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RAPiDCasting
Profile Joined July 2009
Korea (South)594 Posts
May 09 2011 14:25 GMT
#221
So. Rediculously. Pumped. However, here's what I see happening:

1: MBCGameHero and OnGameNet Start their own SC2 Tournaments
2: They have regular Korean Tournaments, with free VODs (gogo nevake )
3: GSL. Gets. Raped.

I mean, just look at the production values for the Existing SC:BW Starleagues right now. Ridiculously good.

I am so happy for eSports. I think the best thing Blizzard can do is let it run free outside of GOM.
The faster caster. @RAPiDCasting
Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-09 14:25:59
May 09 2011 14:25 GMT
#222
On May 09 2011 23:21 eight.BiT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2011 23:12 zeru wrote:
On May 09 2011 23:08 eight.BiT wrote:
Didn't it take Blizzard like 10 full years to balance BW where it is today? I can't find the youtube link but there is a video that does a timelapse of all the BW balance changes over the years... most of which was pretty imba until recently.

They havent balanced BW since patch 1.08, which was in like 2001.

Looking at this video since I can't find any dates on google.

Says 1.13 was patched 5 different times in 2005. and then 2006 the ladder died.

Not balance patches. Mostly bugs / exploits.
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-09 14:26:57
May 09 2011 14:26 GMT
#223
On May 09 2011 23:21 eight.BiT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2011 23:12 zeru wrote:
On May 09 2011 23:08 eight.BiT wrote:
Didn't it take Blizzard like 10 full years to balance BW where it is today? I can't find the youtube link but there is a video that does a timelapse of all the BW balance changes over the years... most of which was pretty imba until recently.

They havent balanced BW since patch 1.08, which was in like 2001.

Looking at this video since I can't find any dates on google.



Says 1.13 was patched 5 different times in 2005. and then 2006 the ladder died.


It is true that BW was patched more, however

Patch 1.08 is the last balance patch.

This link will be of use for you:

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Patches
WriterXiao8~~
eight.BiT
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States240 Posts
May 09 2011 14:27 GMT
#224
On May 09 2011 23:26 Kipsate wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2011 23:21 eight.BiT wrote:
On May 09 2011 23:12 zeru wrote:
On May 09 2011 23:08 eight.BiT wrote:
Didn't it take Blizzard like 10 full years to balance BW where it is today? I can't find the youtube link but there is a video that does a timelapse of all the BW balance changes over the years... most of which was pretty imba until recently.

They havent balanced BW since patch 1.08, which was in like 2001.

Looking at this video since I can't find any dates on google.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4ijwtGCaRg

Says 1.13 was patched 5 different times in 2005. and then 2006 the ladder died.


It is true that BW was patched more, however

Patch 1.08 is the last balance patch.

This link will be of use for you:

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Patches

ty<3
SagaZ
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
France3460 Posts
May 09 2011 14:30 GMT
#225
oh man this is finally over
so glad
Be nice, buy wards and don't feed double buff.
ilbh
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil1606 Posts
May 09 2011 14:33 GMT
#226
the best thing that could happen would be OGN and MBC doing SC2 tournaments, but I really don't think it is going to happen...
Part of the inhumanity of the computer is that, once it is competently programmed and working smoothly, it is completely honest.
garbanzo
Profile Joined October 2009
United States4046 Posts
May 09 2011 14:33 GMT
#227
I'm very tentative to call this good news. At best it seems like a forewarning that there is going to possibly be good news sometime soon. I think it's best to wait for an official statement. There aren't really many details about what the end result will be in the article.

I'm very confused about why people think that a possible end to the IP rights dispute that would allow OGN/MBC to finally broadcast legally would mean progamers should switch to SC2. If anything it will strengthen people's resolve that BW will be the RTS game in Korea.

