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Ribbon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5278 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-02 12:35:12
October 02 2011 12:34 GMT
#201
On October 02 2011 19:42 zwala wrote:
wat about show matches between BW players who switched to SCII and the new top foreigners ?


The new top foreigners would smash. Even if you mean like Nony and Day[9], they're long out of practice.

Perhaps more useful would be getting Nony (who occasionally says BW was a better game), and Idra (who will not stop fucking talking about how BW is a way better game because SC2 sucks and everyone who beats him sucks too who only beat him because bullshit etc) to have a TSL2 rematch commentated by Artosis (who often implies BW was a better game). That would have a bigger draw of people who weren't already BW fans, and would probably be a lot less one-sided, even if neither of them would be playing at anything like their former level.

On October 02 2011 10:27 sLiMpoweR wrote:
cant we just let bw rip its sad what it has become. I miss you bwwwwwww


I sometimes feel this is the predominant attitude, and it makes me want to give up.

in sc2 there is a HUGE difference (i came from there, not trying to compare but showing where i come from) in how bad someone actually is in bronze (which is the same as D) and how bad a player is who is D. for me it seems any D player can be masters in sc2 (i'm masters and sc2 and i get my ass handed to me here).


That has less to do with BW as a game and more to do with the fact ICCUP and Fish are pretty much 99% hardcore people nowadays. If we ever did flood it with enough newbs, the ranks would be devalued to the point of worthlessness, the way no one cares about being Diamond, no one would be impressed by a B rank.

On October 02 2011 19:16 LML wrote:
man, all this win7 problems, there is a simple fix: format your PC and install an OS that works fine with BW, even if it's just vista, I never had problems with my BW there.


I think this is a step too far for most people.....
Silidons
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2813 Posts
October 02 2011 12:43 GMT
#202
On October 02 2011 21:34 Ribbon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2011 19:42 zwala wrote:
wat about show matches between BW players who switched to SCII and the new top foreigners ?


The new top foreigners would smash. Even if you mean like Nony and Day[9], they're long out of practice.

Perhaps more useful would be getting Nony (who occasionally says BW was a better game), and Idra (who will not stop fucking talking about how BW is a way better game because SC2 sucks and everyone who beats him sucks too who only beat him because bullshit etc) to have a TSL2 rematch commentated by Artosis (who often implies BW was a better game). That would have a bigger draw of people who weren't already BW fans, and would probably be a lot less one-sided, even if neither of them would be playing at anything like their former level.

Show nested quote +
On October 02 2011 10:27 sLiMpoweR wrote:
cant we just let bw rip its sad what it has become. I miss you bwwwwwww


I sometimes feel this is the predominant attitude, and it makes me want to give up.

Show nested quote +
in sc2 there is a HUGE difference (i came from there, not trying to compare but showing where i come from) in how bad someone actually is in bronze (which is the same as D) and how bad a player is who is D. for me it seems any D player can be masters in sc2 (i'm masters and sc2 and i get my ass handed to me here).


That has less to do with BW as a game and more to do with the fact ICCUP and Fish are pretty much 99% hardcore people nowadays. If we ever did flood it with enough newbs, the ranks would be devalued to the point of worthlessness, the way no one cares about being Diamond, no one would be impressed by a B rank.


Show nested quote +
On October 02 2011 19:16 LML wrote:
man, all this win7 problems, there is a simple fix: format your PC and install an OS that works fine with BW, even if it's just vista, I never had problems with my BW there.


I think this is a step too far for most people.....

i was just talking about how its very hard for new players to begin playing bw when even players like me who are in masters (granted i know i'm not very good overall but better than a majority of the people who play sc2) have such a hard time starting out because of how good almost everyone is. like i said, in bw rank D people have ~200 apm, in sc2, bronze people have 30-40apm. i was just saying the current system is very hard for recruiting new players.
"God fights on the side with the best artillery." - Napoleon Bonaparte
LG)Sabbath
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Argentina3024 Posts
October 02 2011 23:55 GMT
#203
On October 02 2011 21:43 Silidons wrote:
i was just talking about how its very hard for new players to begin playing bw when even players like me who are in masters (granted i know i'm not very good overall but better than a majority of the people who play sc2) have such a hard time starting out because of how good almost everyone is. like i said, in bw rank D people have ~200 apm, in sc2, bronze people have 30-40apm. i was just saying the current system is very hard for recruiting new players.

I think new players are more attracted by team games, 1v1 only starts to become really fun after you learn a few basic things... how many people start off on bw thinking about wanting to become a good 1v1 player, really?
https://www.twitch.tv/argsabbath/
TurboDreams
Profile Joined April 2009
United States427 Posts
October 03 2011 00:14 GMT
#204
Viva BroodWar!!

