Mondragon vs Testie Best of 27

On June 11 2005 08:55 Liquid`Drone wrote:
too bad people are idiots who pick nostalgia
nostalgia for a showmatch hgfsda it always plays out the same.

On June 11 2005 09:29 Liquid`Drone wrote:
testie told me that mondi beat him 4-1 pvp a little while ago

On June 11 2005 10:39 tranCe[RaGe] wrote:
27 games good practice

On June 11 2005 10:40 iNsaNe- wrote:


More like Z map.

On June 11 2005 11:36 Carnac wrote:
i'd like to see plains to hill or namja iyagi or something like that so much more than nostalgia

On June 11 2005 13:31 IntoTheWow wrote:
T only > Z in the begging, after Z secures 1 more gas its VERY hard to stop him, you dont hve gas either and he can just make his lings stronger and storm your units like there is no tomorrow. :[ my newbie though

On June 11 2005 13:31 pirate cod wrote:
BGH BB LT DIRE would be cooler choices for maps.

On June 11 2005 08:55 Liquid`Drone wrote:
too bad people are idiots who pick nostalgia
nostalgia for a showmatch hgfsda it always plays out the same.

On June 11 2005 09:30 Oxygen wrote:
WGT didn't announce shit. ToT is organizing this.

The source should be gosus.de.

And, I think the map should be NFZ!

On June 11 2005 08:55 Liquid`Drone wrote:
too bad people are idiots who pick nostalgia
nostalgia for a showmatch hgfsda it always plays out the same.

On June 11 2005 13:16 FrozenArbiter wrote:
P doesn't > T ;o
And T really does > Z
Z doesn't really > P (though Z > my P on nost becuase I'm bad at it in most matchups).

IMO, the only matchup which is hard enough to warrant an > tag on nost is TvZ.

On June 11 2005 13:52 Tai-Shu wrote:
I give mondi a 6-0 lead (assuming I understand how ot works correctly z v all 3

On June 11 2005 19:22 SS-guy wrote:
cool :D even though they prob wont play them all, it will be awesome while it lasts

On June 11 2005 18:44 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
I've always thought z>p, p>t and t>z on nostalgia :/

On June 11 2005 13:49 Random() wrote:
what's wrong with nostalgia anyway?

On June 11 2005 20:18 BCloud wrote:
Shouldnt it be bo54? , as for example only one player will play zerg on zvt right?, are they intending to do that, or theyll play both sides on each mu?

On June 11 2005 13:42 FrozenArbiter wrote:

Getting that gas is what's so hard though.

On June 11 2005 20:57 taDa wrote:
they should be using the WCG Maps (although very imbalanced and not finalized) that way they are at least somewhat prepared. O_O;;

On June 11 2005 22:57 IntoTheWow wrote:


Yeah but once he gets that gas he can just pure lurk you out. You have to implement a incredible marine micro in order to advance at all in that map, getting tanks out of 1 gas is really hard... and expoes are away from each other. Zerg will just mad expo everywhere and expoes are so hard to kill around because of bridges or lurks.

But then again, im talking at my skill level.

On June 11 2005 09:18 Liquid`Drone wrote:
who cares about balance when they're playing every matchup

On June 12 2005 04:33 Rekrul wrote:
hooray for attention whores

On June 12 2005 04:19 Liquid`Drone wrote:
yes.

bifrost and char are the only maps I prefer more for zvp I think..
(there are certainly more imbalanced maps though. )

On June 15 2005 13:51 Liquid`Drone wrote:
they've played the best matchups for testie though.

I predict

mondi wins 3-0 zvp
loses 1-2 zvt (because of the maps if anyone are wondering)
wins 3-0 zvz
wins 2-1 pvp
loses 1-2 pvz

which leaves testie winning 14-13 !!

On June 15 2005 15:13 Tfums wrote:
mondi lost zvt

On June 15 2005 16:45 RiSE wrote:


I'd have to go ahead and disagree, Mondragon's zvp is lightyears ahead of Testie's pvz.

On June 15 2005 13:47 Twisted wrote:
http://www.gosus.com/news/comments.php?news=86&sid=1bf8bde1a815a42c7bb455833550eea1

9-3 for testie atm.

On June 15 2005 19:37 k3fka wrote:


*insert 10954024950943205942059509 posts of Testie Dicksuckers here*

*insert in any webpage where testie is not banned + hes profile , 304932509405 zillion Brags about how hes the best non korean*

On June 15 2005 16:57 FrozenArbiter wrote:
I thought he was talking about mondragon's pvz -.-

On June 15 2005 19:56 eternalbliss wrote:
Testie is good, no one can say otherwise it's just he is like Kobe Bryant at his prime, he talks way to much shit and people hate him for it. If he was Mondi, I bet he'd had maybe double Mondi fans.

