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TheOnly92
Profile Joined September 2010
Malaysia804 Posts
May 09 2011 13:54 GMT
#181
I wonder why Blizzard is giving everyone such a tough time with something like this. Blizzard creates the game, it acts as a platform. It absorbs users and third parties which builds things on top of that platform and profit from them. Now consider this situation, Microsoft creates Windows, it acts as a platform. Third party developers (just like Blizzard) creates software/games that runs on top of it and they gain profit as well. Did Microsoft ever demand that the third party developers pay them just because they're profiting off the platform? Okay, you might have to pay for the Windows license, but that's it, isn't it?

I fail to see the reason Blizzard has been holding this for this long, it's totally reasonable for Kespa to take their current stance (I'm not quite sure what's going on between Kespa and MBC/OGN, please forgive me if I get this fact wrong).
Rodiel3
Profile Joined March 2011
France1158 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-09 13:55:04
May 09 2011 13:54 GMT
#182
[QUOTE]On May 09 2011 22:53 Rodiel2 wrote:
[QUOTE]On May 09 2011 22:52 Soloside wrote:
[QUOTE]On May 09 2011 21:26 Puosu wrote:
Hell, it's about time.

Overused, yes, but so very appropriate.[/QUOTE]

I would be careful! Maybe BLIZZARD will charge you for using that statement.[/QUOTE]

Haha :p
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eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
May 09 2011 13:54 GMT
#183
On May 09 2011 22:47 JustPassingBy wrote:
I don't know why people start to talk about sc2.
The agreement should be for starcraft 1 only,
considering gomtv has the exclusive rights for starcraft 2.

Some people are crossing their fingers and hoping that the agreement also gave out SC2 rights to OGN/MBC/KeSPA, which could potentially mean good things for the growth of the Korean SC2 scene.

Then again, it's perfectly fine if only BW rights were agreed upon in the agreement.
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AsianEcksDragon
Profile Joined March 2008
United States1036 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-09 13:57:13
May 09 2011 13:55 GMT
#184
You guys don't have to worry about BW pros moving on to SC2. I believe that 90% of them will switch after they become too old to compete against the newcomers. Even Flash and Jaedong will age and will likely follow in the footsteps of Nada and July. SC2 = the golf of e-sports.

BW is still doing well and SC2 is still a work in progress with 2 expansions to be released. There is no reason for KeSPA to deviate from what is working right now.
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Furycrab
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada456 Posts
May 09 2011 13:56 GMT
#185
On May 09 2011 22:42 Milkis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2011 22:40 Furycrab wrote:
On May 09 2011 22:19 Milkis wrote:
On May 09 2011 22:15 Krehlmar wrote:
No offence but in due time Korea will not be the e-gaming capital of the world, my thoughts is just that it has way to many stubborn BW fans/plaers that continue to make SC2 sound like it's "off" in Korea, whilst the rest of the world has realised that SC2 is the chance to make Esports big and thus it's gaining the support it is.


no offence but in due time the SC2 bubble will die and everything you thought was stable will disappear and the SC2 scene will be only a shell of what is around now. let me know if sc2 lasts 10 years, because it wont.



This the concensus in the Anti-SC2 writter scene? That just a few months before major reveals of SC2 next expansion Blizzard capitulated and resigned to giving the rights to broadcast Starcraft?

I don't pretend to know the exact terms of the deal they signed, but just from what the OP, it seems that Blizzard got everything they could want. I'd argue over this point, but since I believe that this can only be good for every party involved, so if SC2 haters believe Blizzard gave up, might not be a bad thing.


I don't represent "writers". I represent myself.

Considering Blizzard initiated contact with KeSPA to negotiate with OGN/MBC, who knows what the terms were.


You do know that just saying who was the first one to initiate contact can and may very well be a term of the contract? Blizzard showing good faith, KeSPA doesn't lose face.

Like I said, I'd argue on this, but really, this deal is good for everyone. So I'd just take it for face value, regardless of what content you prefer to watch.
Too tired to come up with something witty.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50123 Posts
May 09 2011 13:56 GMT
#186
On May 09 2011 22:54 eviltomahawk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2011 22:47 JustPassingBy wrote:
I don't know why people start to talk about sc2.
The agreement should be for starcraft 1 only,
considering gomtv has the exclusive rights for starcraft 2.

