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Mumei
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States254 Posts
November 24 2010 07:34 GMT
#41
So, 134 - 72 for Flash and 138 - 98 for Jaedong against people in the current top 20. And a large percentage of their losses come from each other and Bisu/Stork.
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17254 Posts
November 24 2010 07:49 GMT
#42
I'm not sure if Savior should be listed as bonjwa any more. After all, all of his titles were revoked after the match-fixing scandal.
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
Gummy
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States2180 Posts
November 24 2010 08:10 GMT
#43
On November 24 2010 16:49 Manit0u wrote:
I'm not sure if Savior should be listed as bonjwa any more. After all, all of his titles were revoked after the match-fixing scandal.

Who's savior? I've never heard of this guy before. Was he a major progamer?
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ There are three kinds of people in the world: those who can count and those who can't.
CakeOrI)eath
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States327 Posts
November 24 2010 08:56 GMT
#44
I'm really surprised Flash is only 12-9 vs Bisu. I've always considered PvT to be Bisu's worst match-up by far and yet he still holds a 43% winrate vs the best Terran in the world. Pretty good considering Flash stomps every other P besides Stork and Best.
Opportunities multiply as they are seized.
OpticalShot
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada6330 Posts
November 24 2010 09:03 GMT
#45
Stork's +1 vs. JD is from that awesome in-your-face-gateways game, YEAHH!
[TLMS] REBOOT
nerium
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Philippines512 Posts
November 24 2010 09:59 GMT
#46
On November 24 2010 16:49 Manit0u wrote:
I'm not sure if Savior should be listed as bonjwa any more. After all, all of his titles were revoked after the match-fixing scandal.


Yeah it was revoked, but you can't deny his dominance at that time and it will never be forgotten. After all, the term bonjwa is made because of him.
Lulz is a corrupted version of LOL
lastreason
Profile Joined May 2010
Romania250 Posts
November 24 2010 11:06 GMT
#47
hihihi stork is the best player vs flash , gogo dinotoss you're the only one who can beat flash
Guybrush
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Spain4744 Posts
November 24 2010 11:23 GMT
#48
Good job Ampleaf!

Flash has losing record to these guys (standard leagues only)

(T)Flash vs:

(P)Stork
(T)UpMaGiC
(Z)YellOw[ArnC]
(P)HerO_V_
(P)TesteR
(T)sKyHigh
(P)M18M

Flash record 22.11.2010

Some are only one game but others are more like Stork, UpMagic, Yarnc and Skyhigh. Also many of these are retired now so he cant "redeem" himself . Anyways quite impressive.
Live2Win is awesome. Happy new year scarabi!
Taekwon
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8155 Posts
November 24 2010 12:36 GMT
#49
Seeing how my previous post was refuted, lemme rephrase. Although Flash may have losing records to some progamers, I think Skyhigh is the only one who has a legitimate shot at maintaining a winning record against Flash should they face each other. His TvT is just too awesome.
▲ ▲ ▲
Black Gun
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Germany4482 Posts
November 24 2010 22:06 GMT
#50
On November 24 2010 21:36 Taekwon wrote:
Seeing how my previous post was refuted, lemme rephrase. Although Flash may have losing records to some progamers, I think Skyhigh is the only one who has a legitimate shot at maintaining a winning record against Flash should they face each other. His TvT is just too awesome.

flashs tvt also is godlike when he is in good form. 4 games are not quite a reliable sample size.... i think he and flash would go about 50:50 in the long run....

"What am I supposed to do against this?" - "Lose!" :-]
okum
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
France5778 Posts
November 24 2010 22:09 GMT
#51
On November 25 2010 07:06 Black Gun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2010 21:36 Taekwon wrote:
Seeing how my previous post was refuted, lemme rephrase. Although Flash may have losing records to some progamers, I think Skyhigh is the only one who has a legitimate shot at maintaining a winning record against Flash should they face each other. His TvT is just too awesome.

flashs tvt also is godlike when he is in good form. 4 games are not quite a reliable sample size.... i think he and flash would go about 50:50 in the long run....

