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disqMt
Profile Joined May 2011
4 Posts
May 02 2011 00:01 GMT
#41
Hey can anyone help me out? I just got Starcraft BW, and i am having a hard time figuring out how to 1v1. All i see is custom games. How do i ladder?
infinity2k9
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom2397 Posts
May 02 2011 00:10 GMT
#42
Are you talking about Bnet? Cause there's no official ladder anymore. You need to go to iccup.com and install their software and make an account to play on a ladder that everyone else does.

If you're totally new though i suggest playing through the SP, and playing some games against CPU on iccup maps to get used to the game first. With no matchmaking most people on the ladder are going to be decent at the game and looking to win so it won't be much fun starting out unless you play the game quite a bit first.
Xenocide_Knight
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Korea (South)2625 Posts
May 02 2011 00:20 GMT
#43
Play through the campaign!
A lot of people say that it will give you bad habits but it's tons of fun and will get you aquainted with all of the units/races. Unless you've already done that in which case just watch progames and find friends to play with. Op Teamliquid usually has a some people chillin in it. (most are afk though).

On May 02 2011 09:01 disqMt wrote:
Hey can anyone help me out? I just got Starcraft BW, and i am having a hard time figuring out how to 1v1. All i see is custom games. How do i ladder?


If you are talking about iCCup, you want to go under the "one vs one" tab or the "top vs bottom" tabs. Those are the ranked games.
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infinity2k9
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom2397 Posts
May 02 2011 00:21 GMT
#44
The campaign is like a big tutorial for all the units so definitely wise to play through it.
MageKirby
Profile Joined July 2009
United States535 Posts
May 02 2011 00:32 GMT
#45
Please DO play the campaign. You just started, have some fun. And then after you get better, one day you'll go back to campaign and remember how hard it was for you the first time. Refrain from cheating.

Also, when any of my friends wanna start StarCraft, I always start them off with protoss, even if they want to learn zerg or terran. Protoss is easier to handle from start due to it's less micro intensive and more durable units, and by slowly learning ProtossvsDesiredRace, you learn some in's and out's of the game. After you are somewhat comfortable with the game, then you can move to the race you want.
funnybananaman
Profile Joined April 2009
United States830 Posts
May 02 2011 01:44 GMT
#46
Id suggest starting to watch proleague/MSL/OSL vods on youtube, maybe some with commentary too so you can hear some basic level explanation of what's going on. Then read liquipedia for strategies, but seeing them in action in vods will give you a decent feel of how each matchup typically goes.
kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
May 02 2011 07:10 GMT
#47
commentary is good for starting out.

also if you can, watch proleague streams with chat, you learn a bit since it's more like live commentary and most people are pretty educated when they watch.

most people.
_Quasar_
Profile Joined October 2010
Russian Federation4405 Posts
May 02 2011 07:57 GMT
#48
Besides BNet (where there's REALLY hard to find a game), and ICCup (that might be hard for newbies) there are also 2 options that I know...

- Podolsk server. It's a russian server that's joked about in russian community (like, if u play bad, they call you "podolsk noob" XDDDD ). That's an exaggeration, but yeah, there's much lower level than on Iccup. You can get your first 1v1 win there

- Garena. Need to install garena launcher, then enter garena system, choose the room, run the game and play in the menu option of "UDP game" (as Garena emulates LAN). Probably the place with the lowest skill of players, not all have even 1.16.1 version... so there're probably many people like you, who just started SC or play veeery casually. If you want to have fun with just your present level, you can go there
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Requisition
Profile Joined April 2010
United States97 Posts
May 02 2011 15:27 GMT
#49
Thanks for that info, Quasar. What do I need to do to connect to the Podolsk server?
kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
May 03 2011 03:31 GMT
#50
ooh low skill players, does that mean i can finally win?

i quit because i went 11-42 on iccup 2 years ago, and i think all my wins were against D- players or TvTs.

also i think my TvZ record was like 1-18, with my lone win coming off a guy who did 1 hatch lurkers.

i really would love a place where i can relax and play BW without having to practice build orders and building placement for weeks, just to eke out a win. then i can finally kiss SC2 goodbye.
BYAHH
Profile Joined November 2010
United States20 Posts
May 03 2011 04:38 GMT
#51
Regarding playing "full screen" with windowed mode, I lower the resolution of my monitor while letting it stretch so that the game is actually bigger. I find it easier to control everything when the screen is larger, even if it is stretched out and weird and everything. Personaly I switch it to 800x600 - it almost feels like full screen to me.

But getting good at bw? It takes a lot of deep thought and understanding. Once you have a build order figured out and everything and you think you know a lot from all the pro VODs you have watched, don't ever forget to watch your own replays - especially the games you lost. Sometimes why you lost may be very apparant (i.e. vs some sort of cheese you didn't scout) but it's still important to confirm why you lost and reflect on what you should have done, given the limited information you had.

