 2011 02:09 GMT
#102
On December 14 2011 21:05 Iplaythings wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2011 05:12 gen.Sun wrote:
On November 30 2011 21:38 Fenrax wrote:
Currently I would rank S and A class players like this:

S class: Flash, Bisu, Jaedong

A+class: Hydra, Stork, EffOrt, ZerO, Jangbi, Leta, Fantasy

A class: Sea, Light, Neo.G_Soulkey, Bogus, Horang2

A- class: Movie, Stats, Killer, Mind, Firebathero, Soo, BaBy, BeSt


I'd go like this.

Remove Mind and Soo, move down horang2. Then I'd agree


Easy to say 2 weeks later with new games.
awwnuts07
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States621 Posts
December 15 2011 02:13 GMT
#103
On December 15 2011 10:49 Gescom wrote:
I wish OSL would start soon. It's too tough to judge right now with so few games being played. Only one game in the last few months for Fantasy and Leta...? X_X

No ace matches is a bit of a piss-off, too.

The fact that Hyuk may never play proleague again is a frightening thought to me.

When does OSL start? Does it run concurrent with Proleague?
I'm a noob
Gann1
Profile Joined July 2009
United States1575 Posts
December 15 2011 04:27 GMT
#104
There's been no news as to when it's gonna start, and yeah it normally runs concurrent with Proleague.
I drop suckas like Plinko
J1.au
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Australia3596 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-15 05:08:54
December 15 2011 05:08 GMT
#105
One individual league, no ace matches and barely any games played. I just can't see the point of a Power Rank any more. Top spots will always go to those with OSL success.
red4ce
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States7313 Posts
December 15 2011 05:15 GMT
#106
Will the power rank still be relevant in the contracted proleague and post-MSL era? We still have no word on the OSL and with proleague alone 5-6 games a month aren't enough to have any sort of meaningful debate. The lack of ACE match and winners means the best players will just rack up most of their kills against run of the mill players rather than playing each other. Debating over whether Flash or Jaedong dominated scrubs more thoroughly hardly sounds interesting.
Seraphic
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3849 Posts
December 15 2011 05:25 GMT
#107
On December 14 2011 18:41 Crisium wrote:
Right! 3 games played by all teams so far. I'm gonna put out a feeler for a ranking. Let's get some discussion with round 1 nearly half done! Actual rank is extremely iffy, of course. However, right now these are the 10 guys I'm really feeling.

1. (T)Flash - No discussion required.
2. (Z)Hydra - Still the best ZvZer. Sure, Brave failed badly, but part of that was due to Hydra capitalizing on a weaker player's mistakes, not everyone can do this.
3. (Z)Jaedong - Greed against Best cost him the game, but his second ZvP where he sat on 3 bases for a while showed he learned his lesson (2 base toss PvZ is strong this season). Oh, and he's still the best ZvTer, just ask Mind what happens when 3 base Guardian and Ultra into Defiler comes your way.
4. (Z)Neo.G_Soulkey - ZerO out, SK in. Godlike Lurker-Defiler anti-mech? Check. Supreme contain against 2 base toss? Check. Still good at ZvZ? Yup. If anything he has a great argument against surpassing the Zergs ahead of him, we shall see.
5. (P)Bisu - Beesuit.
6. (P)JangBi - Jangbang. Shuttle-Reaver control wrecked Light. Amazing PvP comeback due to micro. Fail 2 Gate vs Effort, but time shall tell if he learned his lesson.
7. (P)BeSt - Good PvZ? We'll see. Awesome late game PvT? As usual. A lot of people were favouring Light before gosu mine drags, storms, recall, and general awesomeness.
8. (P)Stork - I still love the split Zealot distraction against ZerO. Good harassment in that game and also in his PvP vs Movie, showing this old dragon (and Neo King) can still multitask. Hero still had good ZvP last season, so Stork handling him pretty handily is not to be overlooked.
9. (Z)EffOrt - 3-0 in all 3 matchups. While this is the first PR in a few months and thus it is easier to get a high rank out of nowhere, 400 days off is a lot to make up for. He could easily go up with dominating play in the rest of the round, of course. Queen switch against Iris didn't look so hot, so I want to see his ZvT again.
10. (T)Fantasy - Really, this guy could be anywhere on the list, don't worry about the number. M&M looking good just like last year. Like Effort, he will prove himself as the round continues.

CBNC: (T)BaBy, (P)Horang2

Keeping an eye (or 2) on: FBH, by.Sun, Light, Leta (1 game? CJ doesn't even need a Terran this good??), shy, free, RorO, ZerO

Those guys aren't CBNC in my book yet, but since there's still plenty of games to go, I want to see how they do and they certainly have a shot at making the list.

Discuss! Ignore my post and make your own insights, or respond, or whatever. But let's see some PR talk. =)



I would sort of put Bisu up by 1 and drop SK down.

Flash
Hydra
JD
Bisu
Jangbi
Effort
SoulKey
Best
Fantasy
Stork.

Though Bisu lost to Free just like today so I'm not sure about that. I honestly don't think SK should be that high because he hasn't really done anything. This month would be a bit interesting. I think Bisu has time to put himself up a bit higher. As well as Fantasy and Stork considering how well they are doing. This month will be very tough. Good luck with that really. I'm curious on the end result.
Natus Vincere Fan | Team Secret Fan | SK Telecom T1 Fan | Lanaya the Templar Assassin <3
Trozz
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada3456 Posts
December 15 2011 07:22 GMT
#108
"This matters to you?"
A friend once said this to me,
while I read PR.

