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[Update] KeSPA Speaks Out On Intellectual Property Rights…
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TriniMasta
United States1323 Posts
really informative and surprising... | ||
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Gtks
Greece135 Posts
What is going on in Korea is KeSPAS development and NOT Blizzards. Blizzard can creat their own legaue if they want and to try to make it succeffull if they can then may drow sponsors and to start getting their money if this what they want something that all these years NEVER did. | ||
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guoguo
United States121 Posts
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LegendaryZ
United States1583 Posts
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
On May 05 2010 02:46 TeH_CaRnAg3 wrote: Hmm, these results are pretty much the opposite of what happened last time. | ||
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
Both Kespa and Blizzard seem to have good points in their respective threads and we know too little about this to take a strong standpoint. I hope that in the end, this doesn't make things worse for the starcraft-fans. | ||
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Zzoram
Canada7115 Posts
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Radiomouse
Netherlands209 Posts
On May 05 2010 07:12 jpak wrote: I'm just gonna repost this and let you read it. "Blizzard already has enough money, and it's never, NEVER a good idea to allow anyone invested in the game or a team to handle organizing or broadcasting a sport. If we allow Blizzard to organize they won't pick the most entertaining players, they'll pick the ones they can convince to push their product, and the broadcasts will be swamped with commercials for their games. You NEED a neutral third party to handle organizing and broadcasting the tournaments, and kespa fits. This is why the MLB or NFL don't have their own channels, we get coverage from a third party like ESPN instead who put entertainment (i.e. ratings) before commercialism. If it were still the 90s I would totally trust Blizz with doing whatever they want, they could do no wrong. But after Burning Crusade... I'm skeptical SC2 won't gut all my favorite characters for not appealing to every last one of the potential 10 gazillion "consumers" and screw over the balancing because the noobs didn't want to bother with the early game and just want to play fastest and send BCs and Carriers at each other. " 1. No company has enough money. 2. KeSPA isn't a neutral party. 3. Blizzard has a better track record in not screwing over fans of their games than KeSPA has. | ||
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LordLastDay
34 Posts
Blizzard sees Kespa wants to use Starcraft, Blizzard's "child" as they please. While the goal of any company is to make money I have no doubts that the guys at Blizzard have a strong emotional attachment to what they've created. It's painfully obvious if you listen to a lot of Blizzcasts and interviews. The thought of KeSPA doing whatever they please with Starcraft is no doubt very unpleasant to Blizzard. "We worked on this game for so long and now we are to hand the rights to these hooligans? No way in hell." Just look at how Battle.net 2.0 requests your real name to make you take consequences for your actions and you see how Blizzard wants to have a high level of control. I'm not saying either side is wrong or right (can't be that simple if companies had negotiations, right?), but I trust Blizzard more personally, even if it's a bit unsettling when a company wants so much control. | ||
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shalafi
394 Posts
On May 05 2010 17:31 Radiomouse wrote: 1. No company has enough money. 2. KeSPA isn't a neutral party. 3. Blizzard has a better track record in not screwing over fans of their games than KeSPA has. You should research about how Blizzard managed WoW tournaments. (And they care a lot more about WoW than SC2) | ||
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ProoM
Lithuania1741 Posts
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MaYuu
Sweden516 Posts
On May 05 2010 17:31 Radiomouse wrote: 1. No company has enough money. 2. KeSPA isn't a neutral party. 3. Blizzard has a better track record in not screwing over fans of their games than KeSPA has. Blizzard is well known for screwing die-hard fans over. All they care about is casual gamers, and that is those who buy the game play it until the next big title comes out (blizz or not). They don't get money for how much we play, they get their money once they sold a copy. | ||
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Lyrok
Germany85 Posts
On May 05 2010 18:14 MaYuu wrote: Blizzard is well known for screwing die-hard fans over. All they care about is casual gamers, and that is those who buy the game play it until the next big title comes out (blizz or not). Care to elaborate? Unless this is something WoW specific. I'm kinda on the fence about this, while Blizzard seems to have some really strange requests, I can understand that they don't want "ggg? Auto loss!" Kespa to use their game and do what they want with it. | ||
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Oddysay
Canada597 Posts
On May 05 2010 16:42 Lightwip wrote: Hmm, these results are pretty much the opposite of what happened last time. we got great source of info now on what realy going on , and we know blizzard are the one greedy now  im starting to hate blizzard ( not game they make the best ! ) but the big boss behind all who care only about get more money . | ||
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MaYuu
Sweden516 Posts
