EPTI'm sorry to all the current broodwar players who have grown up with this beautiful game and had to see its demise like this, i'm sad I wasnt here when BW was big, but I hope one day that the same magic that is felt in BW will be felt in SC2.
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Pri1230
United Kingdom148 Posts
I'm sorry to all the current broodwar players who have grown up with this beautiful game and had to see its demise like this, i'm sad I wasnt here when BW was big, but I hope one day that the same magic that is felt in BW will be felt in SC2. | ||
FlaShFTW
United States10193 Posts
Part1 Part2 The Entire Jangbi vs Fantasy series (maybe not la mancha game) FlaSh vs Jaedong Korean Air Season 2 Effort vs FlaSh Korean Air Season 1 Love, life, fight. SCBW HWAITING! | ||
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Nazza
Australia1654 Posts
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Condor Hero
United States2931 Posts
One of my favorite games, watch Bisu control Carriers, Corsairs, and Reavers vs Zerg. There is also an English commentary version of this game on Violetak but I think the quality is worse than this more recent one. | ||
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mtwlinux
France29 Posts
The best Starcraft game ever. | ||
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Alur
Denmark3900 Posts
Firstly i'd like to echo this sentiment: On October 29 2011 05:21 Nazza wrote: GOMTV star invitationals are a good place to start.They are casted in english by tasteless. Tasteless was really at his peak around this era if you ask me. In addition to that Brood War leagues have a rich history of awe inspiring intros, so check out this neat compilation by plexa http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=96935. Admittedly it does add alot more if you know the story behind each player, but in many cases that won't even be neccesary. I would also advise anyone who isn't familiar with BW to try playing it on iCCup, it really makes you gain respect for those who can play it at a high level (not to mention that it's extremely Edit: The #1 entry in the top 10 isn't working, so here's a working link: They've made other noteworthy intros after Plexa's top 10 post too, such as this one: (containing all the old bonjwa's + Reach and Anytime). | ||
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futsel
163 Posts
If only someone would write a full history of BW progression starting from early years when Koreans and non-Koreans were side by side as now in sc2 and then how it became more and more dominated by koreans how it slowly became the huge deal in Korea what impact it have on e-sports how the gamestyle developed from Boxer tank micro to Flash winning turtle every top player had his own thing, his own style, when you could guess who was playing just by looking at his strategy. But that history has never been made, and who would try to do such a gigantic work? I mean think about it: you can write a full article about just 1 progamer, even 1 style, including lots of pics, explanations and VoDs but to make it on all the top players simultaneously + the game itself? This is more then just a book....this is more than encyclopedia...it's just too much But what kinda of Santa Claus would I be to leave you without presents SO I'd recommend this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=75492 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=190074 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=197538 and if you use the "search" button you can easily find the fine-written articles by best starcraft writers about the top players and bury yourself into the depth of the game. cheers! P.S.: I do however (and this is just personal opinion) doubt that someone who has joined the world of esport gaming with sc2 will have the wisdom to appreciate that misterious land of brood war. | ||
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imjorman
United States580 Posts
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KawaiiRice
United States2914 Posts
Boxer's biography translated ... | ||
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Iplaythings
Denmark9110 Posts
On October 29 2011 05:54 imjorman wrote: After watching all of these, I'm starting to understand why you guys care. I don't understand the game, but it looks different - and a good different. And holy bejesus is jaedong awesome. Flash videos are really cool; pretty much any video you guys hav been linked are like wtfwtfwtf awesome :D And there is alot more to come! + Show Spoiler [Most epic recall of all time, and FPVo…] + + Show Spoiler [Flash bringing out the cheddar!] + Note: back when this vod happend flash were one of the most hated progamers for taking out bisu this way  + Show Spoiler + So I heard this bomber guy is good at making many marines, I present to you: + Show Spoiler + yeah okay, the game had a power outage but holy fuck did flash tab m on those barracks that game + Show Spoiler + | ||
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Jedclark
United Kingdom903 Posts
On October 29 2011 01:57 imjorman wrote: as a young sc2 fan who only knows StarCraft as sc2 wat Also, just watch old MSLs/OSLs, or read stuff on Liquipedia. | ||
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R0YAL
United States1768 Posts
On October 29 2011 05:54 imjorman wrote: After watching all of these, I'm starting to understand why you guys care. I don't understand the game, but it looks different - and a good different. And holy bejesus is jaedong awesome. Flash videos are really cool; pretty much any video you guys hav been linked are like wtfwtfwtf awesome :D It's even more amazing when you know whats going on and when you can appreciate just how hard it is to pull this stuff off. | ||
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Zergneedsfood
United States10671 Posts
This game: (it'd be nice to known some background though) This video (if you ever find the games of Xellos vs Yellow) | ||
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0neder
United States3733 Posts
On October 29 2011 01:57 imjorman wrote: edit: Watching these now. OMG OMG OMG OMG is the passion amazing. the casters are awesome, and even though I don't really understand the game, I can kinda begin to understand why you guys care so much. Now do you understand why I don't want progress bars and why I want passionate, yelling, narrative casting instead of analytical, predictive casting? Go watch OGN's broadcast of SC2 WCG. Same BW commentators, way better b/c of them and b/c of no progress bars. | ||
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imjorman
United States580 Posts
