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jeff.albertson
Profile Joined May 2010
Switzerland5 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-15 21:02:03
September 15 2010 20:53 GMT
#461
IMHO the business model of Starcraft was: pay and receive a game, you can do whatever u want with it. From that point of view, I don't understand why Kespa even negotiate.

Came SC or BW with a end user agreement that denies organising events or broadcasting games?

Does anyone know how purchase agreement law works in korea?
Is koreans intellectual property law comparable to the US model?
hypercube
Profile Joined April 2010
Hungary2735 Posts
September 15 2010 21:28 GMT
#462
On September 11 2010 13:14 Roconar wrote:

In the end, 1v1 Starcraft is not a team sport. If you look at most non-team sports, you'll find that the players do not receive a salary. There is prize money and sponsorships.

Look at tennis: If players earn enough, they keep traveling to tournaments on the ATP tour. If not, they supplement their income by coaching, or do something else. The same goes for most non-team olympic sports.

Poker, Billiards etc: All the income is from tournaments with prize money.

Boxing, chess etc: Matches are set up with a competitor (or his promoter) negotiating a fee for participating in a match (possibly with a bonus for winning). There are also tournaments with prize money.


Many individual sports work under a team structure. Chess, amateur boxing, wrestling (the sport, not WWF) all have teams.

Table tennis even has a champions' league similar to football or other team sports. It might be less well known but it has been running (under different names) since the 1960s.

Teams might share coaches, training venues or other resources. In some sports almost every player plays for a team, in others, like athletics, most top players don't.

I think the team structure makes a lot of sense for esports especially because it's underdeveloped. You can't build a sport on 5 professionals 20 semipros and many aspiring amateurs. At least I don't think you can. The only thing that needs to go is the rigid line between pros and amateurs.
"Sending people in rockets to other planets is a waste of money better spent on sending rockets into people on this planet."
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7884 Posts
September 15 2010 21:32 GMT
#463
On September 13 2010 02:33 Comeh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2010 02:18 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Won't buy Blizzard products anymore. Doesn't really matter since their game are a bit worse every year... The way they are selling S2 3 time its price by splitting the campaign is also just gross.

Well, to be fair, there also will be an equivalent amount of playtime for 1 sc2 expansion to all of a broodwar expansion or so, and the quality of the missions in the first starcraft 2 (ie creativity of level design) are greater, in my opinion, as are the production quality. So that's kind of silly.
I thought sc2 was good, but blizzard marketing and strategy is always worrying.

Well, that's still selling one game for the price of three.

The way theses companies sell "expansions" which are absolutely necessary to play a bit seriously and are more of a huge patch than a new game for the same price than the original is already what I call pure racket. Expanding the concept to THREE fucking games is thinking that people are idiots.

Starcraft 2 cost 60 dollars. So that means that for playing the wole thing, you'll have to pay 180 dollars. I mean seriously. 180$ for a video game. And then they need to kill brood war to make money out of the pro scene. And they made the biggest profit in history of video game by selling a month rental on WoW.

The whole Blizzard thing is a huge joke. I'd like to know the margin of their shareholders. Must be interesting. Well they can screw themselves, they won't get my money anymore. I'm feeling too old for this bullcrap.
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MuffinDude
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3837 Posts
September 16 2010 00:41 GMT
#464
Yeah fuck u blizzard.


User was warned for this post
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GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
September 16 2010 02:43 GMT
#465
Chess isn't really a team sport, except for the olympics. Or bughouse.
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hypercube
Profile Joined April 2010
Hungary2735 Posts
September 16 2010 02:51 GMT
#466
On September 16 2010 11:43 GolemMadness wrote:
Chess isn't really a team sport, except for the olympics. Or bughouse.


Many European countries have national team leagues that run through the year. Some top players do play for multiple teams (i.e in different championships) but some players play for a certain club exclusively and probably get salaries instead of match bonuses.

Just because the game itself is played between 2 players the match is still between the teams, just like in Proleague.
"Sending people in rockets to other planets is a waste of money better spent on sending rockets into people on this planet."
MuffinDude
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3837 Posts
September 16 2010 04:51 GMT
#467

On September 11 2010 13:14 Roconar wrote:

In the end, 1v1 Starcraft is not a team sport. If you look at most non-team sports, you'll find that the players do not receive a salary. There is prize money and sponsorships.

Look at tennis: If players earn enough, they keep traveling to tournaments on the ATP tour. If not, they supplement their income by coaching, or do something else. The same goes for most non-team olympic sports.

Poker, Billiards etc: All the income is from tournaments with prize money.

Boxing, chess etc: Matches are set up with a competitor (or his promoter) negotiating a fee for participating in a match (possibly with a bonus for winning). There are also tournaments with prize money.


If you think about it, archery is a team sport, and gymnastics too. Their structures are very similar to sc.
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Bisu-Fan
Profile Joined January 2010
Russian Federation3329 Posts
September 23 2010 18:47 GMT
#468
sorry for posting after some time but does anyone know anything more about this yet?
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2Pacalypse-
Profile Joined October 2006
Croatia9499 Posts
September 23 2010 20:31 GMT
#469
On September 24 2010 03:47 Bisu-Fan wrote:
sorry for posting after some time but does anyone know anything more about this yet?

