EPT[Update] KeSPA Speaks Out On Intellectual Property Rights…
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Bosko
United States155 Posts
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Yurebis
United States1452 Posts
On May 05 2010 07:29 kmdarkmaster wrote: Well as far as I know the Korean government backs Kespa Meh I don't know if that's true, it makes a huge difference for me whether kespa got where it's at by work or by mandate, but few seem to care about that little detail to 100% confirm or deny... Nothing on the english website. I guess it would be fair to assume it's not (as much as I'd like to think it is, then proceed to bitch about it) but we'll never know until someone knowledgeable tells us | ||
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urashimakt
United States1591 Posts
On May 05 2010 07:29 kmdarkmaster wrote: Well as far as I know the Korean government backs Kespa and there is no f**king chance that a game company can "win" against a government. No government will want a foreign company to control every aspect of its national sport, so Blizz should know its position and be reasonable : just ask for money and don't ask for control, or else nothing good will come from this. Please don't make things up, you'll start rumors. The South Korean government does not back KeSPA in any substantial manner and the South Korean national sport is Tae Kwon Do. | ||
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Yurebis
United States1452 Posts
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iounas
409 Posts
What if every tournament had to pay a fee to blizz. Is that gonna happen or are these rules just for Korea which doesnt make sense.. When day9 has 10000 viewers watching starcraft livestream is making money trough their ads.. Are they gonna demand money from livestream or casters for broadcasts? How is it different in Korea other than its a bigger cow so more milk for them.. Blizz sucks ass.. | ||
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jpak
United States5045 Posts
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iounas
409 Posts
Not any different.. HDH got a sponsor that invested in the tournament and now they are getting some big exposure..656025 views in their thread alone with only first phase done.. And who knows how many million more on youtube.. And they are making profit out of starcraft.. Its all fine for your ass if only Korea is affected but it could spread very fast if it becomes more popular here.. | ||
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Zeridian
United States198 Posts
Since all of the KESPA following teams were not allowed to participate in gom. | ||
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dybydx
Canada1764 Posts
that being said, most of such agreements proposed by the vendor (ie blizzard) are EXTREMELY harsh. As a sub-licensee (ie KeSPA), you almost feel like you are getting strip searched and groped. so while it is the norm in north america, it is still very one-sided and disrespectful to your business partner. if you want to know how disgusting some of these agreements sound, just look at some of Microsoft EULA's. that being said, i think blizz got their business model wrong. frankly, i do not believe KeSPA want to see themselves as subsidiary of blizzard and i do not believe blizz has IP rights over this matter. i find it perfectly normal for KeSPA or MBC or OGN to profit from broadcasting games and running tourneys without paying one dime to blizz. think about it friends, if blizz has IP rights over replays and broadcasts, what is going to happen to the fan community? does our TSL pay royalties? does every time you share your replay violate blizz IP rights? blizz is simply absurd on their demands | ||
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iounas
409 Posts
On May 05 2010 08:28 dybydx wrote: hey guys, i've actually translated some IP documents from English to Chinese previously at work and based on what i've seen what blizzard is asking for is rather "normal" for this type of business. that being said, most of such agreements proposed by the vendor (ie blizzard) are EXTREMELY harsh. As a sub-licensee (ie KeSPA), you almost feel like you are getting strip searched and groped. so while it is the norm in north america, it is still very one-sided and disrespectful to your business partner. if you want to know how disgusting some of these agreements sound, just look at some of Microsoft EULA's. that being said, i think blizz got their business model wrong. frankly, i do not believe KeSPA want to see themselves as subsidiary of blizzard and i do not believe blizz has IP rights over this matter. i find it perfectly normal for KeSPA or MBC or OGN to profit from broadcasting games and running tourneys without paying one dime to blizz. think about it friends, if blizz has IP rights over replays and broadcasts, what is going to happen to the fan community? does our TSL pay royalties? does every time you share your replay violate blizz IP rights? blizz is simply absurd on their demands And not only that but all players that are top 10 in pro ladder must sign a contract that blizz owns and controls them and whatever was said in that last article.. | ||
