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MechKing
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3004 Posts
May 09 2011 15:14 GMT
#261
Awesome, hopefully we get some more SC2 tournaments out there besides GSL. This would probably give foreigners more incentive to move to Korea to compete, and I think everyone would like that.
Captain Peabody
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3134 Posts
May 09 2011 15:14 GMT
#262
On May 10 2011 00:05 BLinD-RawR wrote:
ok happy times people no more BW vs SC2

[image loading][image loading][image loading][image loading]


I demand to know WHERE YOU ARE GETTING THOSE AWESOME SHEEP!
If you don't tell me, my obsessive need to possess and use rainbow sheep in my posts will TEAR ME TO SHREDS!

Have you no mercy?
Dies Irae venit. youtube.com/SnobbinsFilms
Ribbon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5278 Posts
May 09 2011 15:16 GMT
#263
On May 10 2011 00:07 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2011 00:06 Ribbon wrote:
On May 10 2011 00:05 BLinD-RawR wrote:
ok happy times people no more BW vs SC2

[image loading][image loading][image loading][image loading]


Oh, dude. You just KNOW there's going to be a literal SC2 vs BW thing; some kind of GOM/Kespa BW/SC2 joint tournament. A lot of SC2 players are former brood war pros, right? Even as a publicity stunt, it'd be baller to see, say, Nada and Flash doing a pair of bo7s, one in BW, one in SC2.


not even in my worst nightmares,the event would be horribad.


I don't think so. Nada/Boxer/July are still pretty good. Sure, it would be predictable and mainly for novelty value, but it'd still be kind of neat.

On the other hand, if Flash beat Nada in SC2 or Nestea beat Jaedong in BW, the SC2 vs BW debates would be even more insufferable than they are now
Bear4188
Profile Joined March 2010
United States1797 Posts
May 09 2011 15:16 GMT
#264
I didn't notice mentioned in the OP and forgive me for not reading through 13 pages, but I think GOM still has full rights to SC2 broadcasts in Korea. Anyone wishing to hold a SC2 tournament still must negotiate with GOM. So, no, this probably doesn't mean more SC2 on Korean TV.
"I learned very early the difference between knowing the name of something and knowing something." - R. Feynman
VGhost
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3620 Posts
May 09 2011 15:17 GMT
#265
Good news! Hopefully they can get the amount of the fee settled quickly and not drag that out for another six months.
#4427 || I am not going to scan a ferret.
Ribbon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5278 Posts
May 09 2011 15:17 GMT
#266
On May 10 2011 00:16 Bear4188 wrote:
I didn't notice mentioned in the OP and forgive me for not reading through 13 pages, but I think GOM still has full rights to SC2 broadcasts in Korea. Anyone wishing to hold a SC2 tournament still must negotiate with GOM. So, no, this probably doesn't mean more SC2 on Korean TV.


That's bad for the Korean SC2 scene, but good for the foreign SC2 scene, because Korean pros more enter foreign tournaments as a result.
e_i_pi_1_0
Profile Joined September 2009
933 Posts
May 09 2011 15:19 GMT
#267
On May 10 2011 00:14 Captain Peabody wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2011 00:05 BLinD-RawR wrote:
ok happy times people no more BW vs SC2

[image loading][image loading][image loading][image loading]


I demand to know WHERE YOU ARE GETTING THOSE AWESOME SHEEP!
If you don't tell me, my obsessive need to possess and use rainbow sheep in my posts will TEAR ME TO SHREDS!

Have you no mercy?

http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/R1CH/Happy2.gif
Have fun.

On topic: This is great news. I am curious as to what the licensing fee is, though....
Jaedong and Hwaseung Oz fan.
ComusLoM
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Norway3547 Posts
May 09 2011 15:20 GMT
#268
Thank god.
"The White Woman Speaks in Tongues That Are All Lies" - Incontrol; Member #37 of the Chill Fanclub
ShadeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7535 Posts
May 09 2011 15:20 GMT
#269
The event would be a blowout. b-teamers and washed up legends dominate sc2.....zergbong will never beat jaedong in BW dude what are you saying lol? More appropriate question what are you smoking? i want some.
Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-09 15:21:16
May 09 2011 15:20 GMT
#270
On May 10 2011 00:00 chongu wrote:
Well, i'm hoping Boxer/nada/july still be able to participate in all-star events. And that OGN/MBC/KESPA and Gom all kiss and make up.


