EPT[T] The Reality of Progaming - Page 10
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InFdude
Bulgaria619 Posts
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TuElite
Canada2123 Posts
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eohs
United States677 Posts
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LanguageofObscenity
Australia1 Post
First of all, Pressian is a web-based daily newspaper which is pretty big compared to other leftist internet journals in South Korea. (probably the biggest among them i reckon?) . Fomos is much credited in the Starcraft fandom, but in fact Pressian is a much bigger journal in the web as a general media source. BUT, because these so-called 'progressive' or 'leftist' journals in South Korea weren't really dealing with/ aware of the problems in E-sports scene, Han, who is a member of the New Progressive Party (I know it's a ridiculous name but such party does actually exist), decided to write an article about it and published it on Pressian. After the release of the article, Pressian receievd a number of phone calls from unanimous readers and they protested saying that the E-sports scene doesn't work like that anymore, but we are assuming that these people are actually those who work in the field. (And of course, they are afraid that controversies regarding players' working environment become publicised) Becuase most South Koreans are business-inclined, their reaction to this kind of problems is usually this: "But if corporations withdraw, isn't that a greater difficulty?". So corporations do not really have any reluctance in exploiting workers, and they treat the players in pretty much the same manner. Han and his friends see that the fandom as a whole should take some sort of actions after the release of SCII. (read the article thoroughly again please if u r puzzled why choose not to take actions immediately) And if such action does really take place, Han says that he would really appreciate it if Team Liquid guyz can do something like a petition then (regardless of the form), coz many Koreans do really care about what foreigners say. lol | ||
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Justyen
United States4 Posts
On May 20 2010 22:50 LanguageofObscenity wrote: Hi everyone! I've got some messages fron Yoon-hyung Han, who's the author of the article. He asked me to translate his words since he can't really speak English. LOL. He wanted me to let you guys know some basic stuff about South-Korean media, E-sports scene, and ultimately himself. First of all, Pressian is a web-based daily newspaper which is pretty big compared to other leftist internet journals in South Korea. (probably the biggest among them i reckon?) . Fomos is much credited in the Starcraft fandom, but in fact Pressian is a much bigger journal in the web as a general media source. BUT, because these so-called 'progressive' or 'leftist' journals in South Korea weren't really dealing with/ aware of the problems in E-sports scene, Han, who is a member of the New Progressive Party (I know it's a ridiculous name but such party does actually exist), decided to write an article about it and published it on Pressian. After the release of the article, Pressian receievd a number of phone calls from unanimous readers and they protested saying that the E-sports scene doesn't work like that anymore, but we are assuming that these people are actually those who work in the field. (And of course, they are afraid that controversies regarding players' working environment become publicised) Becuase most South Koreans are business-inclined, their reaction to this kind of problems is usually this: "But if corporations withdraw, isn't that a greater difficulty?". So corporations do not really have any reluctance in exploiting workers, and they treat the players in pretty much the same manner. Han and his friends see that the fandom as a whole should take some sort of actions after the release of SCII. (read the article thoroughly again please if u r puzzled why choose not to take actions immediately) And if such action does really take place, Han says that he would really appreciate it if Team Liquid guyz can do something like a petition then (regardless of the form), coz many Koreans do really care about what foreigners say. lol Wow, awesome stuff. Thanks for the translation too @OP. | ||
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Boundz(DarKo)
5311 Posts
Today I am ashamed of watching esports hosted by KeSPA. Edit just read the 2nd post above me, thanks alot for that as well! (put it in OP?) | ||
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hacpee
United States752 Posts
On May 20 2010 20:07 Golden Ghost wrote: Really good article. It says out loud alot of things we already knew through the grapevine but don't (want to) think about when we watch the games. I really hope the top players can band together and can negotiate some better conditions with the teams but honestly I don't see it happening if the government doesn't step in. The government has to force the teams to comply with the labour rules or ALL progamers have to go on a strike. Only two ways I see a change happening. I think Starcraft would disappear if government got its greedy hands on it. Fact is that SC doesn't draw the fanbase to pay good salaries. There are no jersey sales, or high ticket prices, or an abundant amount of sponsors. Heck, MSL regularly has trouble finding sponsors! With the leagues begging for sponsors, the sponsors can pay whatever they want and if they don't get the good rates, they can just choose not to sponsor BW at all. | ||
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hacpee
United States752 Posts
On May 21 2010 02:07 Boundz(DarKo) wrote: Great informative article. Although most of us (who has been following the scene for a while) knew about this already, we rarely take the time and really think about what's really going on under the progaming logo's. Reading these salaries put out makes me really feel guilty. This is like children working in factories for no money at all. Today I am ashamed of watching esports hosted by KeSPA. Edit just read the 2nd post above me, thanks alot for that as well! (put it in OP?) If you're ashamed, then don't watch it. Or follow it. Speak with your actions, not with your words. | ||
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Nal_rAwr
United States2611 Posts
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Boundz(DarKo)
5311 Posts
On May 21 2010 02:29 hacpee wrote: If you're ashamed, then don't watch it. Or follow it. Speak with your actions, not with your words. I won't watch OSL finals. ....or maybe just those vod's :<> | ||
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Demand2k
Norway875 Posts
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Smurfa
Bulgaria11 Posts
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Mullet_Power
Canada64 Posts
I just don't know how it could be legal to get so much work out of someone and give them nothing. It would be interesting to here who is making money off of this and how much, specifically OGN and MBC. Thanks for translating l10f! Would have never guessed it was this bad. | ||
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Setz3R
United States455 Posts
On May 21 2010 05:28 Mullet_Power wrote: Wow I make more money then low end Proleague players working 20 hours a week at a bookstore...that's pretty bad. I just don't know how it could be legal to get so much work out of someone and give them nothing. It would be interesting to here who is making money off of this and how much, specifically OGN and MBC. Thanks for translating l10f! Would have never guessed it was this bad. Yeah its definitely not the life to lead...at least over there. I haven't heard of conditions like this in other games or in other countries so maybe its just KeSPA? I follow Cassandra and Grubby's WC3 adventures and they are like usually about Grubby practicing long hours of the day in internet cafes and other such places and then they go out to eat and watch movies or something lol. Like it really seems like he is following his dreams in that respect. Who knows though, I still think even after reading this the dreams of thousands is to be that professional gamer they watch online | ||
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StewKer
United States301 Posts
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Draconicfire
Canada2562 Posts
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Trezeguet
United States2656 Posts
On May 21 2010 08:42 Draconicfire wrote: Damn. I knew not everyone made 6 digits, but the amount they make for the work they put in is really harsh. Depends on what currency you are talking about... | ||
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zak
Korea (South)1009 Posts
i hope SC2 turns out better for the Koreans | ||
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fathead
United States158 Posts
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