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InDaHouse
Profile Joined May 2008
Sweden956 Posts
May 15 2010 11:42 GMT
#61
Thanks for translation. I really like the idea to build cannons in proximity to your expos to stall Terran and storm to soften up the mech army. And that will maybe give additional protection against guerilla Vultures which do so much harass damage to tosses expos.

Couldn't agree more, we need to see more STORMUU
Stork protoss legend
J1.au
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Australia3596 Posts
May 15 2010 12:01 GMT
#62
On May 15 2010 20:24 SuperArc wrote:
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On May 15 2010 20:13 J1.au wrote:
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You guys are right. Terrans are consistent; consistently worse than Protoss and Zerg. With the exception of Flash of course.


If you dont think terrans are the most consistent race in SC then you clearly know nothing.

I'm clearly talking about recent Brood War. So I guess I do know something then?
Invictus
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Singapore2697 Posts
May 15 2010 12:20 GMT
#63
Protoss is a race tailored for micro + spells. The amount of multitasking required to do so is insane - apart from having godly game sense and macro, u must be able to perfectly micro ur army too. That was why bisu was raping people left and right during his prime - the sktt1 coaches said that compared to best in practice, he was lacking creativity and also was worser compared to best

However what made him stand out so much and his dominance in pvz last time was the ability of multitasking. The key thing that protosses need to do right now is not to macro a huge army to beat flash, rather macro a huge army and micro the huge army into success
Lee Jaedong Fighting!
Baddieko
Profile Joined October 2008
Singapore855 Posts
May 15 2010 13:03 GMT
#64
Flash sometimes think too much about what his opponent is doing which caused most of his losses. The best way to beat him is to fake, nal_ra couldn't have said it better. If u play straight up very likely u lose, only stork who don't fuck up can beat him using goon/zeal. Jangbi and kal aren't exceptional at ground forces in pvt, normally they need carriers/arbiters and harrass to work in their favour. Bisu had beaten him because he fake a lot builds in 2008. Flash perfected the art of terran's cost efficiency and play very defensive indeed.
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
May 15 2010 13:06 GMT
#65
The best part about this is now that the commentators have spoken of strategies that might beat Flash, Flash can now practice against those strategies and have a general counter/response to the threat. Woooooooooooo
Remember Violet.
Mykill
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada3402 Posts
May 15 2010 13:10 GMT
#66
dweb on mech would really crush it since they will automatically move back just storm that area
[~~The Impossible Leads To Invention~~] CJ Entusman #52 The problem with internet quotations is that they are hard to verify -Abraham Lincoln c.1863
Antisocialmunky
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5912 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-15 13:12:25
May 15 2010 13:11 GMT
#67
If the game actually goes Dweb Mass Sairs against mech ... that would be amazing.
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dtnmang
Profile Joined April 2010
Vietnam752 Posts
May 15 2010 13:19 GMT
#68
You KNOW Flash checks online SC communities for what people may say.
KT Roflster - the lulziest team of Proleague.
ShaSKiRa
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia344 Posts
May 15 2010 14:45 GMT
#69
On May 15 2010 22:19 dtnmang wrote:
You KNOW Flash checks online SC communities for what people may say.

^ this
I love FlaSh :) He gonna PWNED ALL OTHER RACE
Wings
Profile Joined January 2010
United States999 Posts
May 15 2010 14:53 GMT
#70
All I can say is... Good luck Effort. You will need all the help you can get.
The probability of Kim Carrier getting all those predictions wrong is similar to the probability Flash loses a TvT. Kim Carrier MUST BE a genius. His only big mistake... STORK.
lac29
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1485 Posts
May 15 2010 15:31 GMT
#71
Very nice translation ... thanks!
dtnmang
Profile Joined April 2010
Vietnam752 Posts
May 15 2010 15:43 GMT
#72
Watch out; Flash may actually be lurking this forum under a cleverly-crafted alias and with the use of an online translator engine and then say "lolol, noob foreigners"
KT Roflster - the lulziest team of Proleague.
Rostam
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2552 Posts
May 15 2010 15:47 GMT
#73
On May 15 2010 20:24 SuperArc wrote:
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On May 15 2010 20:13 J1.au wrote:
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You guys are right. Terrans are consistent; consistently worse than Protoss and Zerg. With the exception of Flash of course.


If you dont think terrans are the most consistent race in SC then you clearly know nothing.


Great argument! I am swayed.
BW forever || Thall
ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
May 15 2010 17:54 GMT
#74
Late game Dweb usage would be pretty cool and effective I would think
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EntertainMe
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
864 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-15 18:16:09
May 15 2010 18:15 GMT
#75
On May 15 2010 16:47 PoP wrote:
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On May 15 2010 07:42 Plexa wrote:
On May 15 2010 06:53 PoP wrote:
Yeah probably less so than other matchups but still.

Arbiters were a HUGE evolution (made popular by Pusan btw ), but there's also been a shitload of (mostly aggressive) new Terran BOs, 12+ nexus, observer-less PvT (thanks to goons vs mines micro), etc etc.

The way progamers used to play TvP back in the Boxer/Garimto era days has absolutely nothing in common with how it's played right now.

It was Stork, actually but thats one popular misconception I'm not to worried about correcting lol. Pusan built upon what Stork brought to the table in the SLs.


Hm, always thought it was Pusan. I was following almost 100% of the progames back then, then in a PvT game on Rush Hour 2 Pusan started building many arbiters and using them to stasis and stuff, so I thought it was coming from him.

Must've missed a bunch of games then. Do you have a link to the first game Stork used them in?


You're right, Pusan is the player who initiated Arbiter. And Anytime made it popular. At least, Pusan himself always claim to be the one who started in many episodes of Diwt Dahm Hwa.
EntertainMe
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
864 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-15 18:15:52
May 15 2010 18:15 GMT
#76
EDit: oops double post, sorry.
Emon_
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
3925 Posts
May 15 2010 19:02 GMT
#77
On May 15 2010 08:49 neobowman wrote:
They're probably going to crash a jumbo jet into the hanger just to try and 1-up the MSL in the screw-ups list.

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Weasel-
Profile Joined June 2009
Canada1556 Posts
May 16 2010 07:39 GMT
#78
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Snow did exactly what the commentators have suggested vs Flash, he recalled templars with the rest of his army to storm tanks. He also used the fleet beacon in his base to bait flash into pushing towards Snow's expos, but crushed the push with a large ground force and some great flanking. I don't recall seeing a single cannon though lol.
SuperJongMan
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Jamaica11586 Posts
May 16 2010 07:50 GMT
#79
The cannons were at 11 o clock with the fake base to stall.
You know.. you go up there, spread thin, get recalled on twice...
That's enough time for carriers.
Sweet.
POWER OVERWHELMING ! ! ! KRUU~ KRUU~
Emon_
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
3925 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-16 14:14:59
May 16 2010 09:44 GMT
#80
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Very well played by Snow. He could have gone either way once he had five bases up. The important thing is - he didn't blindly go for carriers as soon as he had the resources. He predicted Flash's timing push, dealt with it, and then took down the 10o'clock base accordingly. Cool as hell. Flash had no money left, no army to speak of and gg'd before the onslaught of carriers. Good game Snow. Flash got outplayed
"I know that human beings and fish can coexist peacefully" -GWB ||
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