Music is the medicine of the mind || Kill a Zergling and a hundred more will take its place.
Silidons
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2813 Posts
October 03 2011 00:47 GMT
#205
On October 03 2011 08:55 LG)Sabbath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2011 21:43 Silidons wrote:
i was just talking about how its very hard for new players to begin playing bw when even players like me who are in masters (granted i know i'm not very good overall but better than a majority of the people who play sc2) have such a hard time starting out because of how good almost everyone is. like i said, in bw rank D people have ~200 apm, in sc2, bronze people have 30-40apm. i was just saying the current system is very hard for recruiting new players.

I think new players are more attracted by team games, 1v1 only starts to become really fun after you learn a few basic things... how many people start off on bw thinking about wanting to become a good 1v1 player, really?

well personally i dont enjoy team games. just yesterday i actually connected to fish server, and that is way better for beginners. if a game has "초보" in it, that means chobo, or beginner, and they mean it. the ppl i was playing had ~80apm.
"God fights on the side with the best artillery." - Napoleon Bonaparte
Ribbon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5278 Posts
October 03 2011 00:49 GMT
#206
On October 03 2011 08:55 LG)Sabbath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2011 21:43 Silidons wrote:
i was just talking about how its very hard for new players to begin playing bw when even players like me who are in masters (granted i know i'm not very good overall but better than a majority of the people who play sc2) have such a hard time starting out because of how good almost everyone is. like i said, in bw rank D people have ~200 apm, in sc2, bronze people have 30-40apm. i was just saying the current system is very hard for recruiting new players.

I think new players are more attracted by team games, 1v1 only starts to become really fun after you learn a few basic things... how many people start off on bw thinking about wanting to become a good 1v1 player, really?


Well, the forums are all about competitive 1v1, which is what I've been talking about.

So, here's an interesting fact:

The Ribbon Classic, due to drama and rescheduling, ended up running during MLG Anaheim's championship Sunday. It peaked at around ~450 views.

The Ribbon Revival, which Game forgot to advertise on Reddit (;_;) was very purposefully scheduled to run on a day with no major SC2 tournaments competing with it. It peaked at around ~1650 views, and maintained over 1,000. I find that really interesting, don't you guys?
Game
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3191 Posts
October 03 2011 02:45 GMT
#207
On October 03 2011 08:55 LG)Sabbath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2011 21:43 Silidons wrote:
i was just talking about how its very hard for new players to begin playing bw when even players like me who are in masters (granted i know i'm not very good overall but better than a majority of the people who play sc2) have such a hard time starting out because of how good almost everyone is. like i said, in bw rank D people have ~200 apm, in sc2, bronze people have 30-40apm. i was just saying the current system is very hard for recruiting new players.

I think new players are more attracted by team games, 1v1 only starts to become really fun after you learn a few basic things... how many people start off on bw thinking about wanting to become a good 1v1 player, really?

Me. While most people talk about casual gaming, there is never a mindset to just play a game for hours on end just to endlessly be rolled over. There is a goal, whether you are good, or mediocre, you aimed to be good from the get go. Regardless of that, anyone who would play BW to this day should aim to be good. I know, you're thinking, nah they're just from SC2 or somewhere else and have a general interest of the feeling of the BW community, and the origin of the game. But that's not the case for your post sir, because this thread is about strengthening foreign BW, not making it more mediocre.
SC is like sex. You should play often, but never too hard. And you should only try hard when it matters.
Ribbon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5278 Posts
October 03 2011 04:57 GMT
#208
On October 02 2011 21:43 Silidons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2011 21:34 Ribbon wrote:
On October 02 2011 19:42 zwala wrote:
wat about show matches between BW players who switched to SCII and the new top foreigners ?


The new top foreigners would smash. Even if you mean like Nony and Day[9], they're long out of practice.

Perhaps more useful would be getting Nony (who occasionally says BW was a better game), and Idra (who will not stop fucking talking about how BW is a way better game because SC2 sucks and everyone who beats him sucks too who only beat him because bullshit etc) to have a TSL2 rematch commentated by Artosis (who often implies BW was a better game). That would have a bigger draw of people who weren't already BW fans, and would probably be a lot less one-sided, even if neither of them would be playing at anything like their former level.

On October 02 2011 10:27 sLiMpoweR wrote:
cant we just let bw rip its sad what it has become. I miss you bwwwwwww


I sometimes feel this is the predominant attitude, and it makes me want to give up.

in sc2 there is a HUGE difference (i came from there, not trying to compare but showing where i come from) in how bad someone actually is in bronze (which is the same as D) and how bad a player is who is D. for me it seems any D player can be masters in sc2 (i'm masters and sc2 and i get my ass handed to me here).


That has less to do with BW as a game and more to do with the fact ICCUP and Fish are pretty much 99% hardcore people nowadays. If we ever did flood it with enough newbs, the ranks would be devalued to the point of worthlessness, the way no one cares about being Diamond, no one would be impressed by a B rank.


On October 02 2011 19:16 LML wrote:
man, all this win7 problems, there is a simple fix: format your PC and install an OS that works fine with BW, even if it's just vista, I never had problems with my BW there.


