EPTbw is gonna become a cult classic, so might as well make it elitist right? I'd better just wait till i get my desktop back to play sc2, since if I need help to play bw I clearly don't deserve it
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dementrio
678 Posts
bw is gonna become a cult classic, so might as well make it elitist right? I'd better just wait till i get my desktop back to play sc2, since if I need help to play bw I clearly don't deserve it | ||
Falling
Canada11513 Posts
On October 04 2011 04:40 ppshchik wrote: I'm not even dissing Broodwar, I'm saying that a high skill capped game with low graphics will never be mainstream, but a cult classic. Broodwar is only observable at the highest level of mechanics from A-Teamers and B-teamers. Watching amateurs play in Broodwar puts me to sleep. BW not being mainstream is not even a negative thing. BW fanbase, despite being small, is one of the most loyal fanbase / cult following I've ever seen. It's like a fuzzy, warm family instead of a crowded street. PS: If someone is interested in Broodwar, he/she will eventually try to watch vods and learn about it. Forcefeeding them won't do any good. No, but I don't understand why you would bother posting with that defeatist attitude. We're obviously not expecting that BW will become as prominent as ice hockey. But we want it to be more prominent then it is and I think that can happen. There is a bit of cross-pollination from the SC2 scene so it would make sense to find ways to welcome them in. Furthermore a community that doesn't bother to help new recruits is one that will eventually stifle. Regarding clans for lower skilled players, I absolutely agree. But from being kinda involved in sGs, part of the problem is maintaining momentum. Particularly as our best activity was on skype which made us look very inactive as far as Team Liquid forums was concerned. I don't know how that can be solved. I do agree with an earlier poster that having as separate op sGs on iCCup was probably a mistake- our skype was sufficient for that. op Teamliquid should probably remain the goto channel. I don't know if there are even enough players to sustain it, but it would almost be better to have 2 clans to form a sort of rivalry. But if there's only 10 per side, then it's probably not sustainable. | ||
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L_Master
United States8017 Posts
On October 04 2011 04:40 ppshchik wrote: I'm not even dissing Broodwar, I'm saying that a high skill capped game with low graphics will never be mainstream, but a cult classic. Broodwar is only observable at the highest level of mechanics from A-Teamers and B-teamers. Watching amateurs play in Broodwar puts me to sleep. BW not being mainstream is not even a negative thing. BW fanbase, despite being small, is one of the most loyal fanbase / cult following I've ever seen. It's like a fuzzy, warm family instead of a crowded street. PS: If someone is interested in Broodwar, he/she will eventually try to watch vods and learn about it. Forcefeeding them won't do any good. I'm not convinced you have read the thread thoroughly and understand its intention. Perhaps the biggest goal here is doing everything we can to make BW accessible and more enjoyable for those that are new to it. Surely you can't be against basic things like having updated guides, videos explaining concepts like various kinds of micro, simple guides for how to watch and enjoy BW, or a supportive clan to help new players out? As much as I like Broodwar, let foreign broodwar die. Legendary and hard RTS'es will only be cult classics, and won't be mainstream. I see alot of people say this. Why, exactly, do you want foreign BW to die? I can't think of anything that would be bad about still having a supportive and vibrant foreign scene. Intersted in helping? Head here: TLBWInitiative | ||
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L_Master
United States8017 Posts
What we still need: -People willing to help create an instruction series of VOD's (doesn't have to be everything, if your willing to do say just a ZvT tutorial, or just a protoss micro, or even just a marine micro v lurker video we would love your help) -People willing to help make/complete a guide on watching BW -More Streamers! -Anybody that is willing to help with other projects is ALWAYS appreciated Intersted in helping? Head here: TLBWInitiative -UPDATE- | ||
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fabiano
Brazil4644 Posts
I will be streaming every weekend (except when the next week I have exams) | ||
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L_Master
United States8017 Posts
On October 04 2011 08:24 fabiano wrote: Set me as a streamer! I will be streaming every weekend (except when the next week I have exams) If you want to signup just mosey on over to the webpage. If you mean sign up as in get on the TL sidebar and what not, just follow their guidelines. | ||
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fabiano
Brazil4644 Posts
 Where should I post it there? Should I make a new thread? | ||
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sixfour
England11062 Posts
On October 04 2011 07:59 L_Master wrote: -UPDATE- -People willing to help make/complete a guide on watching BW er..... Intersted in helping? Head here why? fairly sure that splitting stuff off to all sorts of other places isn't going to help anything | ||
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puppykiller
United States3137 Posts
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2Pacalypse-
Croatia9538 Posts
On October 05 2011 06:13 puppykiller wrote: As I said on page one I stream. Is there anything you want me to do on my stream or something? hmm, some singing wouldn't hurt. Disney songs preferably, but open to other choices. | ||
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L_Master
United States8017 Posts
