EPTWho's hot? Bisu's not. - Page 15
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white_horse
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disciple
9071 Posts
On February 19 2011 09:23 l0st_romantic wrote: I am willing to bet my signature that Bisu won't make it into the Ro4 in either the next OSL or MSL, or that his ELO will slip by more than 80 points from his current level by May 18th. His current performance is mainly a function of harass-friendly and P-friendly maps. Once maps return to maps which reward solid defensive players, his performance will suffer. If not, I offer my signature to be decided upon by a self-identified Bisu fan. while I agree with you that Bisu will have hard time getting another shot at a starleague, you simply cannot ignore his presence at the moment. When he went on paid vacation and came back , he was able to do something very few ppl ,if any managed to do before him - getting back to his basics. In the last years, Bisu hasnt evolved to a new stage of his play, he regressed to the one thing that defines his career - his PvZ. There are very few anomalies in BroodWar, the domination of most of the great players, excluding savior maybe, is taking the maximum advantage of their momentum, the state of the metagame, the maps. If you look at Bisu's PvZ for the past 12, maybe even 24 months you will see how irrelevant the MU or the map balance was for his performance. If that doesnt make his abilities any justice you can look at his winning streak against the best ZvP player of all time - Jaedong. Up to date, Bisu must have 4 or 5 wins against Jaedong in a row, almost all of them on maps that are 60% or more in favor of zerg. Its simply incredible | ||
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
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Seraphic
United States3849 Posts
Say what you want about him, but Bisu is most likely the best Protoss player in BW will ever have. No one can play PvZ like he can. his PvP is still very good, (aside from Stork giving about more then 50% of his PvP losses). His PvT is still good at the moment, start of the year I don't remember him losing that often. He has a lot of faults yes, when he slumps, he slumps very bad. But when he is good, he will always be near the top. His ELO is at 2300+, only behind Flash. I still believe he will always be the Protoss Bonjwa we never had. | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
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meegrean
Thailand7699 Posts
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aimaimaim
Philippines2167 Posts
On February 19 2011 11:28 meegrean wrote: Bisu's playing pretty well again nowadays, but he really needs to win an OSL. stop rubbing it on the bisu fans already :D | ||
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therockmanxx
Peru1174 Posts
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DyEnasTy
United States3721 Posts
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aimaimaim
Philippines2167 Posts
On February 19 2011 13:23 DyEnasTy wrote: Wait wait, were not seriously comparing Bisu to Flash right now are we? Bisu is without a doubt a great player. But there is no comparison. Stork is doing better than Bisu. weh if you're gonna talk about 'that' then there will be problems . + Show Spoiler + but it won't be coming from me  SBG! | ||
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tedster
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By.Fantasy
Thailand123 Posts
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LunarC
United States1186 Posts
On February 19 2011 15:25 By.Fantasy wrote: Why the heck would you compare FLASH to Bisu? Flash has always been better than anyone I've ever seen play. Flash almost made me think that Terran is IMBA. Bisu's play at its peak can rival Flash's. Bisu, however, plays a style that is quite dependent on control and multitasking, so it definitely appears to be more fragile than Flash's style. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On February 19 2011 15:58 LunarC wrote: Bisu's play at its peak can rival Flash's. Bisu, however, plays a style that is quite dependent on control and multitasking, so it definitely appears to be more fragile than Flash's style. I never got why anyone said this. Bisu playing at his peak never won two starleagues. Bisu's probably the most successful and consistent protoss, but his peak is nowhere near Flash's peak. | ||
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
On February 19 2011 15:25 By.Fantasy wrote: Why the heck would you compare FLASH to Bisu? Flash has always been better than anyone I've ever seen play. Flash almost made me think that Terran is IMBA. Did you happen to start watching progaming in 2010? Bisu might not be a bonjwa, but it should not be forgotten that in 2007 he was on his way to walking the bonjwa road, and then in late 2008/early 2009 he was even stronger, achieving nearly 80% wins over a stretch of almost 100 games. Hence it's perfectly reasonable to compare them. Flash has had the better career. There is no doubt of that. It is Flash, not Bisu, who epitomizes the modern gamer. But Bisu is a very powerful player who should not be overlooked. At his best, he's a wrecking ball. | ||
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puppykiller
United States3137 Posts
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ArvickHero
10387 Posts
On February 19 2011 14:15 tedster wrote: Bisu has done absolutely nothing to show he could compete in a starleague. He's great at multitasking and random 1-off games and thus wins a lot of proleague but his ability to play against a prepared opponent is absolutely dismal these days. that's what they were saying about Flash before he turned on god-mode. Dun dun dunnn....  On February 19 2011 16:13 TwoToneTerran wrote: I never got why anyone said this. Bisu playing at his peak never won two starleagues. Bisu's probably the most successful and consistent protoss, but his peak is nowhere near Flash's peak. Bisu won 2 starleagues back-to-back back in 07 and that wasn't even his peak ;o but I'm pretty sure LunarC was referring to Bisu's "peak play" would rival Flash's "peak play", which I would agree to. | ||
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scrubtastic
1166 Posts
"Bisu never won an OSL" "Bisu never dual-leagued" "Bisu's ELO peak is lower" "Flash is godike" and other things we already know that will no doubt be included in some Flash fanboy's response to that Anyway in 07-08 though Bisu was the closest thing to a protoss bonjwa. Definitely not now but he's currently got the best PvZ in the scene, good PvP, and enough PvT to win against weaker players at least. I'd say it's possible for Bisu to progress to the top in another SL but it will require lots of luck and avoiding Flash/Fantasy/Stork?/Shine? (lol) | ||
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fearus
China2164 Posts
There I said it. The other 2 are just more consistent than Bisu. | ||
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tbrown47
United States1235 Posts
On February 19 2011 17:09 fearus wrote: Bisu playing at his best is better than Flash or JD playing at their best. There I said it. The other 2 are just more consistent than Bisu. bisu fanboy :} i lol'd however i disagree with your statement, i think Flash is probably the strongest if they were all playing at their peaks, but that is just the nature of Terran, imo. | ||
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