Those all-stars events are for Proleague players. Unless they rejoin their old BW teams, it doesn't make any sense for them to play in the PL/WL all-star event.


Well I guess the good news is that MBC won't be dissolving their BW team any time in the near future.
영원히 엠비씨게임 히어로 팬.
aike
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1629 Posts
May 09 2011 15:21 GMT
#271
lol leave it to GosuGamers to report this after teamliquid

Great that it's finally over! Hopefully this will help expand SC2 across korea!
Wahaha
Snipinpanda
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States1227 Posts
May 09 2011 15:21 GMT
#272
On May 10 2011 00:16 Ribbon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2011 00:07 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On May 10 2011 00:06 Ribbon wrote:
On May 10 2011 00:05 BLinD-RawR wrote:
ok happy times people no more BW vs SC2

[image loading][image loading][image loading][image loading]


Oh, dude. You just KNOW there's going to be a literal SC2 vs BW thing; some kind of GOM/Kespa BW/SC2 joint tournament. A lot of SC2 players are former brood war pros, right? Even as a publicity stunt, it'd be baller to see, say, Nada and Flash doing a pair of bo7s, one in BW, one in SC2.


not even in my worst nightmares,the event would be horribad.


I don't think so. Nada/Boxer/July are still pretty good. Sure, it would be predictable and mainly for novelty value, but it'd still be kind of neat.

On the other hand, if Flash beat Nada in SC2 or Nestea beat Jaedong in BW, the SC2 vs BW debates would be even more insufferable than they are now


There's no way Nada/Boxer/July/Nestea/MC/MVP can hold a candlelight to BW's best. If you look at Reach/Anytime, people who still practice BW and are on teams, you'll see exactly why.

There's also no way you'll convince any top BW player to practice SC2 seriously, since there's no point. Except for maybe Stork, but you gotta present it as a cellphone game.

In any case, such an event would be pretty pointless. I'll still be waiting for the official announcement, but I highly, highly doubt that OGN/MBC will embrace SC2 at all.

All I hope it means is that PL/OSL/MSL will still be going strong. I don't care much for the SC2 scene, as long as it doesn't affect our precious BW scene...
Archerofaiur
Profile Joined August 2008
United States4101 Posts
May 09 2011 15:22 GMT
#273
Woot!
http://sclegacy.com/news/28-scl/250-starcraftlegacy-macro-theorycrafting-contest-winners
Furycrab
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada456 Posts
May 09 2011 15:26 GMT
#274
On May 09 2011 23:45 Kipsate wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2011 23:41 Furycrab wrote:
YES so glad it's finally settled.


No argument there

I hope KeSPA doesn't ever broadcast or promote SC2 though, they will regret it.


What they end up doing is up to them, however they can't badmouth any Blizzard products or future endevours. Which mostly means now that they can't badmouth GOM or HotS, which to Blizzard is just as good as them promoting SC2.

"Interviewer: What do you think of HotS?

KeSPA: That is a Blizzard product... No comment."

I don't think anyone I've ever come across who watches and understands both BW and SC2 will ever say that the excitement SC2 brings about is anything worth comparing to BW's. That's probably also the same reason why some SC2ers, especially the very young ones make ridiculously uninformed comments about BW.


I can't comment on what younger SC2ers say, but I enjoy both scenes and while I'm not sure what gets me more excited, but I will say it's much easier to get excited about a good match I can watch live without waking up at 5am, in english, featuring international players. The BW scene is just never ever going to deliver in that department. So while I have tons of fun watching BW, I do get more excited when news of a good SC2 match is coming.

[


Thats personal preference, and part of the reason why people will never agree, I don't like waking up at 5 am more then you, but it is so worth it to me. I personally couldn't care less about ''foreigners'', I care about the best players most of them are Korean(a feat noone can deny), but I have no bias.
Also there hasn't been a really good english commentator who can deliver the same excitement as Klazart could for me(Watching SC2 with korean commentary is so much better for me btw). A problem with SCBW is that it is hard to understand for the casual person, the fact that it is commentated in Korean is amazing and fun for us(I mean, have you ever seen guys with so much passion?for a game?). However a new person does not understand korean, and does not really know what is going on in the game. Therefore he will have to delve back into older SCBW games, and that is simply not appeasing for him because the community does not watch it with him.

