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vOddy
Sweden402 Posts
On August 31 2010 11:07 Jayme wrote: Hive Zerg is generally considered the most ridiculous. Defiler really has some ridiculous spells. Irradiate + emp + restoration + positioning would own defilers. I think Terran would constantly avoid getting flanked and just dance around while owning the Zerg. | ||
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nayumi
Australia6499 Posts
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lebalebaleba
United States71 Posts
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hellokitty[hk]
United States1309 Posts
IDK how they figure that, I feel lurkers would get stomped by pro-micro. | ||
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TriniMasta
United States1323 Posts
On August 31 2010 04:08 MangoTango wrote: 35000 APM? We're talking about optimal play, at theoretical infinite APM. idk, but it took me a while to figure out an AI was playing this, thought the APM counter was just bugged or something | ||
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Gnabgib
United States381 Posts
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Grobyc
Canada18410 Posts
PvZ ex. P: I choose 200/200 dragoons Z: K, well I choose like 5 defilers and 380 zerglings. P: Fine, I choose 10 HT, and the rest archons. Z: Ok, I change all those zerglings to ultralisks now. P: I change my whole army to carriers: Z: I change my army to 5 defilers + the rest hydralisks etc etc etc There's no end to it, and you can't just pick some random composition going in because there's a chance that the other computer will have a composition that "counters" it. | ||
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[Azn]Nada
United States275 Posts
Lets think: Marine ->first ranged unit of the game. Run into opponents mineral line, dance around with perfect micro and kill workers. Vultures--> super fast, basically destroies any melee units with micro. Goliath--> ridiculous anti-air range, can probably kite muta if played perfectly. (See boxer vs. Savior Micro) Against toss --> Vessel = mass EMP Tanks--> with infinite micro, basically tank shots would be perfect. Friendly fire would be negated because tanks that would FF would just pick the furthest unit in range, and shoot that instead, letting vultures take care of zealotbombs and what not. Plague-->Useless, have medics for restoration. Dark Swarm --> run away from it, use firebats to pick off anything too dangerous Marine perfect micro destroys lurkers (There was a pimpest play on this, 3 marine kill 1 lurker, no damage on marines) Mass drops. Remember Boxer's triple dropship play against (Yellow/Chojja?) Imagine coordinated dropships of M/M at every single zerg base at once lol, total rape. | ||
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Crisium
United States1618 Posts
 Stork, Bisu,  Jaedong, and  Flash a lot of cash to play each other on the Slowest setting. It'll be close enough... | ||
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Raz0r
United States287 Posts
PvZ i think we forget, even if someone microes perfectly, they cannot absolutely completely dodge a storm, if well casted, a storm would cover a good area, where the hydras are (if you wanna argue that the zerg would spread his hydras out, then you have to know that all his hydras won't be in range to join the fight) , it would take a few secs to get them out of that, and if a protoss is perfect they would cover the field of storms in a few secs, and make zerg units dance, and during that time while they get dmged a bit and are trying to move out of storm rather than atking, protoss can destroy the zerg army. I'm not sure about early game though, if hydra rushes were perfectly microed, pulling dmg hydras back before they die to cannons. and late game, i think same thing applies like PvT, Protoss army is the less mobile one now, and zerg would go cracklings everywhere, protoss might not be able to defend everywhere, if he spreads his army at each expo, then zerg would launch a big army to kill one expo, but then we have to consider that zerg could be open somewhere else too by doing that. so there are simply too many variables i guess to decide which race is the best. | ||
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Zorkit
Canada66 Posts
On August 31 2010 12:59 Gnabgib wrote: Zerg easy. Forget mutas, imagine what perfectly microed lings could be incredibly scary. yes. perfectly microed lings against archons. delicious. | ||
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MangoTango
United States3670 Posts
On August 31 2010 13:51 Crisium wrote: Make a lot of money, and pay Stork, Bisu, Jaedong, and Flash a lot of cash to play each other on the Slowest setting. It'll be close enough...Haha this would be so bad. They'd throw their hands up 3 minutes in because their 6th worker hadn't spawned yet. | ||
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0xDEADBEEF
Germany1235 Posts
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vOddy
Sweden402 Posts
On August 31 2010 13:50 [Azn]Nada wrote: frankly, terran would own the crap outta other races. Lets think: Marine ->first ranged unit of the game. Run into opponents mineral line, dance around with perfect micro and kill workers. Not possible, because marines don't have better speed than zerglings or zealots. Everytime they stop to attack, the melee units get closer. | ||
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wiesel
Germany727 Posts
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vOddy
Sweden402 Posts
Edit: On the other hand, how is Zerg supposed to untill they have dark swarm vs perfect marine micro? | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8026 Posts
On August 31 2010 08:16 moopie wrote: Vessels wouldn't travel in a cloud, would be inefficient. Not to mention 1 plague will still > them, and then mutas can pick them off, even with marines guarding. Mutas are faster than vessels, and the losses will be acceptable. Vessels would need to be kept seperated enough to avoid plagues. And mass marines won't be the end-all of TvZ offensive, SK terran will still have the same weaknesses it does now. When I said cloud, I meant that zerg would not be able to kill vessel because of marines targetting scourges, so terran would find himself with 15 vessels very quickly. Terran would have no problem dealing with plague, as he would have medics special ability ready and probably scvs to repair. But you're right, there would be vessels basically everywhere. SKTerran would have no weakness at all. Terran would lose almost nothing, as he could micro all his troop and avoid to lose anything at all to lurkers. SKTerran would be absolutely invincible if you could retreat exactly on time, micro perfectly against lurkers, keep all your vessel alive by right clicking every single scourge and use your medics against plague. There is absolutely nothing zerg could be able to do. | ||
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shalafi
394 Posts
Dropship + tanks/goliaths can destroy sunkens, dragoons and many other projectile units without taking damage: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=106774 (And remember, the CPU could keep the dropships moving at maximum speed, so in case the protoss/zerg allins, they can easily retreat). | ||
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aimaimaim
Philippines2167 Posts
THE PROBE .. range:1 , shield regen .. | ||
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ProoM
Lithuania1741 Posts
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