I just realized that I hope this means BW can return in WCG. Definitely not this year, but in the future. That would be great.
Even during difficult times, when I sat down to play the game, there were times where it felt like god has descended down and played [for me].
thoradycus
Profile Joined August 2010
Malaysia3262 Posts
May 09 2011 14:35 GMT
#228
Now that blizz cant "artificially" end BW, i hope this gives more incentive and push to improve upon SC2.
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
May 09 2011 14:37 GMT
#229
The only good thing about this is that sponsors will be more willing to back BW with the dispute behind them (and no more negative stigma to supporting an 'unlicensed'/'illegal' tournament). I couldn't really care less about the possibility of OGN/MBCGame sc2 leagues though.
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
wassbix
Profile Joined October 2009
Canada499 Posts
May 09 2011 14:37 GMT
#230
On May 09 2011 23:35 thoradycus wrote:
Now that blizz cant "artificially" end BW, i hope this gives more incentive and push to improve upon SC2.


I somehow doubt lawyers were working on balance patches.
Captain Peabody
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3120 Posts
May 09 2011 14:39 GMT
#231
AMAZING news, if this is true. I'll be keeping my fingers crossed until we have official confirmation, though.

BW vs SC2 debates just make me angry. Soooooo much ignorance on both sides.

BW is definitely more popular in Korea than SC2 at the moment, though SC2 seems to have a very healthy niche scene there and is growing rapidly.
BW requires lots of skill, is much more developed as an e-sport than SC2 at the moment, and is a good game. SC2 requires lots of skill, is developing at an exponential rate, and is a good game. So sayeth we all.
Dies Irae venit. youtube.com/SnobbinsFilms
RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6240 Posts
May 09 2011 14:39 GMT
#232
I don't get where all these blizzard wanted to kill bw comments are coming from. If they wanted to kill it they would have just filed an injunction and you wouldn't have had broadcasted bw anymore.

anyway nice to see it's getting solved .
Tomfour
Profile Joined September 2010
United States173 Posts
May 09 2011 14:40 GMT
#233
If they can now cast Starcraft 2 would they even want to because of how unsuccessful Starcraft 2 has been compared to Starcraft 1 for Korean fans?

Personally, I hope they don't broadcast any SC2, leave it to Gom, because they would make SC have a little bit more competition and could possibly be the start of it being phased out a little bit in Korea.
Furycrab
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada456 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-09 14:47:44
May 09 2011 14:41 GMT
#234
YES so glad it's finally settled.


No argument there

I hope KeSPA doesn't ever broadcast or promote SC2 though, they will regret it.


What they end up doing is up to them, however they can't badmouth any Blizzard products or future endevours. Which mostly means now that they can't badmouth GOM or HotS, which to Blizzard is just as good as them promoting SC2.

"Interviewer: What do you think of HotS?

KeSPA: That is a Blizzard product... No comment."

I don't think anyone I've ever come across who watches and understands both BW and SC2 will ever say that the excitement SC2 brings about is anything worth comparing to BW's. That's probably also the same reason why some SC2ers, especially the very young ones make ridiculously uninformed comments about BW.


I can't comment on what younger SC2ers say, but I enjoy both scenes and while I'm not sure what gets me more excited, I will say it's much easier to get excited about a good match I can watch live without waking up at 5am, in english, featuring international players. The BW scene is just never ever going to deliver in that department. So while I have tons of fun watching BW, I do get more excited when news of a good SC2 match is coming.

[
Too tired to come up with something witty.
Chimpalimp
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1135 Posts
May 09 2011 14:41 GMT
#235
I'm glad the great debacle has finally found its end. Lets stop whining about which game is better, its unnecessary after receiving such great news. Even if you find SDM's post as instigating, who cares, he has brought us great news.
I like money. You like money too? We should hang out.
aimaimaim
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Philippines2167 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-09 14:46:59
May 09 2011 14:43 GMT
#236
SC2 is just isn't going as fast as blizzard had hoped for on Korea.

And you are just blind if you think that BW progamers will transition in the near future. With Blizzard controlling the game flow of SC2, with 2 more expansions to come and how Blizzard has bombarded SC2 with it's patching, I don't think KeSPA will be happy with this if ever they are going to have a department for SC2. It's just too volatile.

Blizzard have never truly balanced BW. The maps, the players' skills, time and money and drama balanced the game for the players and for the fans watching.