Its personal preference I suppose.

Also I find SCBW more appealing to the eye then SC2 for some reason keke(in most departments).(also personal preference).

Its not nostalgia,the game still exists, its not because I refuse to accept change, frankly I haven't been here very long on Teamliquid. I came here because of SC2 beta, and realized that the game was not what I was looking for, I started following BW again(I used to watch randomly on youtube, jon747/Violetak).

I don't dislike SC2 however:
For me , SC2 is a game, SCBW is a sport.


It certainly helps when you can speak the language. I don't feel limited, I'll still watch VODs and content in Korean. If anything it's pretty exciting to hear them yell out and you don't need to fully understand them (if the guy controlling the camera doesn't suck which usually he is excellent... Loved reading Hot_bids article on the art) to enjoy what is going on.

Where I'm seriously lacking is when it comes to interviews, post game commentary and content broadcasted in my timezone. Tl.net, translators and various writeups compensate and help a ton. So to me the BW scene will never be there, so to it's difficult to get excited about the future of BW.

To me chess is a game, but it doesn't make watching the Candidates tournament any less epic or difficult. Hockey is a game to me too, even though my favorite players could likely spotcheck me into oblivion. I just don't see how calling something a sport but not a game or vice-versa as being a good thing a good sport is both.

Personal opinion of course.



Too tired to come up with something witty.
Ribbon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5278 Posts
May 09 2011 15:27 GMT
#275
On May 10 2011 00:20 ShadeR wrote:
The event would be a blowout. b-teamers and washed up legends dominate sc2.....zergbong will never beat jaedong in BW dude what are you saying lol? More appropriate question what are you smoking? i want some.


And likewise, Flash wouldn't beat Nada in a fairly different game that Nada practices 12 hours a day and Flash doesn't. But if he did....ugh, the flamewars that'd result. The sheer possibility of the stars aligning like that turns me off the whole concept .
Megaliskuu
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5123 Posts
May 09 2011 15:28 GMT
#276
So this is a victory for BW right? I can celebrate..yes?

FUCK YEAH PROLEAGUE MSL OSL 4EVER.
|BW>Everything|Add me on star2 KR server TheMuTaL.675 for practice games :)|NEX clan| https://www.dotabuff.com/players/183104694
Snipinpanda
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States1227 Posts
May 09 2011 15:29 GMT
#277
On May 10 2011 00:27 Ribbon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2011 00:20 ShadeR wrote:
The event would be a blowout. b-teamers and washed up legends dominate sc2.....zergbong will never beat jaedong in BW dude what are you saying lol? More appropriate question what are you smoking? i want some.


And likewise, Flash wouldn't beat Nada in a fairly different game that Nada practices 12 hours a day and Flash doesn't. But if he did....ugh, the flamewars that'd result. The sheer possibility of the stars aligning like that turns me off the whole concept .


Flash is really really good.

Though to be quite honest, I'd send out forGG/Kwanro/Reality for an SC2 match...
ccHaZaRd
Profile Joined February 2009
Canada1024 Posts
May 09 2011 15:29 GMT
#278
On May 10 2011 00:28 Megaliskuu wrote:
So this is a victory for BW right? I can celebrate..yes?

FUCK YEAH PROLEAGUE MSL OSL 4EVER.


victory for everyone really, this was one of the better outcomes that could have happened
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51078 Posts
May 09 2011 15:30 GMT
#279
On May 10 2011 00:27 Ribbon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2011 00:20 ShadeR wrote:
The event would be a blowout. b-teamers and washed up legends dominate sc2.....zergbong will never beat jaedong in BW dude what are you saying lol? More appropriate question what are you smoking? i want some.


And likewise, Flash wouldn't beat Nada in a fairly different game that Nada practices 12 hours a day and Flash doesn't. But if he did....ugh, the flamewars that'd result. The sheer possibility of the stars aligning like that turns me off the whole concept .


nada does not practice 12 hours a day,he's got uni to attend.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
a176
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada6688 Posts
May 09 2011 15:30 GMT
#280
non-sdm link:

translation would be appreciated!

http://www.fomos.kr/board/board.php?mode=read&keyno=117180&db=issue&cate=&page=1&field=&kwrd=
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