Serious Balance Changes Suggestions Topic - Page 17

On July 07 2004 15:17 tfeign wrote:



And anyone who doesn't agree with anything I said, give me a reason why.

By the way, a reason isn't simply saying oh "queens don't suck." A reason means pointing out evidence from pro replays where choosing the underused unit over the other was a better decision.

Please answer my question because I have asked it many times now...how many times have you seen a professional player choosing to go queens over defilers and it turned out he made a good decision? Probably less than 5 times.

How many times have you seen a professional player choosing to go defilers over queens and it turned out he made a good decision? Probably thousands of times

On September 15 2004 13:03 Oxygen wrote:


Queens own. They aren't used too much, but I'm pretty sure Twisted ha used them a few times. Queen broodling at 100 energy is too powerful IMO. TvZ it would rape the tanks too hard, and thus if you can't micro too well you lose the matchup entirely (you can make up for your loss of micro with tanks... though it won't be as effective). Besides, you can't know when a player is making that decision.

Scouts are pretty good already. They own the shit out of BCs. DA's feedback is awesome. You underestimate it.

On September 15 2004 12:56 Eclipse.fX wrote:
I don't know if this has been brought up, but I think fixing dark swarm so that Siege Tank splash damage didn't kill units under the swarm would assist greatly in balancing lategame ZvT.

On September 15 2004 14:29 Geval wrote:
I was thinking about some agressive sairs+DT. By the way how many "intotherain vs like isaac" games have you seen. You can also argue that P should go arbiter v Z ----> look garimto.
Got the point?
But I do agree that if that happens "you can't muta harass at all anymore"

I tried to come up with several new things
... 100 web for sairs ( would make PvZ and PvT none island games more interesting, but on island maps....)
... cheaper reaver or speed to shuttle (balance ground, but island..)
... arbiter cheaper (would balance late PvZ, but would also give late TvP a hard time)
... +3 attack lots kill +3 deffense links (would balance the late PvZ but most of the PvZ practicaly ends up during the middle game)

on the other hand
..hydras can be weaker (zerg would go muta more often in ZvP and ZvT)
and tank weaker or -1 to siege range (wich would balance ZvT if the hydras get weaker, and force TvP to be more creative) at the same time the carrs need 8 supply ---> no massing carrs

On September 15 2004 14:29 Geval wrote:
I was thinking about some agressive sairs+DT. By the way how many "intotherain vs like isaac" games have you seen. You can also argue that P should go arbiter v Z ----> look garimto.
Got the point?
But I do agree that if that happens "you can't muta harass at all anymore"

I tried to come up with several new things
... 100 web for sairs ( would make PvZ and PvT none island games more interesting, but on island maps....)
... cheaper reaver or speed to shuttle (balance ground, but island..)
... arbiter cheaper (would balance late PvZ, but would also give late TvP a hard time)
... +3 attack lots kill +3 deffense links (would balance the late PvZ but most of the PvZ practicaly ends up during the middle game)

on the other hand
..hydras can be weaker (zerg would go muta more often in ZvP and ZvT)
and tank weaker or -1 to siege range (wich would balance ZvT if the hydras get weaker, and force TvP to be more creative) at the same time the carrs need 8 supply ---> no massing carrs

On September 15 2004 14:39 RiSE wrote:
I totally agree with lowering mana cost for sairs. 125 mana for that little of duration and area of effect is sad.

On September 15 2004 12:56 Eclipse.fX wrote:
I don't know if this has been brought up, but I think fixing dark swarm so that Siege Tank splash damage didn't kill units under the swarm would assist greatly in balancing lategame ZvT.

On September 15 2004 14:44 TanGo wrote:
I think they should just fucking skip the annoying strictness of spell/ability costs, why can't a ability costs like 80? does it have to be 25-50-75-100-125 etc.. Just pisses me off since it is a lot easier to balance the cost without using strict costs.

On September 15 2004 14:46 bburn wrote:


That would greatly unbalance late game TvZ as it would allow terrans only the sci vessel to fight dark swarm. Now this may not be much of a issue but this would make it rediculiously hard for terrans when they are playing against a one base tech ---> lurker/defilers as the terran would not be able to get enough sci vessels to kill any decent force so zerg could just go ling lurker defilier and roll over the terran.

On September 15 2004 14:50 Eclipse.fX wrote:


Perhaps some sort of middle ground could be found, normally by the time Zerg is lurkers/defilers Terran is going to have a whole vessel cloud, as it is now the lurkers just die, maybe 1-2 survive if any at all.

Perhaps just lower the splash done by tanks to units under swarm?

Terran "could" use firebats... *laugh* :p

On September 15 2004 14:52 Tien wrote:
TvZ and ZvT is BALANCED. Stop messing around with it. Although I think early game bunker gaynesses should be changed. Like taking longer to make a bunker.

Controlling defilers is super hard too. I find it much harder to control defilers than controlling m+m armies. Defilers would be useless if they made swarm weaker.

On September 15 2004 14:49 Travin wrote:

lets see, we have heal as 1