I think this is a step too far for most people.....

i was just talking about how its very hard for new players to begin playing bw when even players like me who are in masters (granted i know i'm not very good overall but better than a majority of the people who play sc2) have such a hard time starting out because of how good almost everyone is. like i said, in bw rank D people have ~200 apm, in sc2, bronze people have 30-40apm. i was just saying the current system is very hard for recruiting new players.


Eh. Not that much. I have 60 APM, and I can play at a D level fairly consistently (though, granted, I'm protoss). A lot of people in D have like 500 APM but don't do anything with it. It's actually kind of funny. I'm plat in SC2, and able to hold D. It's just a matter of getting used to it, D's not all that good once you get used to manual mine and hotkeying your gateways individually (4d5d6d7z8t9p0p I can has macro)

.
On October 03 2011 11:45 Game wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2011 08:55 LG)Sabbath wrote:
On October 02 2011 21:43 Silidons wrote:
i was just talking about how its very hard for new players to begin playing bw when even players like me who are in masters (granted i know i'm not very good overall but better than a majority of the people who play sc2) have such a hard time starting out because of how good almost everyone is. like i said, in bw rank D people have ~200 apm, in sc2, bronze people have 30-40apm. i was just saying the current system is very hard for recruiting new players.

I think new players are more attracted by team games, 1v1 only starts to become really fun after you learn a few basic things... how many people start off on bw thinking about wanting to become a good 1v1 player, really?

Me. While most people talk about casual gaming, there is never a mindset to just play a game for hours on end just to endlessly be rolled over. There is a goal, whether you are good, or mediocre, you aimed to be good from the get go. Regardless of that, anyone who would play BW to this day should aim to be good. I know, you're thinking, nah they're just from SC2 or somewhere else and have a general interest of the feeling of the BW community, and the origin of the game. But that's not the case for your post sir, because this thread is about strengthening foreign BW, not making it more mediocre.


See, I don't agree with this at all. You can't have a sustainable scene be all pro people. There have to be lots of casuals who aren't good but still like watching foreign BW, because those are the people who watch/sponsor the tournaments that let the hardcore people afford to play more and more.
sluggaslamoo
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Australia4494 Posts
October 03 2011 06:04 GMT
#209
On October 02 2011 18:30 Silidons wrote:
yeah my problem right now is everyone i play is super better than me and it's a bit intimidating when everyone has ~200ish apm that i play on D. i mean it makes me really realize how good even C's are when ppl who are D are so fast etc.

in sc2 there is a HUGE difference (i came from there, not trying to compare but showing where i come from) in how bad someone actually is in bronze (which is the same as D) and how bad a player is who is D. for me it seems any D player can be masters in sc2 (i'm masters and sc2 and i get my ass handed to me here).

it just seems at this point in time its really hard starting up from scratch? i guess.


You just gotta lose your first 300 games, in SC2 a win is a win, but in BW when you win its the most rewarding feeling in the world.
Come play Android Netrunner - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=409008
writer22816
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States5775 Posts
October 03 2011 06:11 GMT
#210
I would gladly update invest the time to update Liquipedia but I don't know what the standard builds are. I'm signing up anyway.
8/4/12 never forget, never forgive.
Xenocide_Knight
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Korea (South)2625 Posts
October 03 2011 07:23 GMT
#211
On October 02 2011 18:30 Silidons wrote:
yeah my problem right now is everyone i play is super better than me and it's a bit intimidating when everyone has ~200ish apm that i play on D. i mean it makes me really realize how good even C's are when ppl who are D are so fast etc.

in sc2 there is a HUGE difference (i came from there, not trying to compare but showing where i come from) in how bad someone actually is in bronze (which is the same as D) and how bad a player is who is D. for me it seems any D player can be masters in sc2 (i'm masters and sc2 and i get my ass handed to me here).

it just seems at this point in time its really hard starting up from scratch? i guess.


I think this really is the biggest issue. There are definitely people who want to start BW but there just isn't much a community for them. Like a E/D-/low D level community. Maybe we could host a big "learn BW" event where a bunch of volunteer D/C level people teach the basics. It would also give the newer players a chance to meet with other players of their skill level so they don't feel so alienated on iccup
Shine[Kal] #1 fan
writer22816
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States5775 Posts
October 03 2011 07:49 GMT
#212
On October 03 2011 13:57 Ribbon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2011 21:43 Silidons wrote:
On October 02 2011 21:34 Ribbon wrote:
On October 02 2011 19:42 zwala wrote:
wat about show matches between BW players who switched to SCII and the new top foreigners ?


The new top foreigners would smash. Even if you mean like Nony and Day[9], they're long out of practice.

Perhaps more useful would be getting Nony (who occasionally says BW was a better game), and Idra (who will not stop fucking talking about how BW is a way better game because SC2 sucks and everyone who beats him sucks too who only beat him because bullshit etc) to have a TSL2 rematch commentated by Artosis (who often implies BW was a better game). That would have a bigger draw of people who weren't already BW fans, and would probably be a lot less one-sided, even if neither of them would be playing at anything like their former level.