If they have to play a Bo101 and it gets dead even, Flash will just offrace as protoss and win.
Flash fan before it was cool | Coiner of "jangbang"
Crisium
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1618 Posts
November 24 2010 22:33 GMT
#52
Nice stat collection! I love this stuff, keep it up.
Broodwar and Stork forever! List of BW players with most Ro16, Ro8: http://tinyurl.com/BWRo16-Ro8
Black Gun
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Germany4482 Posts
November 24 2010 22:43 GMT
#53
On November 25 2010 07:09 okum wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2010 07:06 Black Gun wrote:
On November 24 2010 21:36 Taekwon wrote:
Seeing how my previous post was refuted, lemme rephrase. Although Flash may have losing records to some progamers, I think Skyhigh is the only one who has a legitimate shot at maintaining a winning record against Flash should they face each other. His TvT is just too awesome.

flashs tvt also is godlike when he is in good form. 4 games are not quite a reliable sample size.... i think he and flash would go about 50:50 in the long run....

If they have to play a Bo101 and it gets dead even, Flash will just offrace as protoss and win.

loooool.

i think ive heard that flashs offrace protoss is really really strong... like... low A-teamer level.... which would be easily enough to beat skyhigh....^^
"What am I supposed to do against this?" - "Lose!" :-]
ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
November 24 2010 23:40 GMT
#54
On November 25 2010 07:43 Black Gun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2010 07:09 okum wrote:
On November 25 2010 07:06 Black Gun wrote:
On November 24 2010 21:36 Taekwon wrote:
Seeing how my previous post was refuted, lemme rephrase. Although Flash may have losing records to some progamers, I think Skyhigh is the only one who has a legitimate shot at maintaining a winning record against Flash should they face each other. His TvT is just too awesome.

flashs tvt also is godlike when he is in good form. 4 games are not quite a reliable sample size.... i think he and flash would go about 50:50 in the long run....

If they have to play a Bo101 and it gets dead even, Flash will just offrace as protoss and win.

loooool.

i think ive heard that flashs offrace protoss is really really strong... like... low A-teamer level.... which would be easily enough to beat skyhigh....^^

I remember him totally wrecking Best's T in an offrace showmatch lol
Writerptrk
Black Gun
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Germany4482 Posts
November 24 2010 23:54 GMT
#55
On November 25 2010 08:40 ArvickHero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2010 07:43 Black Gun wrote:
On November 25 2010 07:09 okum wrote:
On November 25 2010 07:06 Black Gun wrote:
On November 24 2010 21:36 Taekwon wrote:
Seeing how my previous post was refuted, lemme rephrase. Although Flash may have losing records to some progamers, I think Skyhigh is the only one who has a legitimate shot at maintaining a winning record against Flash should they face each other. His TvT is just too awesome.

flashs tvt also is godlike when he is in good form. 4 games are not quite a reliable sample size.... i think he and flash would go about 50:50 in the long run....

If they have to play a Bo101 and it gets dead even, Flash will just offrace as protoss and win.

loooool.

i think ive heard that flashs offrace protoss is really really strong... like... low A-teamer level.... which would be easily enough to beat skyhigh....^^

I remember him totally wrecking Best's T in an offrace showmatch lol



well, i dont think bests T is very good. best has a playstyle of throwing units at the opponent, which is pretty much the worst thing u can do as T in tvp....
"What am I supposed to do against this?" - "Lose!" :-]
wswordsmen
Profile Joined October 2007
United States987 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-25 00:12:40
November 25 2010 00:05 GMT
#56
On November 24 2010 17:10 Gummy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2010 16:49 Manit0u wrote:
I'm not sure if Savior should be listed as bonjwa any more. After all, all of his titles were revoked after the match-fixing scandal.

Who's savior? I've never heard of this guy before. Was he a major progamer?

We don't talk about savior.

+ Show Spoiler +
Savior is/was a zerg who managed to make it to 5 MSL finals in a row (won 3) and won an OSL he is/was considered the 4th bonjwa. The 5th MSL finals he made it to he was expected to stomp the then unknown Bisu into the ground, but ended up losing 0-3 to the then revolutionary Bisu build.

