On October 05 2011 10:22 stork4ever wrote: I was sad when sc2 took over teamliquid. But now reading the write ups and seeing the community, I guess the current niche/cult status of bw is not so bad. Before all the fancy tournaments and plethora of foreign castors, was a tiny website devoted to a game that the mainstream public has long beaten and forgotten. It was a meeting place for watching grainy video streamed from a tv to a computer to yet another computer from a foreign land in the middle of night. Where a few hundreds log on to watch two nerds battle it out.
The frustration of the lag (powerpoint games!) and the excitement of the LR. Scbw start to get big and as SC2's release approached, many castors used scbw as a training ground to refine their broadcast skills. People started showing up for release info and when it was released, it became the mecca for games/forums/strategy discussions. For this I am happy that teamliquid is getting its due and the owners get the monetary compensation they deserved.
Somewhere along the way we lost our cult status as we tried to become mainstream. Jangbi's OSL reminded us who were were. We are nerds watching a game on our laptops in the dead of our night, our quick high pitched squeal of delight woke our roommates/parents and they questioned our (wo)manhood. SCBW will not get you girls, you cannot take dates to MLG nor can you convince them to play it. Your bed is your Anaheim convention center, photoshopped hwasin is your Lindsay. There is no barcraft as the next closest bw fan is across state lines. You do not brag about your addiction to everyone you meet, but when you find someone that shares your hobby...that connection is golden. SCBW is not where the cool kids hangout, it never was.
SCBW is you, your computer, and your bagel bites that is still in your microwave because the game started sooner and you are watching kpop during the commercials. Quick poll: how many cried when Nestea won the GSL or when Huk won Dreamhack? Now how many people cried when....insert all OSL/MSL/Proleague finals (and even games). The score will be 0 to too many to count.
Foreign SCBW does not need to be strengthened, it is a cult and cults by nature are unpredicatable and makes no sense to those outside of it. I enjoy SC2 and buy passes and watch tons of streams and tourneys. I do not enjoy SCBW, it is part of me.
hmmm well i still think its a viable goal to help others who come from sc2 that are interested in BW but intimidated have an easier transition into the game.
On October 05 2011 09:24 Torpedo.Vegas wrote: If I may put this out there. Perhaps someone with some computer expertise could improve BW compatibility with today's machines. Like debug some interface issues that usually need various 3rd party mods to fix and create a clean concise package for quick and easy installation and play.
Another thing to consider is improving the quality of the sprites. BW has a distinct look to it, a look that is not helped by todays monitors and resolutions. I am not saying SC2 3D, that would be bad IMO considering how the AI works, but perhaps improving the quality and resolution of the in-game sprites to be more visually appealing outsiders, while still retaining that classic look and feel. I was thinking along the lines of taking a Zealot sprite for example, then perhaps doubling the pixel count with the extra pixels detailing and highlighting the original design.
I honestly think this is going to be a big hurdle for expansion that needs to (in some form) be addressed. What a 10 year BW vet sees and experiences, may not be what a potential newcomer sees and experiences, even if they are looking at the same game.
I've actually been thinking about this for a while. Something like Brood War 2. Like how valve is making DOTA 2. it'd be fucking awesome if someone made it. Everyone would consider the idea insane, considering the game still exists and SC2 is released, but idunno ,its just a cool idea in my head :3
A HD remake like Capcom has been doing with older Street Fighter games would be nice, but I don't think Blizzard actually wants people playing BW anymore.
On October 05 2011 09:24 Torpedo.Vegas wrote: If I may put this out there. Perhaps someone with some computer expertise could improve BW compatibility with today's machines. Like debug some interface issues that usually need various 3rd party mods to fix and create a clean concise package for quick and easy installation and play.
Another thing to consider is improving the quality of the sprites. BW has a distinct look to it, a look that is not helped by todays monitors and resolutions. I am not saying SC2 3D, that would be bad IMO considering how the AI works, but perhaps improving the quality and resolution of the in-game sprites to be more visually appealing outsiders, while still retaining that classic look and feel. I was thinking along the lines of taking a Zealot sprite for example, then perhaps doubling the pixel count with the extra pixels detailing and highlighting the original design.