On October 02 2011 10:27 sLiMpoweR wrote:
cant we just let bw rip its sad what it has become. I miss you bwwwwwww


I sometimes feel this is the predominant attitude, and it makes me want to give up.

in sc2 there is a HUGE difference (i came from there, not trying to compare but showing where i come from) in how bad someone actually is in bronze (which is the same as D) and how bad a player is who is D. for me it seems any D player can be masters in sc2 (i'm masters and sc2 and i get my ass handed to me here).


That has less to do with BW as a game and more to do with the fact ICCUP and Fish are pretty much 99% hardcore people nowadays. If we ever did flood it with enough newbs, the ranks would be devalued to the point of worthlessness, the way no one cares about being Diamond, no one would be impressed by a B rank.


On October 02 2011 19:16 LML wrote:
man, all this win7 problems, there is a simple fix: format your PC and install an OS that works fine with BW, even if it's just vista, I never had problems with my BW there.


I think this is a step too far for most people.....

i was just talking about how its very hard for new players to begin playing bw when even players like me who are in masters (granted i know i'm not very good overall but better than a majority of the people who play sc2) have such a hard time starting out because of how good almost everyone is. like i said, in bw rank D people have ~200 apm, in sc2, bronze people have 30-40apm. i was just saying the current system is very hard for recruiting new players.


Eh. Not that much. I have 60 APM, and I can play at a D level fairly consistently (though, granted, I'm protoss). A lot of people in D have like 500 APM but don't do anything with it. It's actually kind of funny. I'm plat in SC2, and able to hold D. It's just a matter of getting used to it, D's not all that good once you get used to manual mine and hotkeying your gateways individually (4d5d6d7z8t9p0p I can has macro)


ROFL you really shouldn't be criticizing other players if you only have 60 APM, sure the people who have 300 APM are spamming a bit but in the end they still have more apm than you.
8/4/12 never forget, never forgive.
writer22816
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States5775 Posts
October 03 2011 08:26 GMT
#213
I also want to clarify, for those who are having BW problems on Windows 7:

Use this patch and it will fix everything:

http://static.macuyiko.com/files/w7ddpatcher/w7ddpatcher.zip

Extract to your BW directory and apply the patch. It would be great if you could put it in the OP.
8/4/12 never forget, never forgive.
puppykiller
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States3137 Posts
October 03 2011 08:52 GMT
#214
On October 03 2011 17:26 writer22816 wrote:
I also want to clarify, for those who are having BW problems on Windows 7:

Use this patch and it will fix everything:

http://static.macuyiko.com/files/w7ddpatcher/w7ddpatcher.zip

Extract to your BW directory and apply the patch. It would be great if you could put it in the OP.


dude all u have to do is go to options --> video --> and disable "color cycling"
Why would I play sctoo when I can play BW?
Ribbon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5278 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-03 09:17:57
October 03 2011 09:17 GMT
#215
On October 03 2011 16:49 writer22816 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2011 13:57 Ribbon wrote:
On October 02 2011 21:43 Silidons wrote:
On October 02 2011 21:34 Ribbon wrote:
On October 02 2011 19:42 zwala wrote:
wat about show matches between BW players who switched to SCII and the new top foreigners ?


The new top foreigners would smash. Even if you mean like Nony and Day[9], they're long out of practice.

Perhaps more useful would be getting Nony (who occasionally says BW was a better game), and Idra (who will not stop fucking talking about how BW is a way better game because SC2 sucks and everyone who beats him sucks too who only beat him because bullshit etc) to have a TSL2 rematch commentated by Artosis (who often implies BW was a better game). That would have a bigger draw of people who weren't already BW fans, and would probably be a lot less one-sided, even if neither of them would be playing at anything like their former level.

On October 02 2011 10:27 sLiMpoweR wrote:
cant we just let bw rip its sad what it has become. I miss you bwwwwwww


I sometimes feel this is the predominant attitude, and it makes me want to give up.

in sc2 there is a HUGE difference (i came from there, not trying to compare but showing where i come from) in how bad someone actually is in bronze (which is the same as D) and how bad a player is who is D. for me it seems any D player can be masters in sc2 (i'm masters and sc2 and i get my ass handed to me here).


That has less to do with BW as a game and more to do with the fact ICCUP and Fish are pretty much 99% hardcore people nowadays. If we ever did flood it with enough newbs, the ranks would be devalued to the point of worthlessness, the way no one cares about being Diamond, no one would be impressed by a B rank.


On October 02 2011 19:16 LML wrote:
man, all this win7 problems, there is a simple fix: format your PC and install an OS that works fine with BW, even if it's just vista, I never had problems with my BW there.


I think this is a step too far for most people.....

i was just talking about how its very hard for new players to begin playing bw when even players like me who are in masters (granted i know i'm not very good overall but better than a majority of the people who play sc2) have such a hard time starting out because of how good almost everyone is. like i said, in bw rank D people have ~200 apm, in sc2, bronze people have 30-40apm. i was just saying the current system is very hard for recruiting new players.


