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vishrut
United States567 Posts
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19288 Posts
On February 19 2011 09:54 disciple wrote: while I agree with you that Bisu will have hard time getting another shot at a starleague, you simply cannot ignore his presence at the moment. When he went on paid vacation and came back , he was able to do something very few ppl ,if any managed to do before him - getting back to his basics. In the last years, Bisu hasnt evolved to a new stage of his play, he regressed to the one thing that defines his career - his PvZ. There are very few anomalies in BroodWar, the domination of most of the great players, excluding savior maybe, is taking the maximum advantage of their momentum, the state of the metagame, the maps. If you look at Bisu's PvZ for the past 12, maybe even 24 months you will see how irrelevant the MU or the map balance was for his performance. If that doesnt make his abilities any justice you can look at his winning streak against the best ZvP player of all time - Jaedong. Up to date, Bisu must have 4 or 5 wins against Jaedong in a row, almost all of them on maps that are 60% or more in favor of zerg. Its simply incredible I will be the self-identified BisuFan to do so. As I am the BisuDagger, and I go after all non-bisu fans. | ||
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By.Fantasy
Thailand123 Posts
On February 19 2011 17:18 tbrown47 wrote: bisu fanboy :} i lol'd however i disagree with your statement, i think Flash is probably the strongest if they were all playing at their peaks, but that is just the nature of Terran, imo. So your implying that Terran is Imba? | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8745 Posts
your id is by.fantasy but youre a khan fan? wut | ||
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By.Fantasy
Thailand123 Posts
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On February 19 2011 16:32 ArvickHero wrote: Bisu won 2 starleagues back-to-back back in 07 and that wasn't even his peak ;o but I'm pretty sure LunarC was referring to Bisu's "peak play" would rival Flash's "peak play", which I would agree to. If you want me to rephrase that, 2 starleagues in the same season. Flash won titles in 3 back to back seasons. Bisu's peak play isn't close to Flash's peak play. That's how you distinguish great players from a bonjwa. It's such a biased statement to just assume someone's peak play is just as good as a better player's. Hey guys Nal_rA's peak play was just as good as Savior's because they were really good at the same time despite the fact that Savior beat him a lot and won more leagues. You can love Bisu all you want and I am totally okay with that, but he's done nothing to prove that he is or ever has been as good as Flash at his best. No one has done that because we JUST crowned him bonjwa a couple months ago. | ||
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puppykiller
United States3137 Posts
Watch it if you haven't seen it. Its incredible. Still while bisu can often slaughter someone with a well prepared build, he lacks the abillity to turn every situation somehow into his advantage | ||
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Elefanto
Switzerland3584 Posts
On February 19 2011 21:30 puppykiller wrote: Bisu is damn good but you don't see him making the sorts of comebacks that flash does. Except that one game on katrina... Watch it if you haven't seen it. Its incredible. Still while bisu can often slaughter someone with a well prepared build, he lacks the abillity to turn every situation somehow into his advantage To be fair, i don't see ANY protoss do that... It's just easier to do a comeback with turtle terran than it is with protoss. | ||
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gn0m
Sweden302 Posts
On February 19 2011 21:30 puppykiller wrote: Bisu is damn good but you don't see him making the sorts of comebacks that flash does. Except that one game on katrina... Watch it if you haven't seen it. Its incredible. Still while bisu can often slaughter someone with a well prepared build, he lacks the abillity to turn every situation somehow into his advantage Bisu vs Calm @ Fighting Spirit was a pretty nice comback | ||
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
On February 19 2011 21:30 puppykiller wrote: Bisu is damn good but you don't see him making the sorts of comebacks that flash does. Except that one game on katrina... Watch it if you haven't seen it. Its incredible. Still while bisu can often slaughter someone with a well prepared build, he lacks the abillity to turn every situation somehow into his advantage To be fair, terran does give you a better chance at making a comeback. Not that it's easy by any means, but it's harder to 1a2a3a into a turtling terran who attempts a comeback than a protoss who does the same. The two aren't really so comparable because what Flash does may be just impossible for P/Z to do because they aren't terran. There's been 3-4 terran bonjwas, all with comparable achievements, 1.5 zerg bonjwas(-1 for match fixing if you want to do that), and no protoss bonjwas. Yet Bisu is still ahead of every other protoss by a significant margin. Nal_rA may have only 1 less title, but he never had a streak of being the best player. By all means he is the player most capable of being god-tier in the least consistent race. And what is this about Bisu and prepared builds? He doesn't go facepalm mode in PL like Fantasy, he wins just about all the time. His strength is mechanics. And I also disagree about his inability to make comebacks. Watch Bisu vs Great, Calm, and Jaedong for comebacks. | ||
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fearus
China2164 Posts
On February 19 2011 21:15 TwoToneTerran wrote: You can love Bisu all you want and I am totally okay with that, but he's done nothing to prove that he is or ever has been as good as Flash at his best. No one has done that because we JUST crowned him bonjwa a couple months ago. You can be jealous of Bisu all you want and I am totally okay with that but you need to make your own Flash appreciation thread or Bisu hate thread and go dwell in there. What Flash has done with Terran is nothing new. No one is as impressed with a dominant Terran anymore, especially playing in such a mechanical and lackluster style. Nada and Oov has already shown us many years back. | ||
