EPTWhat's with all the hostility? - Page 16
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Kibibit
United States1551 Posts
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Blasterion
China10272 Posts
On July 29 2011 11:38 Sawamura wrote: Did i expressly said that sc2 or all other suck I am merely stating the fact as it is hard for you to swallow it down ? Sc2 is easier down right in terms of mechanics compared to bw bring any sc2 scrubs to bw and try playing it against a pro let me see a 4 v 1 flash i don't think you can even graze him at all. Let me translate what you said into simpler terms SC2 is easier, your pros suck, our pros are gosu, Flash can own your pros any day. Oh yeah and all your pros are scrubs | ||
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Caladbolg
2855 Posts
On July 29 2011 11:31 Sawamura wrote: Although with due respect caladblog in my opinion your example of saying we are michael jordan and they are kobe byrant let's put it to perspective basketball it self hasn't change in any way it is played did the hoops get bigger and has the stand become much shorter so you can slam dunk all day ? . I don't think so Sc2 is a much watered down version of bw much easier in term of mechanics very friendly to any users who are interacting the interface compared to the MICHEAL JORDAN in bw who are dealing with so much difficulties in handling micro and mechanic on the fly to pull of that moment that WOW in the game you have been seeing in any bw game . Sorry but it's hard for me to swallow a game that it's not even ready to receive our torch not when they haven't gone through what we had to win a single game in bw . Sc2 is not the successor that we are looking for. The players have changed, the rules have changed. There is an analogy there and I think my point was unheard. BW is Michael Jordan simply because of the shadow he has cast, and because he made basketball a global game. SC2 is raw, but if you can't see the potential then it's kinda sad. The mechanics are easier, but so is basketball right now for wing players (given the hand-check rules). MJ would kill this game if he played right now. | ||
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cakezz15
Korea (South)10 Posts
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Sawamura
Malaysia7602 Posts
On July 29 2011 11:41 Blasterion wrote: Let me translate what you said into simpler terms SC2 is easier, your pros suck, our pros are gosu, Flash can own your pros any day. Oh yeah and all your pros are scrubs obviously yes . | ||
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Blasterion
China10272 Posts
On July 29 2011 11:43 cakezz15 wrote: well bw is dying.. so eventually if bw progamers wanna keep playing starcraft competetively they will switch over to sc2. I want flash, jd, and bisu to switch asap haha ummm.... you sir are kinda the root of these problems | ||
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wassbix
Canada499 Posts
On July 29 2011 11:41 Blasterion wrote: Let me translate what you said into simpler terms SC2 is easier, your pros suck, our pros are gosu, Flash can own your pros any day. Oh yeah and all your pros are scrubs Well in all honesty, trying to put Iron/Zergbong/Idra on the same level as Flash and JD is non-sense. The three of them all played BW and never even reached A team status. Does SC2 reward some different skill set than a BW pro? Maybe, but its not very convincing when at the end of the day most of the top SC2 player are former BW B-teamers. | ||
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Sawamura
Malaysia7602 Posts
On July 29 2011 11:43 Caladbolg wrote: The players have changed, the rules have changed. There is an analogy there and I think my point was unheard. BW is Michael Jordan simply because of the shadow he has cast, and because he made basketball a global game. SC2 is raw, but if you can't see the potential then it's kinda sad. The mechanics are easier, but so is basketball right now for wing players (given the hand-check rules). MJ would kill this game if he played right now. In other words every great player becomes a shadow after leaving such an impact towards the game ? I don't think so any player do aspire to become michael jordan to be the MAN to be the guy who will always win no matter what the odds and keep shooting score as long he can breath . So i can't agree with the particular statement . Rules has change made it easier for the wing player but basketball still remain as it is intact a hard game which require whole lots of skills it hasn't really change that much . On the other hand sc2 it self I could not even called it worthy to have a starcraft name I just can't seem to get use with the graphics . Sorry I am probably skewed towards broodwar maybe because of my old eyes. | ||
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cakezz15
Korea (South)10 Posts
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Sawamura
Malaysia7602 Posts
On July 29 2011 11:49 cakezz15 wrote: i mean bw will die eventually wouldnt you agree? most likely in the next couple years How do you know are you some nostradamus ? | ||
BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50392 Posts
On July 29 2011 11:49 cakezz15 wrote: i mean bw will die eventually wouldnt you agree? most likely in the next couple years maybe,maybe not. still the right death for BW is the loss of interest for the game,which will take longer than 2 years to happen. | ||
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blahman3344
United States2015 Posts
On July 29 2011 11:43 cakezz15 wrote: well bw is dying.. so eventually if bw progamers wanna keep playing starcraft competetively they will switch over to sc2. I want flash, jd, and bisu to switch asap haha I hope you're being sarcastic. We've pretty much discussed a lot about how people say "BW is dying, everyone switch pl0x," and your comment is kinda proving that point. =\ | ||
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cakezz15
Korea (South)10 Posts
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Blasterion
China10272 Posts