The reason you never heard of him is because he was involved with a game fixing scandal and had his titles taken from him, that and he didn't play to well for the last couple years (with a couple of exceptional periods).

Hopefully you get the joke now.
ccHaZaRd
Profile Joined February 2009
Canada1024 Posts
November 25 2010 00:06 GMT
#57
man flash and jaedong are literally untouchable
deafhobbit
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States828 Posts
November 25 2010 00:59 GMT
#58
On November 24 2010 09:54 Black Gun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2010 09:53 amarillo wrote:
On November 24 2010 07:35 revy wrote:
Good stuff but how on earth could you leave out Boxer v Yellow. It's probably a horribly uneven head to head but its just so important.


Actually:

BoxeR's map record vs. YellOw (all competitions): 33 wins - 31 losses (51.56%)
BoxeR's map record vs. YellOw (individual competitions): 28 wins - 26 losses (51.85%)


yea, basically boxer was owning yellow at all the "official/important" events like osl, msl and so on, while yellow was owning boxer at the "inofficial/fun" events.


I've always thought that a lot of it has to do with Yellow aging better than Boxer. He just seems to have adapted far better to modern play, and still is in good enough condition to execute it. So far, he's 7-11(38%) in 2010, with wins against Jaedong, Leta, and Calm. With his age and limited practice time on Ace, that's a solid record, and he could probably get back up to 45 to 50% once he leaves Ace if he wanted too.
I cheer for underdogs and Flash
zobz
Profile Joined November 2005
Canada2175 Posts
November 25 2010 01:46 GMT
#59
(Z)great (P)Stats (T)Ty
"That's not gonna be good for business." "That's not gonna be good for anybody."
Guybrush
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Spain4744 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-25 18:20:43
November 25 2010 17:01 GMT
#60
Did the same with Jaedong and Bisu as with Flash in the post above just for fun

(Z)Jaedong losing rec vs (standard leagues only) :

(P)TesteR
(T)Casy
(T)Silent_Control
(P)free[gm]
(T)Sheis
(P)Stork
(T)Flash
(P)Rock
(Z)815
(T)Freedom
(T)FrOzen
(P)BackHo
(T)fOrGG
(P)Tempest
(T)firebathero
(Z)Orion
(Z)s2

Jaedong record 24.11.2010

(P)Bisu losing rec vs (standard leagues only) :

(Z)s.s.m~[Silver]
(Z)Rumble
(T)Goodfriend
(T)fOrGG
(P)RainBOw
(T)Casy
(T)Flash
(T)ChRh
(P)Stork
(T)iloveoov
(Z)ZerO
(P)Chalrenge
(T)Memory
(Z)by.hero
(P)GuemChi
(T)Fantasy
(P)Violet
(T)go.go
(P)SeCret
(T)Bogus
(Z)Killer
(Z)Juni
(P)Tempest
(P)Kal
(P)Stats

Bisu record 24.11.2010

Fun facts:
(P)TesteR has a winning record vs both (T)Flash and (Z)Jaedong.
(P)Stork has a winning record vs (T)Flash, (Z)Jaedong and (P)Bisu. (mentioned in the thread already)
(T)Casy, (T)fOrGG (T)Flash and (P)Tempest have winning records vs both (Z)Jaedong and (P)Bisu.
(T)fOrGG is 5-1 against (P)Bisu, and 4-1 against (Z)Jaedong.
Of the 7 (4P, 2T, 1Z) players (T)Flash has losing record against 4 are retired.
Of the 17 (6P, 8T, 3Z) players (Z)Jaedong has losing record against 6(5? (T)Casy?) are retired.
Of the 25 (9P, 10T, 6Z) players (P)Bisu has losing record against 12(11? (T)Casy?) are retired.
5 KT players have winning records vs (P)Bisu((T)Flash,(T)fOrGG,(P)Tempest,(P)Violet,(P)Stats)
Live2Win is awesome. Happy new year scarabi!
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