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On May 09 2011 22:40 Furycrab wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2011 22:19 Milkis wrote:On May 09 2011 22:15 Krehlmar wrote:
No offence but in due time Korea will not be the e-gaming capital of the world, my thoughts is just that it has way to many stubborn BW fans/plaers that continue to make SC2 sound like it's "off" in Korea, whilst the rest of the world has realised that SC2 is the chance to make Esports big and thus it's gaining the support it is. no offence but in due time the SC2 bubble will die and everything you thought was stable will disappear and the SC2 scene will be only a shell of what is around now. let me know if sc2 lasts 10 years, because it wont. This the concensus in the Anti-SC2 writter scene? That just a few months before major reveals of SC2 next expansion Blizzard capitulated and resigned to giving the rights to broadcast Starcraft? I don't pretend to know the exact terms of the deal they signed, but just from what the OP, it seems that Blizzard got everything they could want. I'd argue over this point, but since I believe that this can only be good for every party involved, so if SC2 haters believe Blizzard gave up, might not be a bad thing.
milkis is not against SC2,hes just not interested.Most TL writers are unbiased,hes not one of the biased.
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Awesome news. Maybe Sc:bw and sc2 fans can finally live in peace without the stupid bw vs sc2 wars.
Waiting for an official statement of course...
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Don't know if this has been answered, but if Kespa starts a new SC2 tournament, would it be comprising the same SC1 teams (just with different players?)?
What will happen to the current SC2 Korea teams?
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On May 09 2011 22:37 Milkis wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2011 22:33 GTR wrote:On May 09 2011 22:16 Milkis wrote:On May 09 2011 22:07 Kreb wrote:
Oh, and isnt it a bit funny GOM gave back their SCBW broadcasting rights to Blizzard a few weeks ago? =)
This was probably coming already at that time, and since Blizz was coming to an agreement with ogn/mbc, GOM couldnt hold the rights anymore, so Blizz/GOM arranged a return of the rights to Blizz, who in turn now will allow ogn/mbc to broadcast. Maybe GOM having SCBW rights in the first place was probably just to scare ogn/mbc to agree on their demands? It's more complicated than that, but it has more to do with Blizzard realizing that they can't compete in Korea any more and they don't have the manpower to handle it since half the blizzard korea members apparently left for another company among other things. they apparently fired their head marketing guy after realising how much of a flop sc2's entry was into korea. Yeah, that is DES speculation though, but it is true their head guy got demoted, but not sure about anything else.
That actually surprises me, I was under the impression that the lack of success for SC2 had more to do with people not being able to play SC2 in a PC Bang as easy as they can SC BW due to the BNET2 accounts.
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If this is true the only winner here is Blizzard because now KeSPA and all so called pro-sc:bw people will stop talking how bad sc2 is and will concentrate on sc:bw.
The sc:bw vs sc2 debate is useless it's the same as if you want to debate tennis vs table tennis, both are close but actually very different in the same time.
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That's just good for everyone. That doesn't mean that kespa or ogn will start broadcasting sc2 at all, it just means that the bw korean leagues will be able to live peacefully <3
And perhaps it will cease (I'm dreaming) the flames between bw and sc2 lovers, some bw fans "couldn't" like sc2 because that meant supporting blizzard's "attack" against OGN/MBC, now that argument is gone and it's cool for everyone.
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ALLEYCAT BLUES51078 Posts
On May 09 2011 22:45 kinray wrote:
If this is true the only winner here is Blizzard because now KeSPA and all so called pro-sc:bw people will stop talking how bad sc2 is and will concentrate on sc:bw.
The sc:bw vs sc2 debate is useless it's the same as if you want to debate tennis vs table tennis, both are close but actually very different in the same time.
uhh I fail to see how Blizzard is the winner.
there is no winner or loser,its just compromise.
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On May 09 2011 22:36 Milkis wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2011 22:25 nihlon wrote:On May 09 2011 22:20 Legatus Lanius wrote:On May 09 2011 22:15 Krehlmar wrote:
No offence but in due time Korea will not be the e-gaming capital of the world, my thoughts is just that it has way to many stubborn BW fans/plaers that continue to make SC2 sound like it's "off" in Korea, whilst the rest of the world has realised that SC2 is the chance to make Esports big and thus it's gaining the support it is. no offence but you cant fault people for sticking with a better game. last i heard, broodwar is still alot more popular in korea than sc2 so its not really anyone being stubborn, its more like people being honest? i dont care if red alert 2 became a global e sport with hundreds of teams and billions of dollars, id still watch brood war People keep saying broodwar is a lot more popular but I've never seen people post where they get their sources (not that I've looked too much though). How and where do I find which games are more popular? Here's a rough way of estimating. TSL gets 50K viewers. Given that they have 50K viewers, let's say not everyone can watch it at the same time. I'll be generous, and say that there are 10x the number of people who can't catch it live, so 50K * 10x = 500K SC2 "esports" fans. BW TV stations still gets like 0.7% ratings in Korea or something, much higher for bigger games (SKT vs KT matches regularly top ratings), and most of the scene is based on online watching. Given Korea's population of 40 mil that's still easily like 400K.
I think your figures are a bit low for SC2 esports fans. For example I can provide you with some stats for DH Invitational (This is only a small 1-day event on a Tuesday):
- 450 000 Unique viewers
- 85-90 000K viewers at the same time.
And add to that SC2 broke the record on Swedens largest newspaper regarding a live-stream. So the stats are a bit higher but of course BW is still the most dominant in Korea.
