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Magus
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada450 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-30 20:10:24
April 30 2011 20:09 GMT
#21
On April 30 2011 22:27 ninini wrote:
Most of the Iccup D- players would beat 2 complete newbies at a 1v2.

I won a 1v5 semi-complete newbies at the same time at D-... /brag.

Okay but to prevent this from being a useless post, definitely go learn the units, learn some builds, and find some people to play against who don't make you want to ragequit life.
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
April 30 2011 20:32 GMT
#22
I'm not sure if anyone else's said this,but units are really really REALLY stupid in BW. In SC2 they're not as bad so they'll move wherever you need them to without extra clicks, but BW units don't have this intelligence. Also, tanks/lurkers/units in general won't have the smart-fire which means that they'll focus-fire everything.

If it's been said before, I'm really sorry, haha. Just bear that in mind.
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Armathai
Profile Joined October 2007
1023 Posts
April 30 2011 21:22 GMT
#23
Hey! Glad to see someone trying out broodwar melee, it's definitely more challenging but also more rewarding than other games out there. I really don't suggest you go on iccup/BO learning mode. While this technically is the fastest way to improve, for most people it just turns them off from the game, unless you really want a set BO to practice so you have something to rely on. Generally you first want to try and find some people around your level to practice with, and as you progress with them you can incorporate build orders and more advanced things into your gameplay.

Since you mentioned you liked UMS maps and had played them before, there are quite a few micro/macro training maps out there that will help you improve, although nothing replaces playing against real opponents.
https://rapidshare.com/files/459991897/training-terran.scx <- Micro Training Map (mixed tvz,tvp)
https://rapidshare.com/files/459991918/tvsp.scx <-Macro Training Map (TvP)
(sorry for rapidshare, megaupload not working at university >_<)
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Djagulingu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany3605 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-30 22:15:48
April 30 2011 22:14 GMT
#24
1- Uninstall sc2.
2- Read Ver's how to improve guide, which is this.
3- Do what he says.

EDIT: And you even play Terran. You need this guide, only this guide and nothing but this guide.
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Muff2n
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United Kingdom250 Posts
April 30 2011 22:25 GMT
#25
1. Find a long term economy oriented build order. I dont care how old it is, at D level its your macro not your strat that counts. Get the BO good to around food 40 before you play on iccup. Stylish has some ok builds that you should check out and he gives decent advice (ie. how to stop 4 pool).

Practice the minimum number of maps. How you layout your base is important and you need to be familiar with your base layouts.

If you are set on playing terran, I suggest you scout well after starting your rax and then with a 2nd scout if on a 4p map and he isnt at the 1st place. I would also always start your rax on 10. This is a small economic consession, but rine micro is HARD. As you get more confident holding off cheese rushes you can then move back the scouting and place the rax on 11.
Example builds I would suggest:
TvP siege expand with enough rines that you dont need to wall (so keep making rines till you notice he hasnt 2 gated or something). I wasted time learning to wall as a novice and I wish I had just learned how to macro better instead of losing billions of games cos my wall was not zeal proof etc. But then again my brain is retarded at stuff like that and you might not have my problems!
TvZ 2 rax expand then later 1 rax expand when you get better. Bio is hard but I think you have to start learning it.
TvT 1 fact expand into 5 facts (academy and armoury at appropriate timings of course)

Dont mess about with drops or anything till you can macro well enough.

GL hf oh and if you can constantly produce workers, that is the key. Its surprising the number of people who can't do that even at higher levels.
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8778 Posts
April 30 2011 22:40 GMT
#26
1. go liquipedia and learn your builds. i mean pretty much all of the standard builds and their timings and little details such as how many workers on gas
its pretty hard for a noob but knowing builds is a must if you want to improve
2. practice against computers
get your mechanics up to scratch...test out your hotkeys etc and get used to the game
3. find custom ai
get better ai versions where they start off with more money or something or they use similar builds to pros. helps you improve macro and game sense a LOT
4. find a friend who you can play against a lot and you have a chance of winning. its better if hes better than you...since he can teach you along the way etc
5. iccup
the worst place to go to to improve if youre a noob. i suggest only using iccup to improve once you have all the fundamentals down and just need to improve decision making/apm
ninini
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden1204 Posts
May 01 2011 12:22 GMT
#27
On May 01 2011 07:25 Muff2n wrote:
TvZ 2 rax expand then later 1 rax expand when you get better. Bio is hard but I think you have to start learning it.