Eh. Not that much. I have 60 APM, and I can play at a D level fairly consistently (though, granted, I'm protoss). A lot of people in D have like 500 APM but don't do anything with it. It's actually kind of funny. I'm plat in SC2, and able to hold D. It's just a matter of getting used to it, D's not all that good once you get used to manual mine and hotkeying your gateways individually (4d5d6d7z8t9p0p I can has macro)


ROFL you really shouldn't be criticizing other players if you only have 60 APM, sure the people who have 300 APM are spamming a bit but in the end they still have more apm than you.


So? I'm still beating them with my sixty, so obviously it's not much help to them.
writer22816
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States5775 Posts
October 03 2011 09:24 GMT
#216
On October 03 2011 18:17 Ribbon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2011 16:49 writer22816 wrote:
On October 03 2011 13:57 Ribbon wrote:
On October 02 2011 21:43 Silidons wrote:
On October 02 2011 21:34 Ribbon wrote:
On October 02 2011 19:42 zwala wrote:
wat about show matches between BW players who switched to SCII and the new top foreigners ?


The new top foreigners would smash. Even if you mean like Nony and Day[9], they're long out of practice.

Perhaps more useful would be getting Nony (who occasionally says BW was a better game), and Idra (who will not stop fucking talking about how BW is a way better game because SC2 sucks and everyone who beats him sucks too who only beat him because bullshit etc) to have a TSL2 rematch commentated by Artosis (who often implies BW was a better game). That would have a bigger draw of people who weren't already BW fans, and would probably be a lot less one-sided, even if neither of them would be playing at anything like their former level.

On October 02 2011 10:27 sLiMpoweR wrote:
cant we just let bw rip its sad what it has become. I miss you bwwwwwww


I sometimes feel this is the predominant attitude, and it makes me want to give up.

in sc2 there is a HUGE difference (i came from there, not trying to compare but showing where i come from) in how bad someone actually is in bronze (which is the same as D) and how bad a player is who is D. for me it seems any D player can be masters in sc2 (i'm masters and sc2 and i get my ass handed to me here).


That has less to do with BW as a game and more to do with the fact ICCUP and Fish are pretty much 99% hardcore people nowadays. If we ever did flood it with enough newbs, the ranks would be devalued to the point of worthlessness, the way no one cares about being Diamond, no one would be impressed by a B rank.


On October 02 2011 19:16 LML wrote:
man, all this win7 problems, there is a simple fix: format your PC and install an OS that works fine with BW, even if it's just vista, I never had problems with my BW there.


I think this is a step too far for most people.....

i was just talking about how its very hard for new players to begin playing bw when even players like me who are in masters (granted i know i'm not very good overall but better than a majority of the people who play sc2) have such a hard time starting out because of how good almost everyone is. like i said, in bw rank D people have ~200 apm, in sc2, bronze people have 30-40apm. i was just saying the current system is very hard for recruiting new players.


Eh. Not that much. I have 60 APM, and I can play at a D level fairly consistently (though, granted, I'm protoss). A lot of people in D have like 500 APM but don't do anything with it. It's actually kind of funny. I'm plat in SC2, and able to hold D. It's just a matter of getting used to it, D's not all that good once you get used to manual mine and hotkeying your gateways individually (4d5d6d7z8t9p0p I can has macro)


ROFL you really shouldn't be criticizing other players if you only have 60 APM, sure the people who have 300 APM are spamming a bit but in the end they still have more apm than you.


So? I'm still beating them with my sixty, so obviously it's not much help to them.


protoss
8/4/12 never forget, never forgive.
writer22816
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States5775 Posts
October 03 2011 09:25 GMT
#217
On October 03 2011 15:11 writer22816 wrote:
I would gladly update invest the time to update Liquipedia but I don't know what the standard builds are. I'm signing up anyway.


Created a Liquipedia page for the Neo Bisu Build, please read and update.

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/+1_Sair/Speedlot_(vs._Zerg)
8/4/12 never forget, never forgive.
puppykiller
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States3137 Posts
October 03 2011 09:34 GMT
#218
On October 03 2011 18:17 Ribbon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2011 16:49 writer22816 wrote:
On October 03 2011 13:57 Ribbon wrote:
On October 02 2011 21:43 Silidons wrote:
On October 02 2011 21:34 Ribbon wrote:
On October 02 2011 19:42 zwala wrote:
wat about show matches between BW players who switched to SCII and the new top foreigners ?


The new top foreigners would smash. Even if you mean like Nony and Day[9], they're long out of practice.

Perhaps more useful would be getting Nony (who occasionally says BW was a better game), and Idra (who will not stop fucking talking about how BW is a way better game because SC2 sucks and everyone who beats him sucks too who only beat him because bullshit etc) to have a TSL2 rematch commentated by Artosis (who often implies BW was a better game). That would have a bigger draw of people who weren't already BW fans, and would probably be a lot less one-sided, even if neither of them would be playing at anything like their former level.

