Serious Balance Changes Suggestions Topic - Page 13

On July 09 2004 14:16 RuGbUg wrote:
PvZ balance could definitely use some work my friend, lurk ridge and lurk contains aren't coolio in my book

On July 09 2004 15:30 WtF.Dondy wrote:
uhhm, FrozenArbiter, i was searching for Sonic vs Xellos though, there's no such rep on ygclan, and also... i may have expressed myself badly when i meant something like: "queens are crap "

i actually meant the queens broodling cost and the not lowering of the cooldown of ensnare, are crap

i didn't watch the rep of drone, as it's 1.10 (and i'm too lazy right now, sorry :D) but i'm pretty sure he used mostly ensnare on the mutas?
which is ok with hydras and scourge

btw. the thing with the workers is a pretty neat idea! the economy reduced to half instantly! nice idea

On July 09 2004 16:33 FrozenArbiter wrote:

1) Play non LT/WCG maps

or

2) Get gosu timing. Timing is 99% PvZ on LT

On July 09 2004 18:40 Hoops wrote:
Queens as they are are perfect. Scrouge could actually use more armor to allow them some use on islands. As they are once the enamy has a good size air force scourge can't touch anything.

PvZ is all about the maps. Stop playing temple and understand that, other wise get over it.

On July 09 2004 16:49 RuGbUg wrote:
you're assuming i dont have perfect timing, which I do. I am better than any toss you have EVER SEEN

On July 09 2004 13:54 Abyss_Bahamut wrote:



Tfeign, just give up man, you are wrong and plenty of people have proved it.

I will formally counter-argue every point you've made here, queen vs muta.

' My opinions ' :

1. Queens are also not supposed to be made in groups of 1. Btw moron, one is not a group. You need at least 4-5 queens [ Just like you said 5+ mutas ] to: A. Survive long enough to cast shit 2. Have enough so waiting on mana is not a constant issue. 3. To make up for the resources you used to upgrade their spells.

2. Queens can't harass workers? Lolz, you have to be shitting me. Ever see ensnare on workers? Ensnare is in MOST cases better than mutas, why? Because one you get advantage financially, and if any units come to protect, your ensnare hits them too so at which point you can counter his front or do some other type of harass as it will take his units a long time to get somewhere else.

3. Since you want to be so god damn specific I will be too: Queens can't kill buildings? Uh, with 4-5 queens you can easily broodling enough workers to kill all peons which means that exp is useless. Not to mention that you can ' infest ' which is BETTER than destroying the CC.

4. Queens can ensnare any type of unit, can broodling non-robotic ground units, AND can parasite Mutas can only attack, ever look at it that way?

5. True, You CAN mass up mutas way before queens have energy, because think about it, unless you're a retard who the hell goes queens nest before mutas if your plan is to have mutes as your main force.

Next, your arguement about not having enough units to defend/and or counter is completely wrong. Queens cost nothing mineral-wise, and as you said yourself you don't need/get as many queens as you get mutes so therefore, sunks and lings can be made, which is adequate enough to hold off any counter.

6. True, mutas can defend your base from drops. False what you said about queens. Your definition of defense is very vague. If terran comes with double tank drop or just gols and tanks, you broodling them = You defended your base AND now you have harass units. If toss or zerg drops you can ensnare which is also a type of ' Defense ' if you deny this then you're also denying that d-matrix which is also a spell is not ' Defense ' Idk about you but even if I know I am going to lose, I'd rather fight ensnared units than non-ensnared ones.

7. Um, queens usefullness is 100% from the moment you have them. So tell me if that's worse than having to get/wait for greater spire for something that will most likely die because by that time it's late game and guard just gets pwned too easily nowadays.

8 + 9. Yeah man you're so right on these two, I mean I've never EVER seen anyone get turrets against queens. I mean they're just queens right? All they do is broodling tanks on cliffs so cracks can go through and rape everything.

10. Again, queens can ensnare the worker going on the way to expand and you'll have enough time for a ling to come and clean it up, either that or parasite it or broodling it ' If possible '

11. Um..... ZvZ? Air vs Air, Ensnare + Scourge + less mutas is better than Mutas+scourge. Hydra vs muta, ensnare hydras and counter his main?

12. Yeah all these points I already covered.

Mutas more cost effective than a queen in every single matchup? Don't think so.

Queens can't harass workers? Lolz, you have to be shitting me. Ever see ensnare on workers? Ensnare is in MOST cases better than mutas, why? Because one you get advantage financially, and if any units come to protect, your ensnare hits them too so at which point you can counter his front or do some other type of harass as it will take his units a long time to get somewhere else.

Since you want to be so god damn specific I will be too: Queens can't kill buildings? Uh, with 4-5 queens you can easily broodling enough workers to kill all peons which means that exp is useless.