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jungsu
United States279 Posts
Blizzard gets ZERO DOLLARS for a pirated game. | ||
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Reborn8u
United States1761 Posts
MLG has sponsors like red bull, doritos, dr. pepper,HP and stride. They are also partnered with ESPN for broadcasting. So if MLG can come to an agreement with Blizzard maybe they're not so unreasonable and wanting to run e-sports as everyone says. MLG also has theyre own ranked playlist on xbox live for halo3, called MLG. Funny they seem to know how to work with the game creators of halo3 Bungie and Microsoft. Work with Blizzard but Kespa can't. And yes WOW is just retarded as an esport, but it says something that they were willing to try it out. | ||
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Uncle Leo
60 Posts
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Brett
Australia3820 Posts
On May 05 2010 08:28 dybydx wrote: think about it friends, if blizz has IP rights over replays and broadcasts, what is going to happen to the fan community? does our TSL pay royalties? does every time you share your replay violate blizz IP rights? blizz is simply absurd on their demands I don't think you've actually thought that analogy through properly... Via your analogy: Blizz = Blizz Kespa = TL SKT, Samsung, Korean Air etc etc = Pokerstrategy.com OSL = TSL The glaring differences? TL has zero control over player contracts etc. TL does not, to our knowledge, make profit for what it does; it is run purely from the hard work, dedication and sacrifice of the community. Mods are not paid wages for this. Ken, HB etc TL generates buzz, hype, interest etc for Blizzard without raking in large sums of money for itself/stakeholders. Now consider what Kespa does, the scale on which they do it, and why they do it... and you will see why Blizzard has a vested interest in: a) securing a portion of the revenue that their hard work allows for b) protecting the IP itself from poor management, scandal et al I really don't understand any sentiment that this exercising of rights is a threat to fan communities... The rights of national sporting leagues to exercise control over players associations and broadcasting corporations do not infringe upon local, suburban sporting leagues, fan clubs etc. | ||
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TuElite
Canada2123 Posts
I only want what's best for e-sports and KeSPA look like the good guys in this battle. I hope they can find a way to sort things through but I highly doubt that will ever happen  That being side, MLG is a GREAT organization that really cares about their players, sponsors, etc. If a league could achieve mainstream success similar to what's seen in Korea, MLG's is definitely on the forefront ! | ||
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Taku
Canada2036 Posts
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Kazeyonoma
United States2912 Posts
On May 05 2010 09:52 Taku wrote: I don't know why people seem to belittle kespa's role in getting sponsors and ensuring everything runs, if not reasonably well. I mean come on, freaking Korean Air is sponsoring the OSL. Can you see United or American Airlines ever sponsoring a starcraft tournament? This is short sighted, just like many MAJOR corporations in america sponsor sports teams, the simple fact is that eSports hasn't caught on that big yet, but we do already have teams sponsors by the likes of Subway. So it's not beyond the american market, the only thing the american market is lacking is marketing, and if blizzard throws its backing behind it, it can totally survive. | ||
rotinegg
United States1719 Posts
On May 05 2010 10:01 Kazeyonoma wrote: This is short sighted, just like many MAJOR corporations in america sponsor sports teams, the simple fact is that eSports hasn't caught on that big yet, but we do already have teams sponsors by the likes of Subway. So it's not beyond the american market, the only thing the american market is lacking is marketing, and if blizzard throws its backing behind it, it can totally survive. not sure about that last statement bro you can't throw around assumptions like that to back your argument. WoW is probably having one of the biggest successes any game has ever had in terms of exposure, but that doesn't necessarily equate mass inception of progamers and teams. There are other factors that made starcraft work in Korea, you can't just condense every reason why it hasn't worked in NA to 'lack of exposure.' | ||
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HeartOfTofu
United States308 Posts
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bias-
United States410 Posts
This whole thing makes me sick to my stomach. I've stopped watching SC due to match throwing + gag order on everyone. This does not help at all. Watching what used to be my favorite company (now it's part Activision, a big part) deteriorate to this really saddens me. I understand they're a business, but with how much they make from WoW alone, this is just.... disgusting. | ||
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