Some people are crossing their fingers and hoping that the agreement also gave out SC2 rights to OGN/MBC/KeSPA, which could potentially mean good things for the growth of the Korean SC2 scene.

Then again, it's perfectly fine if only BW rights were agreed upon in the agreement.


but it would be nice if they had shared rights for both games though,nice for growth,maybe MBC could actually make enough money from SC2 to finally hire stargirls.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
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tyCe
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia2542 Posts
May 09 2011 13:56 GMT
#187
On May 09 2011 22:51 Milkis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2011 22:45 DizzyDrone wrote:
On May 09 2011 22:37 Milkis wrote:
On May 09 2011 22:33 GTR wrote:
On May 09 2011 22:16 Milkis wrote:
On May 09 2011 22:07 Kreb wrote:
Oh, and isnt it a bit funny GOM gave back their SCBW broadcasting rights to Blizzard a few weeks ago? =)

This was probably coming already at that time, and since Blizz was coming to an agreement with ogn/mbc, GOM couldnt hold the rights anymore, so Blizz/GOM arranged a return of the rights to Blizz, who in turn now will allow ogn/mbc to broadcast. Maybe GOM having SCBW rights in the first place was probably just to scare ogn/mbc to agree on their demands?


It's more complicated than that, but it has more to do with Blizzard realizing that they can't compete in Korea any more and they don't have the manpower to handle it since half the blizzard korea members apparently left for another company among other things.


they apparently fired their head marketing guy after realising how much of a flop sc2's entry was into korea.


Yeah, that is DES speculation though, but it is true their head guy got demoted, but not sure about anything else.


That actually surprises me, I was under the impression that the lack of success for SC2 had more to do with people not being able to play SC2 in a PC Bang as easy as they can SC BW due to the BNET2 accounts.


No, it more has to do with not many people play RTSes seriously in Korea anymore. Most people just play MMOs nowadays. BW just ingrained itself before MMOs took over everything in Korea

That's correct. Most Koreans are playing MMO junk like Dungeon Fighter. In fact, half the world is playing MMO crap. Even Blizzard has said that SC2 was not worth it financially in an opportunity-cost sense, since an MMO with the same production time/cost would rake in far more. Sad times indeed.
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DropBear
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia4353 Posts
May 09 2011 13:57 GMT
#188
Excellent, maybe Musou and Grobyc won't get their streams shut down for no reason anymore!

Good to know everything is going strong.

The only problem now is what will GOMTV do? They signed a contract for those rights didn't they?
Sucker for nostalgia
alypse
Profile Joined May 2010
2771 Posts
May 09 2011 13:57 GMT
#189
Ahhh good news, good news
KT Violet 1988 - 2012
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50123 Posts
May 09 2011 13:58 GMT
#190
On May 09 2011 22:56 tyCe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2011 22:51 Milkis wrote:
On May 09 2011 22:45 DizzyDrone wrote:
On May 09 2011 22:37 Milkis wrote:
On May 09 2011 22:33 GTR wrote:
On May 09 2011 22:16 Milkis wrote:
On May 09 2011 22:07 Kreb wrote:
Oh, and isnt it a bit funny GOM gave back their SCBW broadcasting rights to Blizzard a few weeks ago? =)

This was probably coming already at that time, and since Blizz was coming to an agreement with ogn/mbc, GOM couldnt hold the rights anymore, so Blizz/GOM arranged a return of the rights to Blizz, who in turn now will allow ogn/mbc to broadcast. Maybe GOM having SCBW rights in the first place was probably just to scare ogn/mbc to agree on their demands?


It's more complicated than that, but it has more to do with Blizzard realizing that they can't compete in Korea any more and they don't have the manpower to handle it since half the blizzard korea members apparently left for another company among other things.


they apparently fired their head marketing guy after realising how much of a flop sc2's entry was into korea.


Yeah, that is DES speculation though, but it is true their head guy got demoted, but not sure about anything else.


That actually surprises me, I was under the impression that the lack of success for SC2 had more to do with people not being able to play SC2 in a PC Bang as easy as they can SC BW due to the BNET2 accounts.