I honestly think this is going to be a big hurdle for expansion that needs to (in some form) be addressed. What a 10 year BW vet sees and experiences, may not be what a potential newcomer sees and experiences, even if they are looking at the same game.
I've actually been thinking about this for a while. Something like Brood War 2. Like how valve is making DOTA 2. it'd be fucking awesome if someone made it. Everyone would consider the idea insane, considering the game still exists and SC2 is released, but idunno ,its just a cool idea in my head :3
A HD remake like Capcom has been doing with older Street Fighter games would be nice, but I don't think Blizzard actually wants people playing BW anymore.
Blizzard certainly won't do it, they are fully invested in the infrastructure of SC2. But I think this is something the community could do. I mean look at all the third party programs being developed for SC2 or third party support for games like Counter Strike or Elder Scrolls. That is a lot of coding skill being devoted to those games and that is not coming from the developer itself.
Also, this would be in essence a patch to BW, it wouldn't replace the game, but instead update it. Everything else remains the same (for better or worse), but its just a crisper, cleaner and more stable experience.
On October 05 2011 09:24 Torpedo.Vegas wrote: If I may put this out there. Perhaps someone with some computer expertise could improve BW compatibility with today's machines. Like debug some interface issues that usually need various 3rd party mods to fix and create a clean concise package for quick and easy installation and play.
Another thing to consider is improving the quality of the sprites. BW has a distinct look to it, a look that is not helped by todays monitors and resolutions. I am not saying SC2 3D, that would be bad IMO considering how the AI works, but perhaps improving the quality and resolution of the in-game sprites to be more visually appealing outsiders, while still retaining that classic look and feel. I was thinking along the lines of taking a Zealot sprite for example, then perhaps doubling the pixel count with the extra pixels detailing and highlighting the original design.
I honestly think this is going to be a big hurdle for expansion that needs to (in some form) be addressed. What a 10 year BW vet sees and experiences, may not be what a potential newcomer sees and experiences, even if they are looking at the same game.
I've actually been thinking about this for a while. Something like Brood War 2. Like how valve is making DOTA 2. it'd be fucking awesome if someone made it. Everyone would consider the idea insane, considering the game still exists and SC2 is released, but idunno ,its just a cool idea in my head :3
A HD remake like Capcom has been doing with older Street Fighter games would be nice, but I don't think Blizzard actually wants people playing BW anymore.
Blizzard certainly won't do it, they are fully invested in the infrastructure of SC2. But I think this is something the community could do. I mean look at all the third party programs being developed for SC2 or third party support for games like Counter Strike or Elder Scrolls. That is a lot of coding skill being devoted to those games and that is not coming from the developer itself.
Also, this would be in essence a patch to BW, it wouldn't replace the game, but instead update it. Everything else remains the same (for better or worse), but its just a crisper, cleaner and more stable experience.
Personally I think it would be really really awesome if they had everything SC2 has mechanic wise (MBS, more units in a control group, etc etc) but with everything else being exactly like BW (units/cost/maps/buildings etc). They have SC2BW custom map right now but I don't really like it at all...things don't seem right on it, they even increased the size of everything so it feels like you're playing on the hella small res too.
The day I can play BW on 1920x1200 is the day I can die happily xD
On October 05 2011 09:24 Torpedo.Vegas wrote: If I may put this out there. Perhaps someone with some computer expertise could improve BW compatibility with today's machines. Like debug some interface issues that usually need various 3rd party mods to fix and create a clean concise package for quick and easy installation and play.
Another thing to consider is improving the quality of the sprites. BW has a distinct look to it, a look that is not helped by todays monitors and resolutions. I am not saying SC2 3D, that would be bad IMO considering how the AI works, but perhaps improving the quality and resolution of the in-game sprites to be more visually appealing outsiders, while still retaining that classic look and feel. I was thinking along the lines of taking a Zealot sprite for example, then perhaps doubling the pixel count with the extra pixels detailing and highlighting the original design.
I honestly think this is going to be a big hurdle for expansion that needs to (in some form) be addressed. What a 10 year BW vet sees and experiences, may not be what a potential newcomer sees and experiences, even if they are looking at the same game.