On June 17 2005 08:35 RiSE wrote:
I'd love to see a bo27, Testie as random and mondi as zerg. I'd predict something like 22-5 in mondi's favor :V

On June 17 2005 08:46 ManaBlue wrote:
Let's see Mondi play some skilled Korean Ts and Zs and we can get a better picture of his overall skill rather than watching him rape protoss players over and over...where's nony when you need him.

On June 17 2005 08:50 LostDevil wrote:
Why does everyone insist Smuft was god or something...

On June 17 2005 08:50 LostDevil wrote:
Why does everyone insist Smuft was god or something...

On June 15 2005 19:42 SickofLife wrote:


You're just jealous that you aren't as good as Testie is. He's definitely top 2. And he just dominated Mondragon against races other than zerg. I think it's safe to say that Testie is probably OVERALL-- as in, including every MU-- the better player; however, single race, Mondragon is probably just as good, maybe better.



He was, RiSE was wrong.

On June 17 2005 08:50 LostDevil wrote:
Why does everyone insist Smuft was god or something...

On June 17 2005 09:47 ManaBlue wrote:


He beat Mondi in a series PvZ for the first TLT final...what the fuck is your problem? Even if you don't like him overall, he is one of few that has contested Mondis ZvP greatness. Stop being a dick.

On June 17 2005 09:47 ManaBlue wrote:


He beat Mondi in a series PvZ for the first TLT final...what the fuck is your problem? Even if you don't like him overall, he is one of few that has contested Mondis ZvP greatness. Stop being a dick.

On June 17 2005 14:19 ronhaak wrote:
how can you even say that. Have you pitted them together and watched the outcome of 100 games? Why do people constantly on this site add their 2cents like its absolute fact. Until you can prove with evidence that mondragon would absolutely crush smuft, I dont believe 1 single word you have written. Seriously, before you people say something that sounds like a fact, back it up with some evidence....otherwise your entire post was a waste of time.

On June 17 2005 08:46 ManaBlue wrote:


I think you have too much confidence in Mondi. 22-5 is a land slide. But I agree, ran vs Z would be more entertaining since they would both be playing their best. This series is clearly just for fun.

From what I've seen in the past, Testie wins many if not most of the Random Zerg vs Zerg games with Mondi (since ZvZ is mondis weakest MU). I'd like to see Testie and Mondi play RvZ or ZvZ series and see what happens.

The big thing is that Mondi is the shit ZvP, and many good foreigners are P so it makes him look even better. Poor FisheYe always gets bitchslapped around everytime because they have to play on Mondi's terf. (His fav MU) Let's see Mondi play some skilled Korean Ts and Zs and we can get a better picture of his overall skill rather than watching him rape protoss players over and over...where's smuft when you need him.

On June 17 2005 13:37 NuclearAntelope wrote:

That's a joke right? Here's the map pool for that final:
-Philanthropist
-Vertigo
-Nostalgia
-Plains 2 Hill

Sounds like a really zerg friendly series, huh? Mondragon was not at his current level back then, either. The present day mondragon would absolutely crush smuft even on that same unfair map pool.

On June 17 2005 09:15 NoRTyDoG wrote:
so your saying Mondi/Testie are top 2?

On June 17 2005 08:46 ManaBlue wrote:


The big thing is that Mondi is the shit ZvP, and many good foreigners are P so it makes him look even better. Poor FisheYe always gets bitchslapped around everytime because they have to play on Mondi's terf. (His fav MU) Let's see Mondi play some skilled Korean Ts and Zs and we can get a better picture of his overall skill rather than watching him rape protoss players over and over...where's smuft when you need him.

On June 17 2005 15:22 FrozenArbiter wrote:

P map, Z map (I dunno, maybe even), Z or balanced, Z or balanced.

You were saying?

On June 17 2005 15:26 LastWish wrote:
Plains to Hill zerg map? I really think it's more like terran map, or balanced.

On June 17 2005 09:47 ManaBlue wrote:


He beat Mondi in a series PvZ for the first TLT final...what the fuck is your problem? Even if you don't like him overall, he is one of few that has contested Mondis ZvP greatness. Stop being a dick.