I would not recommend 2 rax expand. It's a terrible build that won't help you against pool first pressure, and will only help slightly against mass speedlings, which is easy to defend with 1 rax expand anyway. All you need is a scv at their natural, to scout for aggression, and then you just have to act accordingly. The key to defending against zerglings is not marine count, but rather to keep your marines alive. Against pool first builds, SCV's and sim city are your friend. 4 marines will lose to 6 lings if you don't control them, but 1 marine can also survive 6 lings if you back him up. 2 rax expand is also terrible against 3 hatch muta, which is the most common build in ZvT.
The only reason why anyone would want to do 2 rax expand is if they want to put on early pressure themselves, but this won't work if you're a beginner, since it will be very hard not to suicide your marines, and even if you do some good damage, you wouldn't know how to transition into midgame. It might be a fun aggressive build to do if you're two noobs playing eachother, but for learning purposes it's a bad idea.
Rodiel3
Profile Joined March 2011
France1158 Posts
May 01 2011 12:31 GMT
#28
Its pretty useless to learn BO if u start the game, go play lot of fast money game to improve ur understanding of the game and have a real fun, then when u feel it and being able to move a 200/200 army all arround the map u can start real game and ICCUP, before its suicide and pretty uselesss i guess
http://www.youtube.com/user/rodiel3 SCBW FPVOD
quirinus
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Croatia2489 Posts
May 01 2011 12:44 GMT
#29
You can always watch some vods, like these ones:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=190074

Or use the search function to find similar blogs/threads, because there's plenty of them.
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_Quasar_
Profile Joined October 2010
Russian Federation4405 Posts
May 01 2011 13:28 GMT
#30
6. And tell all your friends how cool SC:BW is!
For the Swarm!!! Jaedong & Neo_G.Soulkey fan.
Skew
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States1019 Posts
May 01 2011 13:41 GMT
#31
Find some friends who want to get better and stay up all night watching rep packs of NaDa and Flash. Nothing better.
XenOsky
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Chile2298 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-01 14:41:01
May 01 2011 14:35 GMT
#32
download a rep pack or a few reps of FlaSh TvP, watch his build order, then his trends (for instance, scan always the same position or go out with the 1st 2 vultures after, speed... w/e) then work your assoff to improve your macro...

1 month after

Download a rep pack or fre reps of FlaSh TvZ, watch his build order, then his trends, then work your assoff to improve your macro

1 month after that

Download a rep pack or few reps of FlaSh TvT, watch his build order, then his trends, then work your ass off to improve your macro...

1 month after that you are a C- player

+ Show Spoiler +
meanwhile, you are making friends and all the good stuff


edit: not Necessarily you have to do it by periods of months, it can be a week or even a day of pure TvP, or TvZ training ... the point that im trying to make here is consistent and organized training...
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Requisition
Profile Joined April 2010
United States97 Posts
May 01 2011 22:20 GMT
#33
Thanks for the advice guys. I was going to post a replay of me versus the AI to show about where my skill level at, but they've been pretty embarrassing so far. My biggest issue is the hotkeys. I use to use them all up in SC2 and you need so much more in BW. Can you bind things to function keys? I tried, but it didn't work. F2, for example, always brought me to my command center no master what.
maybenexttime
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Poland5712 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-01 22:27:52
May 01 2011 22:24 GMT
#34
It's shift+F2/3/4. You probably used crtl+F2/3/4. You bind locations on the map that way (e.g. your production structures and enemy's natural when you're containing him). You can use F keys to change rally points easily like this:

Taekwon
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8155 Posts
May 01 2011 22:25 GMT
#35
It's a long hard road, gl!
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synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
May 01 2011 22:32 GMT
#36
Try to find someone to teach you the basics, then practice build orders over and over, then try ICCup.

That's how my BW days went
:)
phosphorylation
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2935 Posts
May 01 2011 22:32 GMT
#37
i want to reemphasize
bw, as great as it is, is still a game
so you should try to have fun while learning it and not make it a chore

whether that means to play silly UMS games, silly 1v5 games against noobs, whatever
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Kznn
Profile Joined March 2011
Brazil9072 Posts
May 01 2011 22:32 GMT
#38
I guess picking a favorite player is a very good thing to do. Just follow him, try to copy his style, his build orders, etc. Go online, play some games on iccup and get used to lose a lot. But the most important thing is to get friends to play with you. This game is so much more amazing when you are competing with friends. Have fun, this game is amazing
Requisition
Profile Joined April 2010
United States97 Posts
May 01 2011 23:37 GMT
#39
On May 02 2011 07:24 maybenexttime wrote:
It's shift+F2/3/4. You probably used crtl+F2/3/4. You bind locations on the map that way (e.g. your production structures and enemy's natural when you're containing him). You can use F keys to change rally points easily like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e18ancDxBUE


Haha, you are exactly right, thank you!

On May 02 2011 07:32 Kznn wrote:
I guess picking a favorite player is a very good thing to do. Just follow him, try to copy his style, his build orders, etc. Go online, play some games on iccup and get used to lose a lot. But the most important thing is to get friends to play with you. This game is so much more amazing when you are competing with friends. Have fun, this game is amazing


I like Flash, but it somehow feels lame to be a fan of the top dog.
d_so
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Korea (South)3262 Posts
May 01 2011 23:48 GMT
#40
take your ego, crush it in and hide it underneath the sofa. Don't expect to see it again for a year or so. That is the first step in learning BW
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