You should also make sure you understand what your goal is whenever you play. When you learn a BO, usually there's some sort of goal behind it - whether it is to set you up for a big late game or some sort of timing push. I think Ver may have mentioned this in his guide to get better, but you should watch pro vods and stop the video at crucial moments and guess what the player is going to do. Then you unpause and see if he did what you thought he'd do, and then think about why. Making the correct decisions is make or break when you're trying to win games on iccup.
Flash, Sea[Shield], BaBy, Light -- Terran ftw!
Coraz
Profile Joined May 2010
United States252 Posts
May 03 2011 04:44 GMT
#52
On May 01 2011 03:29 maybenexttime wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/vods/
http://www.youtube.com/user/nevake
http://sc.plu.cn/vod/

;]


Hi!!!

How do I navigate the chinese site? when I click on a VOD i get a black flash applet and nothing loads. Do I need an account to view vods?
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.AK
Profile Joined September 2010
United States561 Posts
May 03 2011 04:55 GMT
#53
The biggest problem I have when I want to play is that there are very little D-/Low D games going on. I don't mind getting my ass handed to me once in a while but if I want to ladder for and extended period of time I just get discouraged. Plus most Ds will kick or cheese D-. Any suggestions?
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knyttym
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States5797 Posts
May 03 2011 05:04 GMT
#54
Do you want to play casually and win some of the time? Choose protoss

Learning terran is like smashing your head against a brick wall in hopes that the wall will crumble. About a month in your head will harden ever so slightly. A year in, you develop a helmet. But the pain.... the pain is always present. *Flashback to all those DT drops*

Seriously though, build refinement is absolutely key. Executing a simple build order is going to be harder then you first anticipate. Terran at low ranks is all about defending the gimmick whether it be bulldog, DT drop, or 2 hatch lurkers.
Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-03 05:26:52
May 03 2011 05:24 GMT
#55
On May 01 2011 05:32 IntoTheheart wrote:
I'm not sure if anyone else's said this,but units are really really REALLY stupid in BW. In SC2 they're not as bad so they'll move wherever you need them to without extra clicks, but BW units don't have this intelligence. Also, tanks/lurkers/units in general won't have the smart-fire which means that they'll focus-fire everything.

If it's been said before, I'm really sorry, haha. Just bear that in mind.


The thing is with sc2 players they want everything to be automated in terms of micro and macro that they only want to make decision how damn boring if i can't control my unit and my units will just micro themselves out of battle and not user dependent probably for you guys they are smart and because of that the players get lazy he doesn't watch his unit properly he just 1a2a and gg compared to broodwar you have to babysit unit and macro at the same time . . Bw is much more lively compared to boring sc2 unit which has no live or any interesting skill. Seriously that is my opinion with units so bland every time i watch a sc2 game i fall asleep.
BW/KT Forever R.I.P KT.Violet dearly missed ..
buhhy
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1113 Posts
May 03 2011 07:21 GMT
#56
On May 03 2011 13:44 Coraz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2011 03:29 maybenexttime wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/vods/
http://www.youtube.com/user/nevake
http://sc.plu.cn/vod/

;]


Hi!!!

How do I navigate the chinese site? when I click on a VOD i get a black flash applet and nothing loads. Do I need an account to view vods?


You don't need an account. It should load though, is noscript blocking the flash player or something?
Requisition
Profile Joined April 2010
United States97 Posts
May 03 2011 21:26 GMT
#57
On May 03 2011 14:04 kNyTTyM wrote:
Do you want to play casually and win some of the time? Choose protoss

Learning terran is like smashing your head against a brick wall in hopes that the wall will crumble. About a month in your head will harden ever so slightly. A year in, you develop a helmet. But the pain.... the pain is always present. *Flashback to all those DT drops*

Seriously though, build refinement is absolutely key. Executing a simple build order is going to be harder then you first anticipate. Terran at low ranks is all about defending the gimmick whether it be bulldog, DT drop, or 2 hatch lurkers.


Any gimmicks to fear from my fellow Terrans?
aimaimaim
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Philippines2167 Posts
May 03 2011 22:53 GMT
#58
When I started following BW back in 2007, The only ones I know were Bisu and Savior (Boxer, Yellow, Nalra, Reach, oov, Nada, July. I already had an idea who these guys were, That was a given if you follow Dota/WC3 in gg.net). Studied everything about their series and read the comments.

Thats the 1st time I became addicted to BW and stopped following Dota and WC3. :D
Religion is a dying idea .. || 'E-sport' outside Korea are nerds who wants to feel like rockstars. || I'm not gonna fuck with trolls on General Forum ever again .. FUCK!
Requisition
Profile Joined April 2010
United States97 Posts
May 06 2011 23:33 GMT
#59
aimaimaim, do you have any recommendations of progames that helped you get into BW?
Snipinpanda
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States1227 Posts
May 07 2011 00:00 GMT
#60
On May 07 2011 08:33 Requisition wrote:
aimaimaim, do you have any recommendations of progames that helped you get into BW?


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=190074
are all very good games.

If you want want english commentated games, there should be vods on the gomtv site of gom classic? Also I believe nukethestars on youtube does them,or if back in 2007-08 there were also a bunch.
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