I've actually been thinking about this for a while. Something like Brood War 2. Like how valve is making DOTA 2. it'd be fucking awesome if someone made it. Everyone would consider the idea insane, considering the game still exists and SC2 is released, but idunno ,its just a cool idea in my head :3
A HD remake like Capcom has been doing with older Street Fighter games would be nice, but I don't think Blizzard actually wants people playing BW anymore.
Blizzard certainly won't do it, they are fully invested in the infrastructure of SC2. But I think this is something the community could do. I mean look at all the third party programs being developed for SC2 or third party support for games like Counter Strike or Elder Scrolls. That is a lot of coding skill being devoted to those games and that is not coming from the developer itself.
Also, this would be in essence a patch to BW, it wouldn't replace the game, but instead update it. Everything else remains the same (for better or worse), but its just a crisper, cleaner and more stable experience.
Personally I think it would be really really awesome if they had everything SC2 has mechanic wise (MBS, more units in a control group, etc etc) but with everything else being exactly like BW (units/cost/maps/buildings etc). They have SC2BW custom map right now but I don't really like it at all...things don't seem right on it, they even increased the size of everything so it feels like you're playing on the hella small res too.
The day I can play BW on 1920x1200 is the day I can die happily xD
This wouldn't work, and the reason is the same why some people believe that you need a buggy engine to get a good game (the "mbs killed ESPORTS" crowd). For example, marines appear to have a lot more DPS in sc2bw, their stats being the same, because despite all the effort the sc2bw guys put into mimicking stupid pathfinding, it's still too efficient; or stuff like brood war mutas are too strong when you can have 30 of them in a control group.
I have a big project planned for the upcoming proleague season. I'm not going to announce the details until I see roughly what the proleague schedule looks like, but it should solve all these complaints of not enough English commentaries ;p
On October 05 2011 09:24 Torpedo.Vegas wrote: If I may put this out there. Perhaps someone with some computer expertise could improve BW compatibility with today's machines. Like debug some interface issues that usually need various 3rd party mods to fix and create a clean concise package for quick and easy installation and play.
Another thing to consider is improving the quality of the sprites. BW has a distinct look to it, a look that is not helped by todays monitors and resolutions. I am not saying SC2 3D, that would be bad IMO considering how the AI works, but perhaps improving the quality and resolution of the in-game sprites to be more visually appealing outsiders, while still retaining that classic look and feel. I was thinking along the lines of taking a Zealot sprite for example, then perhaps doubling the pixel count with the extra pixels detailing and highlighting the original design.
I honestly think this is going to be a big hurdle for expansion that needs to (in some form) be addressed. What a 10 year BW vet sees and experiences, may not be what a potential newcomer sees and experiences, even if they are looking at the same game.
I've actually been thinking about this for a while. Something like Brood War 2. Like how valve is making DOTA 2. it'd be fucking awesome if someone made it. Everyone would consider the idea insane, considering the game still exists and SC2 is released, but idunno ,its just a cool idea in my head :3
A HD remake like Capcom has been doing with older Street Fighter games would be nice, but I don't think Blizzard actually wants people playing BW anymore.
Blizzard certainly won't do it, they are fully invested in the infrastructure of SC2. But I think this is something the community could do. I mean look at all the third party programs being developed for SC2 or third party support for games like Counter Strike or Elder Scrolls. That is a lot of coding skill being devoted to those games and that is not coming from the developer itself.
Also, this would be in essence a patch to BW, it wouldn't replace the game, but instead update it. Everything else remains the same (for better or worse), but its just a crisper, cleaner and more stable experience.
Personally I think it would be really really awesome if they had everything SC2 has mechanic wise (MBS, more units in a control group, etc etc) but with everything else being exactly like BW (units/cost/maps/buildings etc). They have SC2BW custom map right now but I don't really like it at all...things don't seem right on it, they even increased the size of everything so it feels like you're playing on the hella small res too.
The day I can play BW on 1920x1200 is the day I can die happily xD
I think the reverse would be way more useful as a "bridge": A mod where it was SC2 with BW mechanics enforced. And then people who found that fun would have an easier time transitioning into BW
(Plus I just want to play a map like that because it sounds fun )
On October 05 2011 09:24 Torpedo.Vegas wrote: If I may put this out there. Perhaps someone with some computer expertise could improve BW compatibility with today's machines. Like debug some interface issues that usually need various 3rd party mods to fix and create a clean concise package for quick and easy installation and play.