Long live the PR.
It's a great heads up display.
I'll see you next month. [:
A build is not a guess, an estimation or a hunch, a feeling, or a foolish intuition. A build is a dependable, unwavering, unarguably accurate, portrayer of your ambition.
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
December 15 2011 16:40 GMT
#109
On December 15 2011 10:22 Friedrich Nietzsche wrote:
There should be a spoilered section in the OP containing the actual updated Power Rank so that we dont have to go to another link

An excellent suggestion. I will make sure to do so.
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
Mortality
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States4790 Posts
December 15 2011 17:01 GMT
#110
There was some interesting discussion I was involved in here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=291961&currentpage=52#1032

Main point I want to bring up is about SK: he has never won a ZvZ series in his life, not even in prelims. I found this interesting because statistically SK's ZvZ looks really strong if you are just looking at standard league play.

I'm not saying that SK should be barred from higher places on the PR, but I think he has more to prove than most of the other guys near the top. On the subject of Zero, I think he is a better player than SK but he isn't producing results right now, so of course he will have to drop. At this point he can still earn a low PR spot if he produces some stellar results between now and the next ranking, but he needs some really big wins to do it.

I hope individuals start soon. I am very disappointed that it looks like we won't have one last MSL.
Even though this Proleague bullshit has been completely bogus, I really, really, really do not see how Khan can lose this. I swear I will kill myself if they do. - nesix before KHAN lost to eNature
telamascope
Profile Joined April 2010
United States310 Posts
December 18 2011 17:29 GMT
#111
Beating Killer from a slight BO disadvantage should help SoulKey's ZvZ portfolio.

I would also like to bring people's attention to (P)sHy. He's a 3-1 taking down established Proleague players (Sea, Shuttle, and Soo) and a consistent number of his games involve some sort of flashy micro or strategy. Seriously, taking down Sea with hallucinated arbiters and raw multitask is something special.
OopsOopsBaby
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Singapore3425 Posts
December 18 2011 17:44 GMT
#112
when is the deadline for the next power ranks. i expect some adjustments after this week's matches.
s3x2-2 xiao3x2+2 bone3+2+2
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
December 18 2011 17:47 GMT
#113
Before the season started I was a little worried about Flash's shape considering he had a decent amount of time with no BW playing at all, but now I can confidently say that anyone who tries to argue that Flash shouldn't be #1 on the PR is insane. His two TvPs have been absolutely majestic.

Both Stork and SK are looking sick as well, with their perfect 4-0 records and really impressive game-play. It's still quite hard to get a good overview of what the entire Top 10 should look like though.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
stork4ever
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1036 Posts
December 18 2011 19:33 GMT
#114
Stork is rolling in PL, should be moving up to where he deserves, #2
DarkMatter_
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada1774 Posts
December 18 2011 19:57 GMT
#115
Top 10 (not sure about order):
Flash
JD
Soulkey
Baby
Stork
Bisu
Best
Fantasy
Hydra
Stats

CBNC: Shy, Effort
Crisium
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1618 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-18 21:34:35
December 18 2011 21:25 GMT
#116
Stork #2 would please me, heh.

There's so many players that have a great argument for the top 10. At least we have 3 more games to go for each team. Hopefully all the big dogs get to play - having Fantasy and Leta already sitting out 2 games is no fun.

DarkMatter, don't forget JangBi! Both JangBi and Jaedong have to prove themselves versus Z. We haven't seen JD do it yet this season, and JangBi has to show his crappy 2 Gate was a fluke.
Broodwar and Stork forever! List of BW players with most Ro16, Ro8: http://tinyurl.com/BWRo16-Ro8
Hero.SP
Profile Joined March 2010
Chile711 Posts
December 18 2011 21:29 GMT
#117
Lol, why effort? He was outplayed by Stats yesterday
"well you know, the hardest part is the gg, I mean you have to be aware anytime your opponent can type gg, and you have to gg just right after him." - Flash
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
December 20 2011 06:56 GMT
#118
Free outplayed Bisu, does that make Free better?

Considering the last OSL, Jangbi and Fantasy should be locks.
Flash is a lock for #1, or else he must have just lost to Bisu, Jaedong, or Stork
Even being a Bisu-fanboy, to sort out TBLS, you'd honestly have to do it like this:

Flash
JD
Stork
Bisu

What I propose, however, is replacing one Khan toss with the other. Jangbang just won an OSL, guys.

Flash
JD
Jangbi
Bisu
Stork

That looks good to me
Don't forget Fantasy, coming off his OSL defeat
Flash
JD
Jangbi
Bisu
Stork

Where Bisu has just lost 2 PvPs, you can sort of justify dropping him a bit. Simply replace him with Fantasy, and the T1 fanboys won't be as dismayed... like so:

Flash
JD
Jangbi
Fantasy
Stork
Bisu

+ Show Spoiler +
everybody loves offline qualifiers, right?+ Show Spoiler +
RIGHT?

You can even be like "well, stork just beat bisu, wait until next month and we'll see ^^"
Everybody likes easy excuse!

Now, you have to do the A class players who didn't just play in a finals
Hydra, Soulkey, Zero, Sea, Baby, Stats, Bogus, Killer, or someone on a tear like Shy
This is where you can have a little fun. Do you like logical macro players like BeSt, or someone with flowing mid-late game micro like Sea? It's up to you. Hydra just got to the semifinals, and has been in great form. You have to be looking to place him inside somewhere. Perhaps at #5, right above Stork, but under Fantasy. I would hesitate to put anyone else in there

I'm going to cut this a little short, but as an added tidbit, I am disappointed we are not on the right sidebar
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
December 20 2011 07:18 GMT
#119
Oh god I totally forgot about the PR... yeah I don't understand why we can't still have it in the sidebar
:)
TheNessman
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States4158 Posts
December 20 2011 07:23 GMT
#120
wait ok so i see that the power rank has changed, but I can't click anywhere that takes me to the description. I can go to the main power rank thread, but that one hasn't been updated since september??
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