On June 17 2005 22:01 Guybrush wrote:
Probably because people tend to forget pretty fast, and jump on conclusions way to fast. You can spot it easily among the "OMG Boxer is too old he's never gonna win anything anymore". Boxer is soon 25 and still playing in the top after five years. He was in the final of the biggest tournament in Korea around 6 months ago. Dont tell me he was lucky. The fact is that the game hasnt evolved that much, but the pool of good players have grown. Players doesnt get worse, but other players get better. There is no dominating #1 in Korea, and there havent been since Boxers prime. It's the same outside Korea. Two years ago Mondragon wasnt anything special, and two years from now someone else is going to be better than him. Maybe not because they are "better players" in terms of skill, but probably because Mondragon will lose his motivation and start doing other things. This happens to everyone excluding Testie, but he hasnt been as good as he is now before.

Bottom line is Elky, Smuft, Grrrrr, Slayer, Saft etc CAN start to play again seriously and maybe be the "best" again or something, but why should them ? To disprove some of you saying they suck now and would be totally raped by the good players now ? I think Smuft would have a decent chance vs Mondragon if he started to play again, but there is no way in hell we can find out because most probably he wont start playing again. Anyways my point is the level of players have not increased tremendously the last two-three years, and probably wont either, thus saying the best players two-three years ago would be without chance if they got back into gaming is not valid.

On June 17 2005 20:39 nArAnjO wrote:
zvp on p2h = take exp, make lurks, go mass muta --> take islands = do whatever u want gg ^^

On June 17 2005 18:26 FroZZoR wrote:
p2h is like the worst map for zvp ever imo i don't see how u can say it favors z.
it involves zerg trying to do gay tricks while turtling and staying alive and then probably losing a very long game.

On June 18 2005 06:34 exalted wrote:
Guybrush - I disagree

Back then, strategical thinking and lower macro games were played, nowadays its all about monster macro and timing, Starcraft has certainly evolved, not necessarily through "tactics'" or the choice of units used in each matchup, but the ability of players has certainly increased by a lot. We'd be hardpressed to see a player play as well as Boxer as he did in say, his 2002 WCG domination vs blackman, but his macro is still weak. In a year there will easily be a player who can have that sort of ability (minus the artistical flair and cuteness Boxer has) who makes up for it fully with a dominating macro and timing. Oh wait, he'

On June 17 2005 16:25 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
I agree that Mondragon is much better today, and that Smuft has always had a strong PvZ (not godlike or anything but pretty damn strong). He won TLT because he was the better player of the two. Today he would most likely lose on the same maps. There's no reason to scream for Smuft because Mondragon dominates the foreign PvZ scene, it makes no difference.

On June 17 2005 22:01 Guybrush wrote:
Bottom line is Elky, Smuft, Grrrrr, Slayer, Saft etc CAN start to play again seriously and maybe be the "best" again or something, but why should them ? To disprove some of you saying they suck now and would be totally raped by the good players now ? I think Smuft would have a decent chance vs Mondragon if he started to play again, but there is no way in hell we can find out because most probably he wont start playing again. Anyways my point is the level of players have not increased tremendously the last two-three years, and probably wont either, thus saying the best players two-three years ago would be without chance if they got back into gaming is not valid.

On June 22 2005 14:46 Liquid`Drone wrote:
hohumm

after mondi won the pvz 2-1 I think he will take it 14-13.
the him zerg series will end 7-2 in his favour.

On June 22 2005 17:12 Liquid`Daaman wrote:
btw, if the winner would like to get beat over a new series of 27 games i might be able to help!! these players are too chobo

On June 22 2005 17:12 Liquid`Daaman wrote:
btw, if the winner would like to get beat over a new series of 27 games i might be able to help!! these players are too chobo

On June 22 2005 17:06 FrozenArbiter wrote:
Hehehehe, testie had some art macro in that nost pvp.. maxed out in just over 13 minutes (13:0X or something).

On June 25 2005 12:34 maVi wrote:


yeah that was quite amazing.

watched it two times and i still dont know, how he did that =D

On July 05 2005 10:35 OuT[GG] wrote:
I hope to see good games hopefully !

Testie > Mondie GOGO TESTIE !!

On July 05 2005 13:55 jtan wrote:
Right now it just seems impossible to beat mondi for any P player-.-

But in a 3 game series, testie can always find something weird and end up winning. Should be interesting!!

On July 07 2005 09:59 FrozenArbiter wrote:

Nice how draco beat him 2-1 just a day after this post ;D

On July 05 2005 14:08 NonY wrote:
testie will win

On July 07 2005 12:27 Destroyer wrote:
after that Draco couldnt beat both Twins and Fisheye's zerg on lan tourney

On July 07 2005 10:09 MaRiO.BrOs_ wrote:

yup and Draco even won a game on nostalgia where mondragon is known to be pretty much unstoppable :O

On July 07 2005 14:03 Beamo wrote:
Are reps of these games available ?