On July 29 2011 11:48 Sawamura wrote: On the other hand sc2 it self I could not even called it worthy to have a starcraft name I think this is another reason why BW fans are disliked Seems some BW Fans just dislike SC2 because it's SC2 and not BW. | ||
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Sawamura
Malaysia7602 Posts
On July 29 2011 11:54 cakezz15 wrote: lol sc1 is no longer gaining any more popularity, it got taken over by sc2 in wcg this year already, if you read the interviews of the coaches of pro teams such as kt's, he admits sc1 is losing popularity and the switch will eventually happen. Its pretty obvious..-_-.. jaedong also said he will switch over to sc2 when the time is appropriate I ain't buying it show me the links where you boldly stated that kt coach admits that sc1 is losing popularity and about jaedong yeah that's up to him . On July 29 2011 11:55 Blasterion wrote: I think this is another reason why BW fans are disliked i am sorry that's probably my opinion as a player who started playing bw from 1998 since i was just in primary school. On the other hand hate me do not generalize all BW FANS some are much lenient but not me . | ||
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wassbix
Canada499 Posts
On July 29 2011 11:49 cakezz15 wrote: i mean bw will die eventually wouldnt you agree? most likely in the next couple years Whether it does or not, people are sadly mistaken if they think BW fans and pro will suddenly move over to SC2. Its tiny in Korea, far far smaller than BW and hasn't shown much sign of life. I doubt many A/S class players are going to move away from a 40k-100k+ salaries to play in teams that can barely feed them. Obviously different story for many of the B-teamer given they don't have much to lose. As for the fans? Ehh I think majourity of the people still following BW accepted that SC2 is not their cup of tea. Sudden collapse of the scene is not going to make them suddenly embrace SC2. I think when the scene dies we'll see many just log off and not return ^^. | ||
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ILOVEKITTENS
Korea (South)112 Posts
On July 29 2011 11:39 Kibibit wrote: Finally got to a computer to get to say this. The big problem is I think most people are confusing peoples general opinion on SC2 (I don't like it, no sir) with the rare, vitriolic BW-for-life guys that exist far more in strawman than in real life, but I can take part of the blame for Blasterion's woes and thoughts; He hangs around 4 massive trolls (including myself) who find it funny to watch SC2 fans squirm at our over-the-top elitism and fanatacism. At the end of the day, the people you see generally have little to nothing to say about SC2 when you or other enthusiastic SC2 fans are around. I'm not saying what we do is right by any means, I just want to clarify that the four of us do NOT represent the community as a whole, and the consistently banned status of two of them should tell you enough. Wow. Since, of course, the amount of times a user has been banned on this website is reflective of their ability to make coherent thoughts, opinions, and appropriate actions in real life. I guess I can't blame you for seeing people as extensions of their handles, but I thought I knew you better than that. | ||
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Sawamura
Malaysia7602 Posts
On July 29 2011 11:55 wassbix wrote: Whether it does or not, people are sadly mistaken if they think BW fans and pro will suddenly move over to SC2. Its tiny in Korea, far far smaller than BW and hasn't shown much sign of life. I doubt many A/S class players are going to move away from a 40k-100k+ salaries to play in teams that can barely feed them. Obviously different story for many of the B-teamer given they don't have much to lose. As for the fans? Ehh I think majourity of the people still following BW accepted that SC2 is not their cup of tea. Sudden collapse of the scene is not going to make them suddenly embrace SC2. I think when the scene dies we'll see many just log off and not return ^^. I will probably quit watching any games if that is the case .. | ||
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GinDo
3327 Posts
On July 29 2011 11:55 Sawamura wrote: I ain't buying it show me the links where you boldly stated that kt coach admits that sc1 is losing popularity and about jaedong yeah that's up to him . i am sorry that's probably my opinion as a player who started playing bw from 1998 since i was just in primary school. On the other hand hate me do not generalize all BW FANS some are much lenient but not me . I can vouch that KT coaches said that. Also Jeadong. Heck even Flash said when the time is right. Alot of B teamers are switching because they had no future in BW. At least in SC2 being a new game they got a second chance and for once are experiencing being the best. The only reason why top BW player haven't switched is that they are earning nice plump salary from playing BW. Why sacrifice top rank in BW and top salary for a game they would have to learn and run the risk of not being the best nor making as much. | ||
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Kibibit
United States1551 Posts
On July 29 2011 11:59 ILOVEKITTENS wrote: Wow. Since, of course, the amount of times a user has been banned on this website is reflective of their ability to make coherent thoughts, opinions, and appropriate actions in real life. I guess I can't blame you for seeing people as extensions of their handles, but I thought I knew you better than that. It doesn't, and my statement never had any bearing on you on whether or not you are a coherent and capable person, and as someone who knows me, you should know I think nothing of the sort. My point still stands, if you were entirely standard, either everyone would be banned or nobody would. The original point of the entire statement is that everyone he's hung around for BW are actually disproportionately willing to take digs at the game openly. I'll lay it out right now, I don't do underhanded digs, I mean what I say quite literally to the word here. There is little to no content in that original sentence about what I think about you as a person. (addendum: at least in serious conversations) | ||
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