No, it more has to do with not many people play RTSes seriously in Korea anymore. Most people just play MMOs nowadays. BW just ingrained itself before MMOs took over everything in Korea

That's correct. Most Koreans are playing MMO junk like Dungeon Fighter. In fact, half the world is playing MMO crap. Even Blizzard has said that SC2 was not worth it financially in an opportunity-cost sense, since an MMO with the same production time/cost would rake in far more. Sad times indeed.


it was actually Activision that said that SC2 was not worth it financially in an opportunity-cost sense


Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
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Weavel
Profile Joined January 2010
Finland9221 Posts
May 09 2011 13:58 GMT
#191
On May 09 2011 22:56 tyCe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2011 22:51 Milkis wrote:
On May 09 2011 22:45 DizzyDrone wrote:
On May 09 2011 22:37 Milkis wrote:
On May 09 2011 22:33 GTR wrote:
On May 09 2011 22:16 Milkis wrote:
On May 09 2011 22:07 Kreb wrote:
Oh, and isnt it a bit funny GOM gave back their SCBW broadcasting rights to Blizzard a few weeks ago? =)

This was probably coming already at that time, and since Blizz was coming to an agreement with ogn/mbc, GOM couldnt hold the rights anymore, so Blizz/GOM arranged a return of the rights to Blizz, who in turn now will allow ogn/mbc to broadcast. Maybe GOM having SCBW rights in the first place was probably just to scare ogn/mbc to agree on their demands?


It's more complicated than that, but it has more to do with Blizzard realizing that they can't compete in Korea any more and they don't have the manpower to handle it since half the blizzard korea members apparently left for another company among other things.


they apparently fired their head marketing guy after realising how much of a flop sc2's entry was into korea.


Yeah, that is DES speculation though, but it is true their head guy got demoted, but not sure about anything else.


That actually surprises me, I was under the impression that the lack of success for SC2 had more to do with people not being able to play SC2 in a PC Bang as easy as they can SC BW due to the BNET2 accounts.


No, it more has to do with not many people play RTSes seriously in Korea anymore. Most people just play MMOs nowadays. BW just ingrained itself before MMOs took over everything in Korea

That's correct. Most Koreans are playing MMO junk like Dungeon Fighter. In fact, half the world is playing MMO crap. Even Blizzard has said that SC2 was not worth it financially in an opportunity-cost sense, since an MMO with the same production time/cost would rake in far more. Sad times indeed.
Actually the guy who said that was from Activision not Blizzard.
Life/Seed//Mvp/NaNiwa fighting! ZeNEX forever!
kinray
Profile Joined September 2007
Bulgaria49 Posts
May 09 2011 13:59 GMT
#192
On May 09 2011 22:57 DropBear wrote:
Excellent, maybe Musou and Grobyc won't get their streams shut down for no reason anymore!

Good to know everything is going strong.

The only problem now is what will GOMTV do? They signed a contract for those rights didn't they?


To answer your last question. GOMTV returned the rights for sc:bw to Blizzard a few weeks ago.
eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-09 13:59:53
May 09 2011 13:59 GMT
#193
On May 09 2011 22:57 DropBear wrote:
Excellent, maybe Musou and Grobyc won't get their streams shut down for no reason anymore!

Good to know everything is going strong.

The only problem now is what will GOMTV do? They signed a contract for those rights didn't they?

GOM already gave up their rights to BW several weeks ago. They are only doing SC2 from now on.

edit: ^my post got sniped. Well played, good sir.
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MangoTango
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States3670 Posts
May 09 2011 13:59 GMT
#194
Yay!

YAYAYAYAYAYA this makes me so happy :D
"One fish, two fish, red fish, BLUE TANK!" - Artosis
Toads
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada1795 Posts
May 09 2011 13:59 GMT
#195
On May 09 2011 22:44 Weavel wrote:
Awesome news. Maybe Sc:bw and sc2 fans can finally live in peace without the stupid bw vs sc2 wars.

Waiting for an official statement of course...

Looking how this thread goes... i don't think so unfortunalely
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Aelonius
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Netherlands432 Posts
May 09 2011 13:59 GMT
#196
You know what bothers me most?