On May 05 2010 19:24 Lyrok wrote: Care to elaborate? Unless this is something WoW specific. I'm kinda on the fence about this, while Blizzard seems to have some really strange requests, I can understand that they don't want "ggg? Auto loss!" Kespa to use their game and do what they want with it. Wow-arena is a good example, Blizzard killing of the "e-sports" aspect of it with allowing only them to arrange tournaments. (Dreamhack has a arena relam for when that LAN takes place that is twice a year) All the Wow coverage by major sites got severely cut back after MLG and other gaming corporations when they just could not afford the money blizzard wanted from them. Another thing is with Wc3 where the same old maps were played OVER and OVER again and Blizzard did nothing to help that. The community screamed for a balance patch to happen but it never did. Undead remained weak in pro-gaming scene. | ||
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KristianJS
2107 Posts
Both Kespa and Blizzard are engaged in this standoff because of money, that's it. Neither Blizzard nor Kespa represent some idealistic vision (get the impression a lot of people think of Blizzard as pure and virtuous...), they're just big companies fighting over control of a market. I have no clue who will win or what the outcome will be, nor do I really know what's more "fair" (both sides can make a good case) but honestly I'm not too worried. There IS a market for SC and hopefully for SC2 soon as well, and 'market's abhor a vacuum' so at the end of the day it's not like everything will collapse. I guess at worst things will be shifted around a bit. Maybe I'm being naive here, but that's what I reckon... | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5656 Posts
The reason people think that a true esports scene won't flourish without KeSPA is becase KeSPA = corporate sponsors, broadcasting companies, regulatory body, etc. Can you imagine a lively esport scene without 11 progaming teams, OGN & MBC and a governing body? You're talking about some mysterious company replacing KeSPA, but exactly what company do you think would be able to replace the corporate sponsors behind the progaming teams, the broadcasting TV stations and at the same time regulate the whole sport? The companies who are already involved with the StarCraft esports scene, members of KeSPA for the most part, are some of the biggest corporations in Korea. It's not exactly easy to replace them. On May 05 2010 07:03 Lokian wrote: Why are the teams owned by KesPA? And why can't Blizzard host tournaments? LOL, why are the teams owned by KeSPA? Maybe because KeSPA members are paying all their expenses and basically created/bought them? T__________________________T Blizzard can host the tournaments, but I'll watch any KeSPA run event over something as crappy as BlizzCon anytime. T____T I can see why KeSPA responded compulsively and everyone believing them, but really, if we check out what has happened so far, its Blizzard being blocked from the pro-gaming scene and KeSPA seizing full control in eSports. More like it was a direct response to Blizzard removing LAN among other things. ;; Either KeSPA change their attitude toward property rights or teams should go back to being individually owned. They ARE individually owned... T_____T Sigh... If KeSPA shares their property rights, then it would be the best for e-Sports. With their little plan to block other organization from the scene makes competitive starcraft a little skeptical. We all saw how gomTV was taken down, who knows how true these competitions are if they're able to control the players like that. For all we know, these matches could be set up to produce entertainment rather than competition. For KeSPA to share the teams, this would all be resolved. GOMTV going down was collateral damage. LOL, KeSPA shouls share the teams? With whom? Are you nuts? The rightful owners (SKT, KT, WeMade, MBC, etc. - members of KeSPA) should share the teams with Blizzard for nothing? LOL | ||
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AyJay
1515 Posts
On May 05 2010 16:42 Lightwip wrote: Hmm, these results are pretty much the opposite of what happened last time. That's why opinion which side is right in this forums = useless | ||
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shenlong
219 Posts
What happend in the last season of GOM Averatec-Intel Classic. Didn't kespa deprive the blizzard sponsored tournament of players in the league? "Blizzard made other unreasonable requests beyond the rights of the copyright holder, such as royalties and sub-licensing fees on sponsorships and broadcasting fees, the right to audit KeSPA’s finances, as well as ownership of secondary content created through our unique resources in the teams, players, and broadcasting expertise." Blizzard has every right to do this, as for as collecting royalties and sub-licensing fees on sponsorships and broadcasting. Its their game they've created, their entitled to that. To degrade them of those rights is crooked and wrong. imo kespa should get their heads cleared and stop being as greedy as usual. those are my 2 cents in this -ZeroMicro | ||
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LegendaryZ
United States1583 Posts
On May 05 2010 19:24 Lyrok wrote: Care to elaborate? Unless this is something WoW specific. Well WoW is the biggest current example since it's Blizzard's major cash cow. For other examples, look at SC, D2, and WC3. All of them lack serious ladders and antihacks which ultimately forced 3rd parties to do the job Blizzard should have been doing if they actually cared about maintaining a competitive environment for serious gamers. Blizzard has no track record of successfully handling a competitive game and they've historically flaked on older games once they sold their copies and released a new game. I don't understand why people are suddenly inclined to trust them now... They've done nothing to deserve such confidence from the community. They make wonderful games. They just suck at managing them... | ||
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