On October 29 2011 06:01 R0YAL wrote: It's even more amazing when you know whats going on and when you can appreciate just how hard it is to pull this stuff off. The simplest things in SC2 are amazingly hard in BW. I remember the very first game I played of BW, I set my rally points and just kept making scvs. but for some reason, my money never seemed to go up quicker. Then I realized, I had to manually make them mine. ... The difficulty in performing a simple action jut like that blew my mind and impressed me so much. I have respect for these guys just from having that LIMITED knowledge of BW. I can't imagine what Flash would do if he stepped into the SC2 arena. the damage would be unrivaled b y anything else in sports history ^^ | ||
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Zergneedsfood
United States10671 Posts
On October 29 2011 06:06 0neder wrote: Now do you understand why I don't want progress bars and why I want passionate, yelling, narrative casting instead of analytical, predictive casting? Go watch OGN's broadcast of SC2 WCG. Same BW commentators, way better b/c of them and b/c of no progress bars. I'm curious now. Do you have a link? | ||
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N.geNuity
United States5112 Posts
It's just incredible. It's a summation of all the multitasking that a pro has to do beyond just simple concepts of "cool micro" and "good macro". You have to go back to your base to make workers/send them to mine, there is no multiple building selection, hotkeys limited to 12 units, unit pathing, unit firing (units don't even fire correctly), true "magic boxing" (laying mines, storms). It's meticulous attention to detail, and it's just incredible to think 1 person is capable of doing all of that. All though a lot of that may not seem that impressive just reading, so that's where some playing of brood war has to come in. Now, I think other people have posted good clips that represent the game, and fpvod's will show you the speed/intensity that is required for a progamer. You only need to see a little to see that battles in sc:bw are a bit less "clumped", extend for screens, and last longer; even lasting for minutes at a time. The first time watching a muta harass and you can see that it's constant, active muta micro for 2-5 minutes; you're simply amazed by it. One recommendation I might have is check out all the "pimpest play" videos (one was posted on first page--2005 starleague best highlights), that unfortunately youtube has blocked a lot of the audio for some of them. Here's one from 2002, 2007, and two boxer videos. You'll note if you look for "pimp" plays a lot are splitting marines/making marines live much longer than they should. If you think marine micro in sc2 can be impressive you haven't seen anything yet  + Show Spoiler + But beyond battle mechanics (elaborated by others) there are some fundamental things that distinguish it from sc2 that are really important. --map control/usage of the map: in sc:bw, there is action all over the map. People expand to the corners of a map very early on, often having their third base be the opposite corner of the map (zerg does this zvp, zvt) ; protoss will do it as will in pvt. From what I see, sc2 you don't do this. All the races keep their expansions close to each other, unless they are trying to have a "ninja" expo or a gold base in a weirder location. But in bw, it's common practice, and it strategically makes battles occur all over the map. Similarly, very specific parts of a map can become extremely important and people battle over it for minutes on end. In sc2 there really isn't the same feel of high ground/positioning as there is in bw. --armies are too focused in 1 location in sc2. This kind of goes with the last one, but I don't really see nearly the same "action all over the map" or splitting up armies. This isn't even the same as "ball vs ball" sentiments; it's that often times your army is focused at one spot of the map. Some BW maps are GIGANTIC, and action gets spread out all over the place. --fundamental harassment design. In bw it's so impressive because people do minor harass all game long, all over the map, and it's very micro intensive. Muta micro lasts a long time in the mid-game zvt. Reaver/shuttle micro is often intensive, active micro for pvt and pvz. Shuttles with high templar (storm drops) happen a lot; vultures are constantly harassing, and terran will drop bio in tvz and tanks (with vultures) in tvp, tvt. Because the map is so spread out, late game you also get zerg with just a handful of zerglings and a defiler dark swarm somewhere and take out an expansion. In sc2 the main harass I see is either a) hellions (limited late game), b) terran drops or c) occassional warp ins/ling runbys to various expansions. But expansions are again kept in smaller distances to each other, so you don't particularly see a 4 zealot warp in actually take out an expansion. To think someone, in the middle of all the other stuff they have to do, is able to do such micro-intensive harassment is just....awe inspiring multitask. edit-- oh, also just smart casting/cloning, which other people have commented on. People are impressed by marine splitting or blinking in sc2--which does require good micro. But that micro is commonplace in sc1 and even more difficult--every spell is not smart casted, scourge splitting is really hard (all your scourge will run into the same unit), muta micro vs scourge is ridiculous (see chinese triangle, etc etc. "esports" the korean commentators for brood war are really exciting. That's not to say artosis/tasteless/english casters aren't excited, but the koreans are always exciting, all the time. The crowd cheers enthusiastically, and even at run-of-the-mill proleague matches you hear fangirls/guys screaming all the time. The crowds for finals are huge (this is improving for sc2 western esports). And tournament design is different. With fewer tournaments, brood war is extremely "prestigious". You can't help but be hyped for every round of every tournament. On top of that a lot of unique production value goes into every single tournament in bw. Check out this thread for awesome intro videos throughout time. someone else already linked to plexa's thread, but this thread all the intros basically get posted one of my favs: the real ESPORTS is bw | ||
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LeoTheLion
China958 Posts
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blubbdavid
Switzerland2412 Posts
ez If you want a bit more indepth insight to BW: God of the Battlefield or any other Final Edit. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlfe/ | ||
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Gann1
United States1575 Posts
a little long, but this is the greatest game i've ever seen. Games like this are why I love brood war highlights if you don't want to watch the whole thing defense at 10:00 harass and counter at 18:30 Battle at 26:00 with simultaneous storm drop Battle at 28:20 & incredible defense of 6:00 base soon afterwards plus the iconic image of jaedong dripping sweat after the game | ||
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