On October 02 2011 10:27 sLiMpoweR wrote:
cant we just let bw rip its sad what it has become. I miss you bwwwwwww


I sometimes feel this is the predominant attitude, and it makes me want to give up.

in sc2 there is a HUGE difference (i came from there, not trying to compare but showing where i come from) in how bad someone actually is in bronze (which is the same as D) and how bad a player is who is D. for me it seems any D player can be masters in sc2 (i'm masters and sc2 and i get my ass handed to me here).


That has less to do with BW as a game and more to do with the fact ICCUP and Fish are pretty much 99% hardcore people nowadays. If we ever did flood it with enough newbs, the ranks would be devalued to the point of worthlessness, the way no one cares about being Diamond, no one would be impressed by a B rank.


On October 02 2011 19:16 LML wrote:
man, all this win7 problems, there is a simple fix: format your PC and install an OS that works fine with BW, even if it's just vista, I never had problems with my BW there.


I think this is a step too far for most people.....

i was just talking about how its very hard for new players to begin playing bw when even players like me who are in masters (granted i know i'm not very good overall but better than a majority of the people who play sc2) have such a hard time starting out because of how good almost everyone is. like i said, in bw rank D people have ~200 apm, in sc2, bronze people have 30-40apm. i was just saying the current system is very hard for recruiting new players.


Eh. Not that much. I have 60 APM, and I can play at a D level fairly consistently (though, granted, I'm protoss). A lot of people in D have like 500 APM but don't do anything with it. It's actually kind of funny. I'm plat in SC2, and able to hold D. It's just a matter of getting used to it, D's not all that good once you get used to manual mine and hotkeying your gateways individually (4d5d6d7z8t9p0p I can has macro)


ROFL you really shouldn't be criticizing other players if you only have 60 APM, sure the people who have 300 APM are spamming a bit but in the end they still have more apm than you.


So? I'm still beating them with my sixty, so obviously it's not much help to them.


if you want to play BW with noobs and dont really care to improve play on game ranger. I was playing on it the other day and i think the majority of players on it would rank around d-. There are a lot of players there that have just started and anyone can host without having a forwarded port. Its also a good place for UMS and BGH.
Why would I play sctoo when I can play BW?
Ribbon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5278 Posts
October 03 2011 09:49 GMT
#219
On October 03 2011 18:24 writer22816 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2011 18:17 Ribbon wrote:
On October 03 2011 16:49 writer22816 wrote:
On October 03 2011 13:57 Ribbon wrote:
On October 02 2011 21:43 Silidons wrote:
On October 02 2011 21:34 Ribbon wrote:
On October 02 2011 19:42 zwala wrote:
wat about show matches between BW players who switched to SCII and the new top foreigners ?


The new top foreigners would smash. Even if you mean like Nony and Day[9], they're long out of practice.

Perhaps more useful would be getting Nony (who occasionally says BW was a better game), and Idra (who will not stop fucking talking about how BW is a way better game because SC2 sucks and everyone who beats him sucks too who only beat him because bullshit etc) to have a TSL2 rematch commentated by Artosis (who often implies BW was a better game). That would have a bigger draw of people who weren't already BW fans, and would probably be a lot less one-sided, even if neither of them would be playing at anything like their former level.

On October 02 2011 10:27 sLiMpoweR wrote:
cant we just let bw rip its sad what it has become. I miss you bwwwwwww


I sometimes feel this is the predominant attitude, and it makes me want to give up.

in sc2 there is a HUGE difference (i came from there, not trying to compare but showing where i come from) in how bad someone actually is in bronze (which is the same as D) and how bad a player is who is D. for me it seems any D player can be masters in sc2 (i'm masters and sc2 and i get my ass handed to me here).


That has less to do with BW as a game and more to do with the fact ICCUP and Fish are pretty much 99% hardcore people nowadays. If we ever did flood it with enough newbs, the ranks would be devalued to the point of worthlessness, the way no one cares about being Diamond, no one would be impressed by a B rank.


On October 02 2011 19:16 LML wrote:
man, all this win7 problems, there is a simple fix: format your PC and install an OS that works fine with BW, even if it's just vista, I never had problems with my BW there.


I think this is a step too far for most people.....

i was just talking about how its very hard for new players to begin playing bw when even players like me who are in masters (granted i know i'm not very good overall but better than a majority of the people who play sc2) have such a hard time starting out because of how good almost everyone is. like i said, in bw rank D people have ~200 apm, in sc2, bronze people have 30-40apm. i was just saying the current system is very hard for recruiting new players.


