The Hope of Protoss: The Scout - Page 7

On June 13 2011 08:17 ZeromuS wrote:


Im new to BW but when watching some old and classic/defining games and stuff all i can say is how? I mean there are some awesome protosses out there aren't there?

(sry for noobishness of a new BW spectator >.<)

On June 13 2011 07:40 MountainDewJunkie wrote:

No, the the mana is what is it was before being mind controlled.

So much misinformation in this thread...

On June 13 2011 06:50 littlefighter wrote:


I pretty sure that only applies to other Dark Archons.

On June 13 2011 08:31 ArvickHero wrote:

which is why I said "I'm not sure" before, no need to be such a dick about it.

Would be cool if someone could test this out lol

On June 13 2011 09:00 dukethegold wrote:
I used to experiment with Mindcontrol a lot.

From what I recall, when you mindcontrol a unit, you gain all the spells of the MC'ed unit.

If you MC an enemy high templar with the amulet and stormed researched, all of your templars will instantly receive those upgrades for free.

If you MC a crackling, you will receive the adrenaline gland upgrade, assuming you have lings.

However, the attack/defense upgrades will not be transferred.

When you MC a unit of different race, it will be outside of your Protoss supply. If you MC a drone or SCV, you can build a Zerg or Terran army of your own as they will have their own supplies.

If you MC'ed a caster, it will retain all of its energy.

A Dark Archon will lose all of its shield the instant it casts MC, leaving it with 25hp.

On June 13 2011 10:26 iTzAnglory wrote:
Corsairs definitely have potential if the mechanics were like in StarCraft 2 with autocast, but unfortunately it is not. It is definitely too difficult to micro Corsairs along with your army in late game.

On June 13 2011 12:37 ArvickHero wrote:

with a tiny bit of practice, Progamers can utilize DWeb as efficiently as any other spell. Bisu's Sair/Reaver/Carrier is a good reference to DWeb being used extremely well, and some Chinese progamers have developed a Dragoon/Corsair PvT style. It's just most don't choose to use Corsairs because it's not really needed, although I believe as PvZ evolves and Protosses in general catch up to Bisu's level of Corsair control/preservation, we'll be seeing DWeb tactics being incorporated mid-late game.

On June 13 2011 12:49 d_so wrote:


nah dude i disagree with this. Dwebb is not a new concept at the professional level; it had its chance during the Sair/Reaver craze and was featured by several prominent players including Bisu. But pro players have deliberately chosen to not upgrade it since.

On June 12 2011 01:57 d_so wrote:
massed scouts rape everything a zerg has besides devourers/mutas. When muta microed they outrange hydras easy.

in PvT i think scouts should be used mid game to kill dropships.

On June 13 2011 12:49 d_so wrote:


nah dude i disagree with this. Dwebb is not a new concept at the professional level; it had its chance during the Sair/Reaver craze and was featured by several prominent players including Bisu. But pro players have deliberately chosen to not upgrade it since.

On June 13 2011 14:29 ArvickHero wrote:

Exactly what do you disagree with? DWeb wasn't used primarily because of how out-of-the-way Protosses had to go to use DWeb if they were going standard (standard being only getting 3 Corsairs, and a big ground army), but with Corsair/Reaver/Carrier (which maps do not favor currently, not to mention it is insanely hard to pull off) it was a very natural extension to simply upgrade DWeb (which they did). Now that +1 Corsairs are featured in every PvZ, it would be pretty natural for Protosses to simply upgrade DWeb if they can preserve their Corsairs well.

The problem being is, IF they can preserve their Corsairs well. Most Protoss progamers end up losing almost all their Corsairs by the mid-late game, so of course it's not worth it to spend money on the Fleet Beacon and research DWeb. But since progamers are always using Corsairs now, I feel that Corsair control/preservation will reach a very strong finesse (like Terrans and EMP, way better at it now than before) that will justify forays into DWeb tactics.

Incidentally, Kal also had notably used DWeb in a couple of PvZs earlier this year. Then he fell into a huge slump lol

On June 12 2011 07:48 DMXD wrote:
I also like to add that terrans these days like going barrack into Comand Center to soft counter fast next, going forge Fe put you really really behind against this.