But this is just my 2 cents. You can have your opinions on this matter but to me, Blizzard knew they were in the short end of the stick with one.
Religion is a dying idea .. || 'E-sport' outside Korea are nerds who wants to feel like rockstars. || I'm not gonna fuck with trolls on General Forum ever again .. FUCK!
[F_]aths
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Germany3947 Posts
May 09 2011 14:45 GMT
#237
On May 09 2011 22:19 Milkis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2011 22:15 Krehlmar wrote:
No offence but in due time Korea will not be the e-gaming capital of the world, my thoughts is just that it has way to many stubborn BW fans/plaers that continue to make SC2 sound like it's "off" in Korea, whilst the rest of the world has realised that SC2 is the chance to make Esports big and thus it's gaining the support it is.


no offence but in due time the SC2 bubble will die and everything you thought was stable will disappear and the SC2 scene will be only a shell of what is around now. let me know if sc2 lasts 10 years, because it wont.
I think it will. As the beta started, I called SC2 the game (in sense of defining RTS / most prestigious esports title) for the then-next (and now-current) decade.
You don't choose to play zerg. The zerg choose you.
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-09 14:48:54
May 09 2011 14:45 GMT
#238
On May 09 2011 23:41 Furycrab wrote:
Show nested quote +
YES so glad it's finally settled.


No argument there

Show nested quote +
I hope KeSPA doesn't ever broadcast or promote SC2 though, they will regret it.


What they end up doing is up to them, however they can't badmouth any Blizzard products or future endevours. Which mostly means now that they can't badmouth GOM or HotS, which to Blizzard is just as good as them promoting SC2.

"Interviewer: What do you think of HotS?

KeSPA: That is a Blizzard product... No comment."

Show nested quote +
I don't think anyone I've ever come across who watches and understands both BW and SC2 will ever say that the excitement SC2 brings about is anything worth comparing to BW's. That's probably also the same reason why some SC2ers, especially the very young ones make ridiculously uninformed comments about BW.


I can't comment on what younger SC2ers say, but I enjoy both scenes and while I'm not sure what gets me more excited, but I will say it's much easier to get excited about a good match I can watch live without waking up at 5am, in english, featuring international players. The BW scene is just never ever going to deliver in that department. So while I have tons of fun watching BW, I do get more excited when news of a good SC2 match is coming.

[


Thats personal preference, and part of the reason why people will never agree, I don't like waking up at 5 am more then you, but it is so worth it to me. I personally couldn't care less about ''foreigners'', I care about the best players most of them are Korean(a feat noone can deny), but I have no bias.
Also there hasn't been a really good english commentator who can deliver the same excitement as Klazart could for me(Watching SC2 with korean commentary is so much better for me btw). A problem with SCBW is that it is hard to understand for the casual person, the fact that it is commentated in Korean is amazing and fun for us(I mean, have you ever seen guys with so much passion?for a game?). However a new person does not understand korean, and does not really know what is going on in the game. Therefore he will have to delve back into older SCBW games, and that is simply not appeasing for him because the community does not watch it with him.

Its personal preference I suppose.

Also I find SCBW more appealing to the eye then SC2 for some reason keke(in most departments).(also personal preference).

Its not nostalgia,the game still exists, its not because I refuse to accept change, frankly I haven't been here very long on Teamliquid. I came here because of SC2 beta, and realized that the game was not what I was looking for, I started following BW again(I used to watch randomly on youtube, jon747/Violetak).

I don't dislike SC2 however:
For me , SC2 is a game, SCBW is a sport.
WriterXiao8~~
ShadeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7535 Posts
May 09 2011 14:55 GMT
#239
So read page 1 and was like "ohh yeah dispute is over =]"
Then read page 11 and was like " =_= (cj face) sc2 infestation =_="
aimaimaim
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Philippines2167 Posts
May 09 2011 14:56 GMT
#240
On May 09 2011 23:55 ShadeR wrote:
So read page 1 and was like "ohh yeah dispute is over =]"
Then read page 11 and was like " =_= (cj face) sc2 infestation =_="


If you were a rabid fanboy, you too, would infest the infidel's forum.
Religion is a dying idea .. || 'E-sport' outside Korea are nerds who wants to feel like rockstars. || I'm not gonna fuck with trolls on General Forum ever again .. FUCK!
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