Eh. Not that much. I have 60 APM, and I can play at a D level fairly consistently (though, granted, I'm protoss). A lot of people in D have like 500 APM but don't do anything with it. It's actually kind of funny. I'm plat in SC2, and able to hold D. It's just a matter of getting used to it, D's not all that good once you get used to manual mine and hotkeying your gateways individually (4d5d6d7z8t9p0p I can has macro)


ROFL you really shouldn't be criticizing other players if you only have 60 APM, sure the people who have 300 APM are spamming a bit but in the end they still have more apm than you.


So? I'm still beating them with my sixty, so obviously it's not much help to them.


protoss


True. Protoss is ezmodo

On October 03 2011 18:34 puppykiller wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2011 18:17 Ribbon wrote:
On October 03 2011 16:49 writer22816 wrote:
On October 03 2011 13:57 Ribbon wrote:
On October 02 2011 21:43 Silidons wrote:
On October 02 2011 21:34 Ribbon wrote:
On October 02 2011 19:42 zwala wrote:
wat about show matches between BW players who switched to SCII and the new top foreigners ?


The new top foreigners would smash. Even if you mean like Nony and Day[9], they're long out of practice.

Perhaps more useful would be getting Nony (who occasionally says BW was a better game), and Idra (who will not stop fucking talking about how BW is a way better game because SC2 sucks and everyone who beats him sucks too who only beat him because bullshit etc) to have a TSL2 rematch commentated by Artosis (who often implies BW was a better game). That would have a bigger draw of people who weren't already BW fans, and would probably be a lot less one-sided, even if neither of them would be playing at anything like their former level.

On October 02 2011 10:27 sLiMpoweR wrote:
cant we just let bw rip its sad what it has become. I miss you bwwwwwww


I sometimes feel this is the predominant attitude, and it makes me want to give up.

in sc2 there is a HUGE difference (i came from there, not trying to compare but showing where i come from) in how bad someone actually is in bronze (which is the same as D) and how bad a player is who is D. for me it seems any D player can be masters in sc2 (i'm masters and sc2 and i get my ass handed to me here).


That has less to do with BW as a game and more to do with the fact ICCUP and Fish are pretty much 99% hardcore people nowadays. If we ever did flood it with enough newbs, the ranks would be devalued to the point of worthlessness, the way no one cares about being Diamond, no one would be impressed by a B rank.


On October 02 2011 19:16 LML wrote:
man, all this win7 problems, there is a simple fix: format your PC and install an OS that works fine with BW, even if it's just vista, I never had problems with my BW there.


I think this is a step too far for most people.....

i was just talking about how its very hard for new players to begin playing bw when even players like me who are in masters (granted i know i'm not very good overall but better than a majority of the people who play sc2) have such a hard time starting out because of how good almost everyone is. like i said, in bw rank D people have ~200 apm, in sc2, bronze people have 30-40apm. i was just saying the current system is very hard for recruiting new players.


Eh. Not that much. I have 60 APM, and I can play at a D level fairly consistently (though, granted, I'm protoss). A lot of people in D have like 500 APM but don't do anything with it. It's actually kind of funny. I'm plat in SC2, and able to hold D. It's just a matter of getting used to it, D's not all that good once you get used to manual mine and hotkeying your gateways individually (4d5d6d7z8t9p0p I can has macro)


ROFL you really shouldn't be criticizing other players if you only have 60 APM, sure the people who have 300 APM are spamming a bit but in the end they still have more apm than you.


So? I'm still beating them with my sixty, so obviously it's not much help to them.


if you want to play BW with noobs and dont really care to improve play on game ranger. I was playing on it the other day and i think the majority of players on it would rank around d-. There are a lot of players there that have just started and anyone can host without having a forwarded port. Its also a good place for UMS and BGH.


I bolded the part that intrigues me the most. Link?
writer22816
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States5775 Posts
October 03 2011 09:53 GMT
#220
On October 03 2011 18:49 Ribbon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2011 18:24 writer22816 wrote:
On October 03 2011 18:17 Ribbon wrote:
On October 03 2011 16:49 writer22816 wrote:
On October 03 2011 13:57 Ribbon wrote:
On October 02 2011 21:43 Silidons wrote:
On October 02 2011 21:34 Ribbon wrote:
On October 02 2011 19:42 zwala wrote:
wat about show matches between BW players who switched to SCII and the new top foreigners ?


The new top foreigners would smash. Even if you mean like Nony and Day[9], they're long out of practice.

Perhaps more useful would be getting Nony (who occasionally says BW was a better game), and Idra (who will not stop fucking talking about how BW is a way better game because SC2 sucks and everyone who beats him sucks too who only beat him because bullshit etc) to have a TSL2 rematch commentated by Artosis (who often implies BW was a better game). That would have a bigger draw of people who weren't already BW fans, and would probably be a lot less one-sided, even if neither of them would be playing at anything like their former level.

On October 02 2011 10:27 sLiMpoweR wrote:
cant we just let bw rip its sad what it has become. I miss you bwwwwwww


I sometimes feel this is the predominant attitude, and it makes me want to give up.

in sc2 there is a HUGE difference (i came from there, not trying to compare but showing where i come from) in how bad someone actually is in bronze (which is the same as D) and how bad a player is who is D. for me it seems any D player can be masters in sc2 (i'm masters and sc2 and i get my ass handed to me here).