On October 05 2011 06:36 2Pacalypse- wrote: hmm, some singing wouldn't hurt. Disney songs preferably, but open to other choices. Haha lol, this sounds familiar.  Basically, the consensus is just trying to generally be entertaining and/or informative. Just talking and explaining what your doing, seems to be significantly more popular and enjoyable for viewers than just watching a streamer who is listening to music or what have you. On October 04 2011 18:35 sixfour wrote: er..... why? fairly sure that splitting stuff off to all sorts of other places isn't going to help anything Organization. If done on TL it requires of the creating on many threads for each category that we want to work on, which easily become jumble and clutters up the BW general section. By having an offsite website we can have all the threads we need organized into neat categories and not clutter up TL. | ||
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puppykiller
United States3137 Posts
On October 05 2011 06:45 L_Master wrote: Haha lol, this sounds familiar. Basically, the consensus is just trying to generally be entertaining and/or informative. Just talking and explaining what your doing, seems to be significantly more popular and enjoyable for viewers than just watching a streamer who is listening to music or what have you. Organization. If done on TL it requires of the creating on many threads for each category that we want to work on, which easily become jumble and clutters up the BW general section. By having an offsite website we can have all the threads we need organized into neat categories and not clutter up TL. don't worry I already make a pretty big effort. Heres the link http://www.twitch.tv/puppykiller3 | ||
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zerg_practice
Vietnam12 Posts
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duncan.mc
United States231 Posts
On October 05 2011 07:47 zerg_practice wrote: After reading this thread, i accessed to iccup and search the sGs team page. I really want to join the team to practice with others. "jas-anz" is my ID on iccup, so I hope the leader of the team will accept me to join team? thanks!! I see your request. We only accept sGs tagged account names though. If you make a new account real quick with the sGs tag (for example, sGs.jas-anz) and join with that account I'll be happy to add you! | ||
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whatusername
Canada1181 Posts
On October 04 2011 07:59 L_Master wrote: What we still need: -People willing to help create an instruction series of VOD's (doesn't have to be everything, if your willing to do say just a ZvT tutorial, or just a protoss micro, or even just a marine micro v lurker video we would love your help) I feel like I would love to do something like this but i don't think i'm good enough (D-D+ level here) | ||
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Torpedo.Vegas
United States1890 Posts
Another thing to consider is improving the quality of the sprites. BW has a distinct look to it, a look that is not helped by todays monitors and resolutions. I am not saying SC2 3D, that would be bad IMO considering how the AI works, but perhaps improving the quality and resolution of the in-game sprites to be more visually appealing outsiders, while still retaining that classic look and feel. I was thinking along the lines of taking a Zealot sprite for example, then perhaps doubling the pixel count with the extra pixels detailing and highlighting the original design. I honestly think this is going to be a big hurdle for expansion that needs to (in some form) be addressed. What a 10 year BW vet sees and experiences, may not be what a potential newcomer sees and experiences, even if they are looking at the same game. | ||
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Witten
United States2094 Posts
Also, more exposure for Sayle. I love watching the dude play and cast. He's the only BW caster on TL that I watch, and I almost always choose him over Sc2 casters (and I watched him during breaks of MLG). | ||
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Phyrigian
New Zealand1332 Posts
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zerg_practice
Vietnam12 Posts
On October 05 2011 07:54 duncan.mc wrote: I see your request. We only accept sGs tagged account names though. If you make a new account real quick with the sGs tag (for example, sGs.jas-anz) and join with that account I'll be happy to add you! Thanks! I created a new account on iccup with tag "sGs" and it is "sGs.chinnie". So pleased check it and accept my request. Thank you very much!! | ||
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stork4ever
United States1036 Posts
The frustration of the lag (powerpoint games!) and the excitement of the LR. Scbw start to get big and as SC2's release approached, many castors used scbw as a training ground to refine their broadcast skills. People started showing up for release info and when it was released, it became the mecca for games/forums/strategy discussions. For this I am happy that teamliquid is getting its due and the owners get the monetary compensation they deserved. Somewhere along the way we lost our cult status as we tried to become mainstream. Jangbi's OSL reminded us who were were. We are nerds watching a game on our laptops in the dead of our night, our quick high pitched squeal of delight woke our roommates/parents and they questioned our (wo)manhood. SCBW will not get you girls, you cannot take dates to MLG nor can you convince them to play it. Your bed is your Anaheim convention center, photoshopped hwasin is your Lindsay. There is no barcraft as the next closest bw fan is across state lines. You do not brag about your addiction to everyone you meet, but when you find someone that shares your hobby...that connection is golden. SCBW is not where the cool kids hangout, it never was. SCBW is you, your computer, and your bagel bites that is still in your microwave because the game started sooner and you are watching kpop during the commercials. Quick poll: how many cried when Nestea won the GSL or when Huk won Dreamhack? Now how many people cried when....insert all OSL/MSL/Proleague finals (and even games). The score will be 0 to too many to count. Foreign SCBW does not need to be strengthened, it is a cult and cults by nature are unpredicatable and makes no sense to those outside of it. I enjoy SC2 and buy passes and watch tons of streams and tourneys. I do not enjoy SCBW, it is part of me. | ||
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