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agarangu
Chile274 Posts
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On February 20 2011 00:38 agarangu wrote: I say the OP should edit this thread right now. I think the OP is still hoping that Bisu is going to drop 80 ELO points by May. | ||
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puppykiller
United States3137 Posts
On February 19 2011 22:21 Lightwip wrote: To be fair, terran does give you a better chance at making a comeback. Not that it's easy by any means, but it's harder to 1a2a3a into a turtling terran who attempts a comeback than a protoss who does the same. The two aren't really so comparable because what Flash does may be just impossible for P/Z to do because they aren't terran. There's been 3-4 terran bonjwas, all with comparable achievements, 1.5 zerg bonjwas(-1 for match fixing if you want to do that), and no protoss bonjwas. Yet Bisu is still ahead of every other protoss by a significant margin. Nal_rA may have only 1 less title, but he never had a streak of being the best player. By all means he is the player most capable of being god-tier in the least consistent race. And what is this about Bisu and prepared builds? He doesn't go facepalm mode in PL like Fantasy, he wins just about all the time. His strength is mechanics. And I also disagree about his inability to make comebacks. Watch Bisu vs Great, Calm, and Jaedong for comebacks. No protoss at the top level wins pvt due to mechanics. And even if that is bisu's worst matchup he has won a lot of pvt's recently so i'm certain that his recent proleuge sucsess does not reside in the speed of his hands. He wins becuase he prepares well.. maybe not like fantasy (gimmicky yet amazing one time use builds) but instead just with generally very strong builds for each of the maps. You raise a good point about the difficulty for comebacks in pvt. I (possibly incorectly) think this is a more recent trend actually as terran have gotten better at preventing scrappy arbiter play to take them down. Bisu definetly makes good comebacks in pvz due to mechanics and abillity to improvise well with what he has. But flash's comebacks are never based on mechanics and are rarely due to constant harsass and are instead usually based on perfect disiscion making (stork opperates in a similar way). This gives flash the oppertunity to potentially return from a disidvantage in every matchup while bisu is more likely to only have comeback succsess in a pvz and maybe a pvp. I don't deny how powerful bisu currently is and I was not around during the era where he was most dominant. But just becuase Korean toss have had less time being the strongest race does not mean that the most famouse protoss celebrity trumps all other players. Diffrent secrets of each race are discovered as time progresses and players exploit them until counters are found. So what if bisu spearheaded one of these instances of one race's dominance? Just becuase one toss stumbled upon something brilliant doesn't make him any diffrent then any of the bonjwas that have revolutionized how their race plays the game. Maybe protoss has had less inovaters then the other races but that says nothing of anyones skill. | ||
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WeRRa
378 Posts
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puppykiller
United States3137 Posts
On February 19 2011 15:58 LunarC wrote: You guys are completely retarded. This OP is from August 2010 which was near the tail end of Bisu's slump. He's come back stronger than ever. Had an 11 win streak in PL recently. His individual league play might not be as up to snuff, but that's no reason to say that's he's out. At all. Bisu's play at its peak can rival Flash's. Bisu, however, plays a style that is quite dependent on control and multitasking, so it definitely appears to be more fragile than Flash's style. This isn't correct. Throughout 2010 flash played many diffrent styles of tvz, tvp and tvt, and one of his most notorius was the tvz he was using around the time of the power outrage msl. The one where he kept a control group of rines running around the map denying the zergs third. This style is absurdly dangerous and completely dependent on perfect mechanics. | ||
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puppykiller
United States3137 Posts
On February 20 2011 03:17 WeRRa wrote: i dont think flash is a better player its just the race wich is better tanks are imba besides that flash showed no special dominance he came on the top where all t player were pretty high while bisu came on the top where he was a newcomer and all said p is underpowered wich is prob true he had a new style and awesome mechanics and owned savior and what did flash? he plays what all t players do and after the maps came wich favored t he was on the top and now after the new maps are out he isnt able to come out of his groups so saying flash is the best player is a bad joke this season the myps dont favor a race otherwise all p player would be high rated but they arent bisu and stork are on the top cause they are high skilled and this with weakest race troll User was warned for this post | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
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Murderotica
Vatican City State2594 Posts
On February 20 2011 03:24 Holgerius wrote: My head hurts after taking a peek into this thread. Oh lord, gotta stay out... TTT is already here so we are at our overwhelming Flash fanboyism quota. Good choice. | ||
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kamikami
France1057 Posts
On February 20 2011 03:24 Holgerius wrote: My head hurts after taking a peek into this thread. Oh lord, gotta stay out... This thread is the place where you can see the power of Bisu fans lol. We are capable of making a 8-line post that consists of only 2 sentences and no punctuation (Werra post for example). Go go Bisu fans, we are so awesome !!! | ||
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