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I don't know why people start to talk about sc2.
The agreement should be for starcraft 1 only,
considering gomtv has the exclusive rights for starcraft 2.
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On May 09 2011 22:47 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2011 22:45 kinray wrote:
If this is true the only winner here is Blizzard because now KeSPA and all so called pro-sc:bw people will stop talking how bad sc2 is and will concentrate on sc:bw.
The sc:bw vs sc2 debate is useless it's the same as if you want to debate tennis vs table tennis, both are close but actually very different in the same time. uhh I fail to see how Blizzard is the winner. there is no winner or loser,its just compromise.
The winner as the side that will start to loose less over time from bad PR. And in fact they got what they wanted, KeSPA basically said: OK you have IP rights and we will pay you something for that.
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Wait, so does that mean BW will slowly come to a halt?
since OGN and MBC are allowed to do more than just BW now
 I follow sc2 but BW is still where my heart is
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Good for both game, now Blizzard have to truly fight for making a better esport game able to interrest Korean, hope they can do it.
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On May 09 2011 22:45 DizzyDrone wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2011 22:37 Milkis wrote:On May 09 2011 22:33 GTR wrote:On May 09 2011 22:16 Milkis wrote:On May 09 2011 22:07 Kreb wrote:
Oh, and isnt it a bit funny GOM gave back their SCBW broadcasting rights to Blizzard a few weeks ago? =)
This was probably coming already at that time, and since Blizz was coming to an agreement with ogn/mbc, GOM couldnt hold the rights anymore, so Blizz/GOM arranged a return of the rights to Blizz, who in turn now will allow ogn/mbc to broadcast. Maybe GOM having SCBW rights in the first place was probably just to scare ogn/mbc to agree on their demands? It's more complicated than that, but it has more to do with Blizzard realizing that they can't compete in Korea any more and they don't have the manpower to handle it since half the blizzard korea members apparently left for another company among other things. they apparently fired their head marketing guy after realising how much of a flop sc2's entry was into korea. Yeah, that is DES speculation though, but it is true their head guy got demoted, but not sure about anything else. That actually surprises me, I was under the impression that the lack of success for SC2 had more to do with people not being able to play SC2 in a PC Bang as easy as they can SC BW due to the BNET2 accounts.
No, it more has to do with not many people play RTSes seriously in Korea anymore. Most people just play MMOs nowadays. BW just ingrained itself before MMOs took over everything in Korea
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holy hell hell effin yeees! Long live BW and SC2 
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On May 09 2011 21:26 Puosu wrote:
Hell, it's about time.
Overused, yes, but so very appropriate.
I would be careful! Maybe BLIZZARD will charge you for using that statement.
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On May 09 2011 22:43 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2011 22:40 Furycrab wrote:On May 09 2011 22:19 Milkis wrote:On May 09 2011 22:15 Krehlmar wrote:
No offence but in due time Korea will not be the e-gaming capital of the world, my thoughts is just that it has way to many stubborn BW fans/plaers that continue to make SC2 sound like it's "off" in Korea, whilst the rest of the world has realised that SC2 is the chance to make Esports big and thus it's gaining the support it is. no offence but in due time the SC2 bubble will die and everything you thought was stable will disappear and the SC2 scene will be only a shell of what is around now. let me know if sc2 lasts 10 years, because it wont. This the concensus in the Anti-SC2 writter scene? That just a few months before major reveals of SC2 next expansion Blizzard capitulated and resigned to giving the rights to broadcast Starcraft? I don't pretend to know the exact terms of the deal they signed, but just from what the OP, it seems that Blizzard got everything they could want. I'd argue over this point, but since I believe that this can only be good for every party involved, so if SC2 haters believe Blizzard gave up, might not be a bad thing. milkis is not against SC2,hes just not interested.Most TL writers are unbiased,hes not one of the biased.
Milkis is biased. He just voiced an opinion, not a fact, so of course he is biased. In fact, he voiced his opinion as a fact, so that makes his statement even more biased.
It doesn't matter if SC2 is still big in 10 years (and it probably won't). The point is that it is opening up a potential RTS e-sports market internationally. It's currently the best game at achieving the excitement of BW mixed with the watchability of a game not made 10+ years ago.
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On May 09 2011 22:49 kinray wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2011 22:47 BLinD-RawR wrote:On May 09 2011 22:45 kinray wrote:
If this is true the only winner here is Blizzard because now KeSPA and all so called pro-sc:bw people will stop talking how bad sc2 is and will concentrate on sc:bw.
The sc:bw vs sc2 debate is useless it's the same as if you want to debate tennis vs table tennis, both are close but actually very different in the same time. uhh I fail to see how Blizzard is the winner. there is no winner or loser,its just compromise. The winner as the side that will start to loose less over time from bad PR. And in fact they got what they wanted, KeSPA basically said: OK you have IP rights and we will pay you something for that.
Blizzard realized that SC2 is failing so they had to end this so that they could still squeeze money from BW.
exactly why I said compromise,there are never winners and losers in things of this magnitude.
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The entire dispute was handled very poorly. Congrats on settling stuff and hopefully this is the last we'll hear from Blizzard causing commotion in the BW pro scene (hardly). I guess this buys us at least one more year of SPL and individual leagues. I'm happy with that for now
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On May 09 2011 22:52 Soloside wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2011 21:26 Puosu wrote:
Hell, it's about time.
Overused, yes, but so very appropriate. I would be careful! Maybe BLIZZARD will charge you for using that statement.
Haha :p
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