I'm sure Milkis will keep us posted as soon as anything changes ^^
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PineappleLumpsToss
Profile Joined July 2010
New Zealand2434 Posts
September 24 2010 09:57 GMT
#470
You'd think so, but it's been eerily quiet on this topic for a little while now, so I don't blame Bisu-Fan for checking.

Still, we've had enough drama over the last week or so. The impending court case can wait a bit longer.
aimaimaim
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Philippines2167 Posts
September 24 2010 12:34 GMT
#471
October is near .. If PL starts with a great BO .. then i dont see any chance Cheesy Gretech will win ..
Religion is a dying idea .. || 'E-sport' outside Korea are nerds who wants to feel like rockstars. || I'm not gonna fuck with trolls on General Forum ever again .. FUCK!
aimaimaim
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Philippines2167 Posts
September 24 2010 12:43 GMT
#472
i read some of the pages .. and please take note that regarding this matter:

No one gives a fuck about BW dying or staying outside Korea. This is Korea's E-Sport scene. If this goes to courts, they will side with Koreans.

Its a simple analogy. but some people still think blizzard has a chance at destroying Korean Culture with Korean Laws and Korean Courts.
Religion is a dying idea .. || 'E-sport' outside Korea are nerds who wants to feel like rockstars. || I'm not gonna fuck with trolls on General Forum ever again .. FUCK!
MuuMuuKnight
Profile Joined February 2010
Thailand107 Posts
September 24 2010 15:44 GMT
#473
Disregarding the outcome, either result is bad for E-sport. Its like parent fighting over a child custody, either way the child suffer! SC2's scene will definitely takes more time to mature, T_T.
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T0fuuu
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia2275 Posts
September 25 2010 05:15 GMT
#474
On September 25 2010 00:44 MuuMuuKnight wrote:
Disregarding the outcome, either result is bad for E-sport. Its like parent fighting over a child custody, either way the child suffer! SC2's scene will definitely takes more time to mature, T_T.

The mother is a heroin addict and the father beats his wife starcraft baby has no love .
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
September 25 2010 05:21 GMT
#475
On September 24 2010 21:43 aimaimaim wrote:
i read some of the pages .. and please take note that regarding this matter:

No one gives a fuck about BW dying or staying outside Korea. This is Korea's E-Sport scene. If this goes to courts, they will side with Koreans.

Its a simple analogy. but some people still think blizzard has a chance at destroying Korean Culture with Korean Laws and Korean Courts.


Hence it was a wise move for blizzard to hand over the negotiation reigns to GRETech, a legitimate korean firm.

They now have a better chance than Blizzard vs KeSPA right?
night terrors
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
China1284 Posts
September 25 2010 05:32 GMT
#476
Except everyone can see through that and infer Gretech is Blizzard with a costume that doesnt fit. Im not sure how but lawyers could certainly play that in court.
Through high and low, bisu boy, through high and low.
HUNK1984
Profile Joined May 2010
Malaysia22 Posts
September 25 2010 13:17 GMT
#477
Is this mean I will never see Bisu, Stork, Jaedong and Flash in action again? Oh man..Thanks Blizzard/Activision for trying to kill BW scene....
I have no idea for now
mimikami
Profile Joined August 2010
France77 Posts
September 25 2010 13:56 GMT
#478
On September 25 2010 14:15 T0fuuu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2010 00:44 MuuMuuKnight wrote:
Disregarding the outcome, either result is bad for E-sport. Its like parent fighting over a child custody, either way the child suffer! SC2's scene will definitely takes more time to mature, T_T.

The mother is a heroin addict and the father beats his wife starcraft baby has no love .


Maybe grandpa (government) will step in and win the custody.
Starcraft baby still has hope.
mimi mimi mimi
Bisu-Fan
Profile Joined January 2010
Russian Federation3329 Posts
September 25 2010 16:35 GMT
#479
On September 25 2010 22:56 mimikami wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2010 14:15 T0fuuu wrote:
On September 25 2010 00:44 MuuMuuKnight wrote:
Disregarding the outcome, either result is bad for E-sport. Its like parent fighting over a child custody, either way the child suffer! SC2's scene will definitely takes more time to mature, T_T.

The mother is a heroin addict and the father beats his wife starcraft baby has no love .


Maybe grandpa (government) will step in and win the custody.
Starcraft baby still has hope.


what's starcraft II in this analogy?
poor poor starcraft baby....
The Revolutionist Shall Rise Again! No. 1 Kim Taek Yong Fan 어헣↗ GO JAEDONG!!!!!!! GO ACE!!! 태연 <3 윤아 <3 승연 <3
night terrors
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
China1284 Posts
September 25 2010 18:03 GMT
#480
On September 26 2010 01:35 Bisu-Fan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2010 22:56 mimikami wrote:
On September 25 2010 14:15 T0fuuu wrote:
On September 25 2010 00:44 MuuMuuKnight wrote:
Disregarding the outcome, either result is bad for E-sport. Its like parent fighting over a child custody, either way the child suffer! SC2's scene will definitely takes more time to mature, T_T.

The mother is a heroin addict and the father beats his wife starcraft baby has no love .


Maybe grandpa (government) will step in and win the custody.
Starcraft baby still has hope.


what's starcraft II in this analogy?
poor poor starcraft baby....


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Through high and low, bisu boy, through high and low.
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