Every single pro-BW enthousiast is looking at the game as being superior in every way.
Claims of BW being bigger while in essence the game died outside Korea, save for TSL1/2 in past (before I knew about sc). So people are trying to compare a single country of 40 million inhabitants against the rest of the world with 6+ billion inhabitants.

Korea is one country, one small damn country. If the game doesn't hit on there as much, so be it. But the world is more than just "Korea" and "Broodwar".Get off your high horse and accept that people think different. Else you'll eventually turn the BW community into a bunch of less intelligent species.

And no, I didn't play BW. I do intend to play it later but I am tired of the arrogance and bullcrap.
''The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.''—Ronald Reagan
Shana
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Indonesia1814 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-09 14:00:51
May 09 2011 13:59 GMT
#197
On May 09 2011 22:57 DropBear wrote:
Excellent, maybe Musou and Grobyc won't get their streams shut down for no reason anymore!

Good to know everything is going strong.

The only problem now is what will GOMTV do? They signed a contract for those rights didn't they?


Gomtv have given back their rights over BW in Korea to blizzard

edit: sniped
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Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-09 14:00:54
May 09 2011 14:00 GMT
#198
Note: Just speculating atm

From a buisness standpoint of view this could be a good thing for Blizzard, remember that the BW infrastructure is already in place, if they get royalities, they get money and none of the production costs.

What they tried (as far as I know ) was to kill BW(fools) and broadcast SC2, that way they would have had marketting, full control of the scene and alot of cash due to the former.

This didn't go that well.
Right now I don't even know if the GSL is making money, frankly I wouldn't be suprised that it is losing money at the moment, good thing they have sponsors, but that is not the entire thing. The GSL production costs should be very high(the production quality is good, Kpop groups ain't cheap etc).

Now blizzard realizes that, they decided to take what they could(royalties) and step back.
WriterXiao8~~
Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-09 14:01:04
May 09 2011 14:00 GMT
#199
On May 09 2011 22:39 eight.BiT wrote:
*logs on iccup* 700 players..

Koreans don't play on Iccup.
Take a look @ Asia / US West / Brain / Fish etc...
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
Xkalibert
Profile Joined March 2010
United States1404 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-09 14:16:58
May 09 2011 14:01 GMT
#200
On May 09 2011 22:40 nihlon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2011 22:36 Milkis wrote:
On May 09 2011 22:25 nihlon wrote:
On May 09 2011 22:20 Legatus Lanius wrote:
On May 09 2011 22:15 Krehlmar wrote:
No offence but in due time Korea will not be the e-gaming capital of the world, my thoughts is just that it has way to many stubborn BW fans/plaers that continue to make SC2 sound like it's "off" in Korea, whilst the rest of the world has realised that SC2 is the chance to make Esports big and thus it's gaining the support it is.


no offence but you cant fault people for sticking with a better game. last i heard, broodwar is still alot more popular in korea than sc2 so its not really anyone being stubborn, its more like people being honest?

i dont care if red alert 2 became a global e sport with hundreds of teams and billions of dollars, id still watch brood war


People keep saying broodwar is a lot more popular but I've never seen people post where they get their sources (not that I've looked too much though). How and where do I find which games are more popular?


Here's a rough way of estimating.

TSL gets 50K viewers. Given that they have 50K viewers, let's say not everyone can watch it at the same time. I'll be generous, and say that there are 10x the number of people who can't catch it live, so 50K * 10x = 500K SC2 "esports" fans.

BW TV stations still gets like 0.7% ratings in Korea or something, much higher for bigger games (SKT vs KT matches regularly top ratings), and most of the scene is based on online watching. Given Korea's population of 40 mil that's still easily like 400K.


Ok thanks. Do you know the viewers for the gsl? Or do they not get released other than the vods?



In the recent GSL semifinal, Nestea vs Sc on Korean Gomtv.com got 405k views and Gomtv.net (english) get 125k views just on the vods alone. Which dIdn't include live viewership numbers.

source: http://ch.gomtv.com/450/28439/423112
http://www.gomtv.net/2011gslsponsors3/vod/65246
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