Another thing to consider is improving the quality of the sprites. BW has a distinct look to it, a look that is not helped by todays monitors and resolutions. I am not saying SC2 3D, that would be bad IMO considering how the AI works, but perhaps improving the quality and resolution of the in-game sprites to be more visually appealing outsiders, while still retaining that classic look and feel. I was thinking along the lines of taking a Zealot sprite for example, then perhaps doubling the pixel count with the extra pixels detailing and highlighting the original design.
I honestly think this is going to be a big hurdle for expansion that needs to (in some form) be addressed. What a 10 year BW vet sees and experiences, may not be what a potential newcomer sees and experiences, even if they are looking at the same game.
I've actually been thinking about this for a while. Something like Brood War 2. Like how valve is making DOTA 2. it'd be fucking awesome if someone made it. Everyone would consider the idea insane, considering the game still exists and SC2 is released, but idunno ,its just a cool idea in my head :3
A HD remake like Capcom has been doing with older Street Fighter games would be nice, but I don't think Blizzard actually wants people playing BW anymore.
Blizzard certainly won't do it, they are fully invested in the infrastructure of SC2. But I think this is something the community could do. I mean look at all the third party programs being developed for SC2 or third party support for games like Counter Strike or Elder Scrolls. That is a lot of coding skill being devoted to those games and that is not coming from the developer itself.
Also, this would be in essence a patch to BW, it wouldn't replace the game, but instead update it. Everything else remains the same (for better or worse), but its just a crisper, cleaner and more stable experience.
Personally I think it would be really really awesome if they had everything SC2 has mechanic wise (MBS, more units in a control group, etc etc) but with everything else being exactly like BW (units/cost/maps/buildings etc). They have SC2BW custom map right now but I don't really like it at all...things don't seem right on it, they even increased the size of everything so it feels like you're playing on the hella small res too.
The day I can play BW on 1920x1200 is the day I can die happily xD
I think the reverse would be way more useful as a "bridge": A mod where it was SC2 with BW mechanics enforced. And then people who found that fun would have an easier time transitioning into BW
(Plus I just want to play a map like that because it sounds fun )
On October 05 2011 18:29 Sayle wrote: I have a big project planned for the upcoming proleague season. I'm not going to announce the details until I see roughly what the proleague schedule looks like, but it should solve all these complaints of not enough English commentaries ;p
On October 05 2011 09:24 Torpedo.Vegas wrote: If I may put this out there. Perhaps someone with some computer expertise could improve BW compatibility with today's machines. Like debug some interface issues that usually need various 3rd party mods to fix and create a clean concise package for quick and easy installation and play.
Another thing to consider is improving the quality of the sprites. BW has a distinct look to it, a look that is not helped by todays monitors and resolutions. I am not saying SC2 3D, that would be bad IMO considering how the AI works, but perhaps improving the quality and resolution of the in-game sprites to be more visually appealing outsiders, while still retaining that classic look and feel. I was thinking along the lines of taking a Zealot sprite for example, then perhaps doubling the pixel count with the extra pixels detailing and highlighting the original design.
I honestly think this is going to be a big hurdle for expansion that needs to (in some form) be addressed. What a 10 year BW vet sees and experiences, may not be what a potential newcomer sees and experiences, even if they are looking at the same game.
I've actually been thinking about this for a while. Something like Brood War 2. Like how valve is making DOTA 2. it'd be fucking awesome if someone made it. Everyone would consider the idea insane, considering the game still exists and SC2 is released, but idunno ,its just a cool idea in my head :3
A HD remake like Capcom has been doing with older Street Fighter games would be nice, but I don't think Blizzard actually wants people playing BW anymore.
Blizzard certainly won't do it, they are fully invested in the infrastructure of SC2. But I think this is something the community could do. I mean look at all the third party programs being developed for SC2 or third party support for games like Counter Strike or Elder Scrolls. That is a lot of coding skill being devoted to those games and that is not coming from the developer itself.
