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Xma
United States147 Posts
this is regarding normal ability btw...perfect dark archon=potential for 600 pop(likely to just be 400, but still)...greater than any 200 microed army, and this assumes both are extremely microed with the insane 100000000 apm, i think ehh no idea (zerg could be everywhere at same time, but terran could outrange ton of stuff, and toss could just freeze entire armies and just storm stuff all day) | ||
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-xpeh-
Ukraine86 Posts
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Mobius
Canada1268 Posts
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Hidden_MotiveS
Canada2562 Posts
On September 01 2010 01:41 blagoonga123 wrote: Except you could then split your mutas into groups and harass all over the place? And just because this discussion doesn't adhere to your own arbitrary aesthetic doesn't mean it's a "stupid" discussion. Seriously, how exactly is discussing real players any more or less "useful" than having a fun fluff discussion? Do you even know how to have fun? Do you have any imagination? It must be really sad to be you :/ Poor dude. Haha, I'll bite. Although you should have stated this in your OP that you just wanted a fun thread for arguing. Given perfect micro, on flat terrain, I think a protoss would win just about every fight. 49DA's with mind control and feedback is just unstoppable imo. It's instantaneous and has a good range so all spellcasters fall. Then you can fight any 2 supply unit (vulture, tank, dragoon, zealot) armies to a draw using just mind control, and any damage tanking from the DA's / added spells / second mind controls yield a win for the protoss. The only units that might stand a chance would be large marine or large hydra armies, and even then, the protoss just has to edit his army slightly. All zerg air falls to maelstrom and storm if they bunch, and if they don't, to units like carriers/scouts/dragoons. I can also imagine stasis being a large problem for any army, given that stasis is instantaneous, each arbiter would get two stasises before being lockdowned/yamatod/emp'd. Let's see your opponent fight with half their army left  .And lastly, I've seen terran mech fall pretty easily to zealot pushes on flat terrain even when the tanks were spread out (micro maps). The defender's advantage goes away completely given perfect micro as each tank shot would only hit one zealot, and the tanks can't kite. | ||
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SubtleArt
2710 Posts
On September 01 2010 08:35 Hidden_MotiveS wrote: Haha, I'll bite. Although you should have stated this in your OP that you just wanted a fun thread for arguing. Given perfect micro, on flat terrain, I think a protoss would win just about every fight. 49DA's with mind control and feedback is just unstoppable imo. It's instantaneous and has a good range so all spellcasters fall. Then you can fight any 2 supply unit (vulture, tank, dragoon, zealot) armies to a draw using just mind control, and any damage tanking from the DA's / added spells / second mind controls yield a win for the protoss. The only units that might stand a chance would be large marine or large hydra armies, and even then, the protoss just has to edit his army slightly. All zerg air falls to maelstrom and storm if they bunch, and if they don't, to units like carriers/scouts/dragoons. I can also imagine stasis being a large problem for any army, given that stasis is instantaneous, each arbiter would get two stasises before being lockdowned/yamatod/emp'd. Let's see your opponent fight with half their army left .And lastly, I've seen terran mech fall pretty easily to zealot pushes on flat terrain even when the tanks were spread out (micro maps). The defender's advantage goes away completely given perfect micro as each tank shot would only hit one zealot, and the tanks can't kite. a) siege tanks way outrange DA spellcasting range b) with perfect micro tanks would snipe a lot of them c) with perfect micro vultures would snipe them preemptively d) with perfect emp they're useless unless they control or feedback vessels, in which case theyve wasted energy and with perfect micro the tanks snipe only the ones with energy | ||
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Xma
United States147 Posts
+ u could even do like hallucinations of arbiters to screw up emps dont get point of this thread , seems like u are indirectly asking wat race u should use by finding the "best", if so terran 100% just think of all the amazing players they have compared to z and p | ||
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r3z3nd3
Brazil522 Posts
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Tazza
Korea (South)1678 Posts
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
On August 31 2010 06:00 Pedo.Bear wrote: im like 98% sure that 3-3 200/200 mech is the strongest army out there.. i think ive heard day9 say it several times, nuke say it several times, ive read it on tl several times, seen several progames displaying the strength.... and ive used it and feel like its the strongest several times hahaha Effectively speaking it is. However it's not really truly the strongest. Spellcaster usage can prove highly effective against mech and it tends to boil down a lot to unit ratios: i.e. having the right ratio of units to do optimal damage to the Terran's ratio of vulture/goliath/tank. And also, Battle Cruiser + Tank is Terran's strongest endgame option. All "counters" to it are not very cost efficient. And at infinite apm, you can imagine situations like a lot of queens combined with ling/hydra/defiler would destroy it if you had enough energy and fast enough hands to do like 30 broodlings all at once and still have clicks left over for darkswarm and plague. Speculation of what race is best at infinite apm is just that: speculation. | ||
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Cambium
United States16368 Posts
irradiate + emp + cloak + lockdown? | ||
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jackofclubs81
United States196 Posts
 Sorry for the big text, I need to work on making paragraphs | ||
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b_unnies
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Sunman
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vOddy
Sweden402 Posts
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Sworn
Canada920 Posts
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Salteador Neo
Andorra5591 Posts
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shurgen
350 Posts
Like someone said earlier, mines would lose their non-slowing down toss army before it gets to tank line functions. One thing that a lot of you guys are doing is saying "well perfect vulture micro = gg." However, you have to keep into consideration what "perfect" ling micro looks like versus a "perfect" vulture. In order to find out what the best perfect race is, it has to be matched up against another "perfect" opponent. I have a lot of trouble conceptualizing this, but I guess you can say that "if both players make the best possible decisions based off of scouting etc. which race would be ahead." Even then, I can't come to a single conclusion off of that because it is too difficult to imagine a "perfect" play. :x. | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On September 01 2010 01:48 wiesel wrote: huh wtf do you even read or think about what you write down? Poeple throwing around so easily the imbalance term these days makes me sick ZOMG HE SAID BW WAS IMBALANCED! BURN HIM! WITCH! Good Lord. No game is perfect. Calm down. | ||
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Ocular
Canada141 Posts
I'll be adding a poll shortly for people to vote. Keep sending in your ideas though. | ||
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LolnoobInsanity
United States183 Posts
On August 31 2010 03:14 yeti wrote: I would say zerg since 1000000 amp = perfect macro (for the race with the hardest macro-mechanic) note: A 100000 apm user would be a computer. So a scientific test could be made by pitting comps against each other. Edit: thx Xiphos. amp not amp. lol at the edit | ||
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