EPTHow to beat Flash: Commentator Edition. - Page 3
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
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lone_hydra
Canada1460 Posts
On May 15 2010 10:28 Mortality wrote: I actually don't think that the only way to beat Flash is to hit him with something brand new. He's on the verge of "bonjwa" and is pretty much guaranteed to earn that title unless there is some divine intervention at work (pray to god, Jaedong, pray to god...). But Flash can lose, even without a revolution. You just have to step up to his level. The issue is that there's no one who looks like he can do it with any semblance of regularity. And that's why Flash will be crowned king. That's why Jaedong never was crowned king. That's what the "b-word" is all about. ...Ridiculously long post... And thats why, because its so hard to step up to his level right now, its better to try something new to beat Flash. But yes, he easily looks like he can be beaten in TvT and TvZ if you watch the games, but his TvP is just deadly. Zerg and terran players have to try to break a a thick wood plank with a karate chop, hard to do but everyone knows its possible. Besides Kal on a very good day, Flash just runs over Toss, I watch FvP, and its like the toss player is trying to break a steal wall with their fists. | ||
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
On May 15 2010 10:38 lone_hydra wrote: And thats why, because its so hard to step up to his level right now, its better to try something new to beat Flash. But yes, he easily looks like he can be beaten in TvT and TvZ if you watch the games, but his TvP is just deadly. Zerg and terran players have to try to break a a thick wood plank with a karate chop, hard to do but everyone knows its possible. Besides Kal on a very good day, Flash just runs over Toss, I watch FvP, and its like the toss player is trying to break a steal wall with their fists. Ironically, Flash considers TvP his weakest match-up. And frankly? I agree with his assessment. I wrote up a long and drawn out argument as to why I feel this way, but it sounded really weak when I read it so now it is deleted. Fundamentally speaking, I feel like Protoss players habitually let Flash get away calculated gambles. It's not really "luck" so much as metagame, which Flash seems to be on top of right now. The statistics say TvP is Flash's best right now. It's the only match-up where he hasn't dropped a loss in his last 10 games. He now has the longest TvP win streak in history. I don't normally argue against the statistics but my gut is practically screaming at me that there's more to this picture than the statistics alone will tell you. | ||
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J1.au
Australia3596 Posts
On May 15 2010 10:35 infinity2k9 wrote: Jaedong can do it tbh... his preparation for bo5 is immense. The power outrage joke is worn out, Jaedong could have done it himself then and he could do it now. Flash looks amazing of course, but i believe its easier to be consistent in terran matchups than zerg. The power outage wasn't a joke. It ruined what could've been the best series ever. It's easier to be more consistent at Terran? REALLY? Going down the list of top Terrans is like reading a who's who of inconsistent players. | ||
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gamapg
Philippines189 Posts
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nitdkim
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Durak
Canada3684 Posts
On May 15 2010 15:42 J1.au wrote: The power outage wasn't a joke. It ruined what could've been the best series ever. True. It was really too bad. However, it was still a pretty good series. On May 15 2010 15:42 J1.au wrote: It's easier to be more consistent at Terran? REALLY? Going down the list of top Terrans is like reading a who's who of inconsistent players. Nada's the man. | ||
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J1.au
Australia3596 Posts
On May 15 2010 15:50 Durak wrote: True. It was really too bad. However, it was still a pretty good series. Nada's the man. Nada isn't a top Terran anymore. I was refering to current ones. Here's the list. | ||
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imBLIND
United States2626 Posts
Statis is strong, but if used improperly, it creates a funnel for protoss units, which is really bad. Psi storm is even stronger, but templars are slow and easily sniped D Web is stronger than both of the previous spells, but it's also more expensive Feedback completely nullifies Vessels, but they're useless for anything else. If a toss can handle casting 4 spells at once, terran armies will melt considerably easier compared to using pure zeal/goon. But...this dream of mine is short-lived. | ||
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PoP
France15446 Posts
On May 15 2010 07:42 Plexa wrote: It was Stork, actually  but thats one popular misconception I'm not to worried about correcting lol. Pusan built upon what Stork brought to the table in the SLs.Hm, always thought it was Pusan. I was following almost 100% of the progames back then, then in a PvT game on Rush Hour 2 Pusan started building many arbiters and using them to stasis and stuff, so I thought it was coming from him. Must've missed a bunch of games then. Do you have a link to the first game Stork used them in? | ||
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bubblegumbo
Taiwan1296 Posts
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dtnmang
Vietnam752 Posts
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NicksonReyes
Philippines4431 Posts
On May 15 2010 16:36 imBLIND wrote: Protoss have killer spells vs terrans, but they often only use 1 or 2 of them at most. Statis is strong, but if used improperly, it creates a funnel for protoss units, which is really bad. Psi storm is even stronger, but templars are slow and easily sniped D Web is stronger than both of the previous spells, but it's also more expensive Feedback completely nullifies Vessels, but they're useless for anything else. If a toss can handle casting 4 spells at once, terran armies will melt considerably easier compared to using pure zeal/goon. But...this dream of mine is short-lived. 1.D web,just like storms,can be easily dodged except it doesnt deal damage and 125energy=tech 2.on feedback's case, You would only worry about vessels when recalling. They often emp the army but sometime they can't because of multitasking(they are doing other things). DAs are expensive your opponent will have more vessels than your DAs. 3. Effort won 3-0 Short-lived indeed | ||
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writer22816
United States5775 Posts
Even Artosis and Idra know that there's nothing terran can do | ||
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dtnmang
Vietnam752 Posts
On May 15 2010 19:26 writer22816 wrote: Forward rax into firebats.Just 12 nexus into dt drop. Even Artosis and Idra know that there's nothing terran can do | ||
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vietboi
Norway109 Posts
I play terran, i would go for: 14 CC --> Power Outage --> GG I win because kespa ref is tired of flash is dominating so much. | ||
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saltywet
Hong Kong1316 Posts
On May 15 2010 15:42 J1.au wrote: The power outage wasn't a joke. It ruined what could've been the best series ever. It's easier to be more consistent at Terran? REALLY? Going down the list of top Terrans is like reading a who's who of inconsistent players. u look at the list of top zergs, list of top protosses, then yeah, terrans are looking pretty consistent. i dont know if its me missing some fun games, but most of the games i watched nowadays are protosses trying to beat flash with gateway obs opening. kangmin beat flash with a reaver opening, m18m beat flash with DT opening, best beat flash last season when flash pushed out and got stopped by 4 storms that he didnt expect its clear that its going to be impossible to stop flash in a macro game | ||
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J1.au
Australia3596 Posts
You guys are right. Terrans are consistent; consistently worse than Protoss and Zerg. With the exception of Flash of course. | ||
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
On May 15 2010 20:13 J1.au wrote: + Show Spoiler + You guys are right. Terrans are consistent; consistently worse than Protoss and Zerg. With the exception of Flash of course. If you dont think terrans are the most consistent race in SC then you clearly know nothing. | ||
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dybydx
Canada1764 Posts
its like back when Nal_rA cannon rushed savior in his prime. the rush was very well thought out that would not have worked on any other map. you simply need to innovate some never-seen-before tricks to beat an opponent who's skills are clearly out of your league. | ||
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), but there's also been a shitload of (mostly aggressive) new Terran BOs, 12+ nexus, observer-less PvT (thanks to goons vs mines micro), etc etc.