Also, this would be in essence a patch to BW, it wouldn't replace the game, but instead update it. Everything else remains the same (for better or worse), but its just a crisper, cleaner and more stable experience.
Personally I think it would be really really awesome if they had everything SC2 has mechanic wise (MBS, more units in a control group, etc etc) but with everything else being exactly like BW (units/cost/maps/buildings etc). They have SC2BW custom map right now but I don't really like it at all...things don't seem right on it, they even increased the size of everything so it feels like you're playing on the hella small res too.
The day I can play BW on 1920x1200 is the day I can die happily xD
I think the reverse would be way more useful as a "bridge": A mod where it was SC2 with BW mechanics enforced. And then people who found that fun would have an easier time transitioning into BW
(Plus I just want to play a map like that because it sounds fun )
That MOD makes goons smart. I helped a businessmen organize a showmatch of ex-BW megagosu's that play SC2 professionally to play on that MOD, and when one of them told me that goons are smart and tanks are balanced, I knew it was an inaccurate MOD. I'm pretty sure too, that Ribbon is aware of this MOD, and he means one with more accuracy. Hence the "BW mechanics enforced". However, something like this would be near impossible to do. Making units as dumb in SC2 as they are in BW would mean reverse engineering a lottt of shit, and you'd have to pay someone a lottt of money to do it.
OTH I'm pretty sure you could add mbs and unlimited control groups to BW with little effort. But imo that's not really what makes bw hard; it's more akin to how in sc2 you can box your mineral line, press b-b click and ta-da you have a barracks. Something as simple as that would require major changes to unit ai and thus the whole game would be thrown off-balance
On October 05 2011 09:24 Torpedo.Vegas wrote: If I may put this out there. Perhaps someone with some computer expertise could improve BW compatibility with today's machines. Like debug some interface issues that usually need various 3rd party mods to fix and create a clean concise package for quick and easy installation and play.
Another thing to consider is improving the quality of the sprites. BW has a distinct look to it, a look that is not helped by todays monitors and resolutions. I am not saying SC2 3D, that would be bad IMO considering how the AI works, but perhaps improving the quality and resolution of the in-game sprites to be more visually appealing outsiders, while still retaining that classic look and feel. I was thinking along the lines of taking a Zealot sprite for example, then perhaps doubling the pixel count with the extra pixels detailing and highlighting the original design.
I honestly think this is going to be a big hurdle for expansion that needs to (in some form) be addressed. What a 10 year BW vet sees and experiences, may not be what a potential newcomer sees and experiences, even if they are looking at the same game.
I've actually been thinking about this for a while. Something like Brood War 2. Like how valve is making DOTA 2. it'd be fucking awesome if someone made it. Everyone would consider the idea insane, considering the game still exists and SC2 is released, but idunno ,its just a cool idea in my head :3
A HD remake like Capcom has been doing with older Street Fighter games would be nice, but I don't think Blizzard actually wants people playing BW anymore.
Blizzard certainly won't do it, they are fully invested in the infrastructure of SC2. But I think this is something the community could do. I mean look at all the third party programs being developed for SC2 or third party support for games like Counter Strike or Elder Scrolls. That is a lot of coding skill being devoted to those games and that is not coming from the developer itself.
Also, this would be in essence a patch to BW, it wouldn't replace the game, but instead update it. Everything else remains the same (for better or worse), but its just a crisper, cleaner and more stable experience.
Personally I think it would be really really awesome if they had everything SC2 has mechanic wise (MBS, more units in a control group, etc etc) but with everything else being exactly like BW (units/cost/maps/buildings etc). They have SC2BW custom map right now but I don't really like it at all...things don't seem right on it, they even increased the size of everything so it feels like you're playing on the hella small res too.