That has less to do with BW as a game and more to do with the fact ICCUP and Fish are pretty much 99% hardcore people nowadays. If we ever did flood it with enough newbs, the ranks would be devalued to the point of worthlessness, the way no one cares about being Diamond, no one would be impressed by a B rank.


On October 02 2011 19:16 LML wrote:
man, all this win7 problems, there is a simple fix: format your PC and install an OS that works fine with BW, even if it's just vista, I never had problems with my BW there.


I think this is a step too far for most people.....

i was just talking about how its very hard for new players to begin playing bw when even players like me who are in masters (granted i know i'm not very good overall but better than a majority of the people who play sc2) have such a hard time starting out because of how good almost everyone is. like i said, in bw rank D people have ~200 apm, in sc2, bronze people have 30-40apm. i was just saying the current system is very hard for recruiting new players.


Eh. Not that much. I have 60 APM, and I can play at a D level fairly consistently (though, granted, I'm protoss). A lot of people in D have like 500 APM but don't do anything with it. It's actually kind of funny. I'm plat in SC2, and able to hold D. It's just a matter of getting used to it, D's not all that good once you get used to manual mine and hotkeying your gateways individually (4d5d6d7z8t9p0p I can has macro)


ROFL you really shouldn't be criticizing other players if you only have 60 APM, sure the people who have 300 APM are spamming a bit but in the end they still have more apm than you.


So? I'm still beating them with my sixty, so obviously it's not much help to them.


protoss


True. Protoss is ezmodo

Show nested quote +
On October 03 2011 18:34 puppykiller wrote:
On October 03 2011 18:17 Ribbon wrote:
On October 03 2011 16:49 writer22816 wrote:
On October 03 2011 13:57 Ribbon wrote:
On October 02 2011 21:43 Silidons wrote:
On October 02 2011 21:34 Ribbon wrote:
On October 02 2011 19:42 zwala wrote:
wat about show matches between BW players who switched to SCII and the new top foreigners ?


The new top foreigners would smash. Even if you mean like Nony and Day[9], they're long out of practice.

Perhaps more useful would be getting Nony (who occasionally says BW was a better game), and Idra (who will not stop fucking talking about how BW is a way better game because SC2 sucks and everyone who beats him sucks too who only beat him because bullshit etc) to have a TSL2 rematch commentated by Artosis (who often implies BW was a better game). That would have a bigger draw of people who weren't already BW fans, and would probably be a lot less one-sided, even if neither of them would be playing at anything like their former level.

On October 02 2011 10:27 sLiMpoweR wrote:
cant we just let bw rip its sad what it has become. I miss you bwwwwwww


I sometimes feel this is the predominant attitude, and it makes me want to give up.

in sc2 there is a HUGE difference (i came from there, not trying to compare but showing where i come from) in how bad someone actually is in bronze (which is the same as D) and how bad a player is who is D. for me it seems any D player can be masters in sc2 (i'm masters and sc2 and i get my ass handed to me here).


That has less to do with BW as a game and more to do with the fact ICCUP and Fish are pretty much 99% hardcore people nowadays. If we ever did flood it with enough newbs, the ranks would be devalued to the point of worthlessness, the way no one cares about being Diamond, no one would be impressed by a B rank.


On October 02 2011 19:16 LML wrote:
man, all this win7 problems, there is a simple fix: format your PC and install an OS that works fine with BW, even if it's just vista, I never had problems with my BW there.


I think this is a step too far for most people.....

i was just talking about how its very hard for new players to begin playing bw when even players like me who are in masters (granted i know i'm not very good overall but better than a majority of the people who play sc2) have such a hard time starting out because of how good almost everyone is. like i said, in bw rank D people have ~200 apm, in sc2, bronze people have 30-40apm. i was just saying the current system is very hard for recruiting new players.


Eh. Not that much. I have 60 APM, and I can play at a D level fairly consistently (though, granted, I'm protoss). A lot of people in D have like 500 APM but don't do anything with it. It's actually kind of funny. I'm plat in SC2, and able to hold D. It's just a matter of getting used to it, D's not all that good once you get used to manual mine and hotkeying your gateways individually (4d5d6d7z8t9p0p I can has macro)


ROFL you really shouldn't be criticizing other players if you only have 60 APM, sure the people who have 300 APM are spamming a bit but in the end they still have more apm than you.


So? I'm still beating them with my sixty, so obviously it's not much help to them.


if you want to play BW with noobs and dont really care to improve play on game ranger. I was playing on it the other day and i think the majority of players on it would rank around d-. There are a lot of players there that have just started and anyone can host without having a forwarded port. Its also a good place for UMS and BGH.


I bolded the part that intrigues me the most. Link?


I would guess that its like Hamachi/Garena.
8/4/12 never forget, never forgive.
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