On July 07 2005 15:05 Hot_Bid wrote:
guys, mondragon is allowed to lose a pvz on a land map... it's amazing enough that he's beaten every korean protoss he's played in their clan wars, and all of a sudden everyone expects him to go undefeated in an entire matchup hahaha

On July 07 2005 12:27 Destroyer wrote:
after that Draco couldnt beat both Twins and Fisheye's zerg on lan tourney

On July 07 2005 17:17 Tossim1 wrote:
you guys overrate mondragons zvp WAY too much
his zvp is very good yes, but you guys overrate it to the point where his zvp is just as good as someone like julyzerg or something ;o

On July 07 2005 21:48 Guybrush wrote:
It's good but not top 10 in the world. IPX, Chojja, July, Gorush, Yellow, GGplay, Oversky, Max, SaferZ, JJu have better imo.

On July 08 2005 03:05 Twisted wrote:
...the only thing you can take for granted (even though it might not be true), is the opinion of good players. Eri said Mondi has top 10 ZvP in the world maybe, and you can accept that as truth for the well being...

On July 08 2005 04:20 Yellow4ever wrote:
hahahaha mondi top 10 zvp omg dude,so u think that from all koreans zergs pros and semipros with >300 apm and 10 hours/day practice mondi is better? well ok this story has gone 2 far,mondi just lost 2 draco bo3.mondi might be top2-3 player in europe but u stop it there,there are many crazy zergs out there u know.And mondi's zvt is not good at all.

On July 08 2005 03:15 Resonate wrote:


what a load of shit, you don't seriously believe that do you?

Eri may be right, but he's just guessing, there's no way to tell. As you said: "If he'd be in Korea and beat upon all those pro protoss players, or losing hardcore to them, then you'd be able to draw a conclusion out of it." There's no reason to believe Eri more than any other sc fan who analyses game styles regularly and carefully

there are just too many sick zergs in the semi-pro scene for that kind of top-10 statement to hold any weight

On July 25 2005 01:33 Liquid`Drone wrote:
testie has carpal tunnel so I guess this won't happen anytime really soon

On July 25 2005 02:32 wahnsinn wrote:
O_O

If I regularly masturbate / play guitar, am I safe?

On July 25 2005 02:32 wahnsinn wrote:
O_O

If I regularly masturbate / play guitar, am I safe?

On July 25 2005 02:32 wahnsinn wrote:
O_O

If I regularly masturbate / play guitar, am I safe?

On July 25 2005 02:32 wahnsinn wrote:
O_O

If I regularly masturbate / play guitar, am I safe?

On July 25 2005 05:53 decafchicken wrote:
Testie can cry me a fucking river, I WANT THOSE REPLAYS.

On July 25 2005 07:23 jtan wrote:

Ehh...

The replays are already released. They just didn't play the last 3 games. Testie didn't want to someone said.

On July 25 2005 08:32 Tai-Shu wrote:
I seem to recall watching testie play a game on saturday....

On July 25 2005 10:01 Raidern wrote:
but anyway, does it have a cure or something?
or it will just get better after a time of rest, and it will be back if he play hard again?

On July 25 2005 15:01 Jim wrote:
He must have played for days in a row to get that considering his godly bw-stamina after many years of playing??

On July 25 2005 02:29 Liquid`Drone wrote:
it's something you get if you use the computer too much
makes your hand constantly hurt and even more so if you play bw
caused by repeating the same action(s) too many times without enough variation. :D

On July 25 2005 16:39 ManaBlue wrote:
He still played because he was feeling a bit better that day and he felt he had a responsibility to play.



Actually, his years of playing, regardless of the "stamina" he showed in that period, are the very reason why he's developed this problem. Only therapy and rest can help him. The problem being that it can reaccure very easily esspecially if he continues to play so much, even after recovering.

Some people get lucky and never have the problem, and some develope it quickly for what seems like no reason. We should all knock on wood that we don't someday develope it ourselves. Being an avide computer user and a guitar player to boot, I am slightly concerned that I may develope it in the future.

On July 25 2005 17:17 Refrain[FriZ] wrote:
wtf that is fucking sick he actually got carpal tunnel syndrome from gaming?

that's serious

"OMG WHAT IS CARPAL TUNNEL +_+ I DUNNO HOW TO USE GOOGLE"