The day I can play BW on 1920x1200 is the day I can die happily xD
I think the reverse would be way more useful as a "bridge": A mod where it was SC2 with BW mechanics enforced. And then people who found that fun would have an easier time transitioning into BW
(Plus I just want to play a map like that because it sounds fun )
That's BW in the SC2 engine. Which is nifty, but I'm thinking of like only being able to have 12 marauders in a control group. SC2 units, BW mechanics. I think it's be neat, and potentially a good bridge, but we're starting to veer off topic so I'll shush about it
On October 05 2011 18:29 Sayle wrote: I have a big project planned for the upcoming proleague season. I'm not going to announce the details until I see roughly what the proleague schedule looks like, but it should solve all these complaints of not enough English commentaries ;p
I want more koreans streams and oh by the way will upload lots of in to the msl vods on youtube ,I hope I can contribut to my home tl.net for giving me a forum where I can correspond with bw players and share the same passion.
I know I can't cast or play games now because of my landlord router which can't port forward to safe it's life , thought reinstalling a new firm ware and take the risk but it's just too riskly .In the meantime I think I can help out with the fpvod section . I am a total fpvod junkie , looking at fpvod always give me much more satisfaction that seeing girls when the camera is shoved at them and than they cover their face feeling embarassed ..
Fpvod is where the battle is truly experience.
here's my first share Firebathero v Much
Ruby v Tempest (recommended for terran newbies )
More fpvods to come soon , hope my internet speed will stop trolling me so I can get things done faster
On October 05 2011 18:29 Sayle wrote: I have a big project planned for the upcoming proleague season. I'm not going to announce the details until I see roughly what the proleague schedule looks like, but it should solve all these complaints of not enough English commentaries ;p
Oh god, please Sayle do the PL commentary, that would be so badass. I am sure everyone enjoys your vidid commentaries. As much as i love korean commentators, it is great to hear and understand someone talking about the game. It would also be really good for those guys new to watching bw and make it easier to understand which is our goal. I can't wait for the games already.
On October 05 2011 18:29 Sayle wrote: I have a big project planned for the upcoming proleague season. I'm not going to announce the details until I see roughly what the proleague schedule looks like, but it should solve all these complaints of not enough English commentaries ;p
Oh god, please Sayle do the PL commentary, that would be so badass. I am sure everyone enjoys your vidid commentaries. As much as i love korean commentators, it is great to hear and understand someone talking about the game. It would also be really good for those guys new to watching bw and make it easier to understand which is our goal. I can't wait for the games already.
On October 05 2011 18:29 Sayle wrote: I have a big project planned for the upcoming proleague season. I'm not going to announce the details until I see roughly what the proleague schedule looks like, but it should solve all these complaints of not enough English commentaries ;p
Oh god, please Sayle do the PL commentary, that would be so badass. I am sure everyone enjoys your vidid commentaries. As much as i love korean commentators, it is great to hear and understand someone talking about the game. It would also be really good for those guys new to watching bw and make it easier to understand which is our goal. I can't wait for the games already.
The source I have , has more games than what nevake has actually thanks anyway for the links .
Sawamura do you actually have all the vods on your disk or you have a source online? I think FPVODS are the greatest thing to watch and i would definately appreciate more sources. Mostly pros or semi-pros of course.
On October 05 2011 18:29 Sayle wrote: I have a big project planned for the upcoming proleague season. I'm not going to announce the details until I see roughly what the proleague schedule looks like, but it should solve all these complaints of not enough English commentaries ;p
Oh god, please Sayle do the PL commentary, that would be so badass. I am sure everyone enjoys your vidid commentaries. As much as i love korean commentators, it is great to hear and understand someone talking about the game. It would also be really good for those guys new to watching bw and make it easier to understand which is our goal. I can't wait for the games already.
The source I have , has more games than what nevake has actually thanks anyway for the links .
Sawamura do you actually have all the vods on your disk or you have a source online? I think FPVODS are the greatest thing to watch and i would definately appreciate more sources. Mostly pros or semi-pros of course.
Seems like I missed the biggest one made in 2007 the fpvods were up to 20gb http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=64362¤tpage=2, However I will never stop uploading the current fpvods that I am trying to upload from wfbrood.com . Although it may not be at it's original format it's still watchable and good materials for newbies or pro's to watch . Yeah my source are online for now . Trying to get more currently.
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However I will never stop uploading the current fpvods that I am trying to upload from wfbrood.com . Although it may not be at it's original format it's still watchable and good materials for newbies or pro's to watch . Yeah my source are online for now . Trying to get more currently.
