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On April 25 2010 19:12 Jaester88 wrote:Finally, some actual information about the contents of the negotiation. I think I may reserve my judgment before I see more sources stating the same thing, but from the way it's expressed now, it does seem like Blizzard is the one being too greedy. Particularly, I didn't know Blizzard wasn't supporting LAN use for SC2. That seems like a decision they made essentially solely for the purpose of gaining more leverage on this issue. (I can't think of any other possible reason they would have done that.) If indeed everything said in that article is true, it does seem unlikely that any organization will back Blizzard in establishing an SC2 e-sports scene in Korea. But again, I'll reserve judgment before I see more sources. P.S. Milkis is an awesome drink. The only Korean soda I enjoy drinking.
ye awesome...if we spoke korean. Jesus.
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This isn't surprising, I trust Blizzard.
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Kespa are like the pirates, they're refusing to accept the fact that they don't own BW. It's so childish.
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On April 25 2010 12:20 Waxangel wrote:
Yonhap: There are high expectations for Starcraft II
MM: Very high for us. Not just the multiplayer, but the single player experience is the best we've ever made. The original did so incredibly well in Korea that it will be hard to surpass that, but we are going to break the original's sales records worldwide.
I think blizzard doesn't really care about the competitive nature of the game very much...they are going to make way more money by their sales rather than potential tournaments down the road.
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On April 25 2010 20:15 omg.deus wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2010 12:20 Waxangel wrote:
Yonhap: There are high expectations for Starcraft II
MM: Very high for us. Not just the multiplayer, but the single player experience is the best we've ever made. The original did so incredibly well in Korea that it will be hard to surpass that, but we are going to break the original's sales records worldwide.
I think blizzard doesn't really care about the competitive nature of the game very much...they are going to make way more money by their sales rather than potential tournaments down the road.
And do you think they would sell so many games without e-sports? I doubt it.
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On April 25 2010 20:13 Osmoses wrote:
Kespa are like the pirates, they're refusing to accept the fact that they don't own BW. It's so childish.
Can you please read the thread before you post?
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On April 25 2010 20:26 J1.au wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2010 20:13 Osmoses wrote:
Kespa are like the pirates, they're refusing to accept the fact that they don't own BW. It's so childish. Can you please read the thread before you post?
Well, it's true. Blizzard owns Starcraft. If you don't like it, then create your own damn game.
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On April 25 2010 19:59 bLah. wrote:
Who cares about kespa in sc2? We watched progamers from korea in sc1 because we didn't have any here, but now they are not better. Skill level is everywhere the same and why should we even watch koreans :/
sc2 will be global thing and they won't have monopoly. I don't even care if koreans will play the game or not, there are already a lot of euro/usa tournaments which are great.
I agree with this, its not like Sc1 progamers are going to switch to Sc2 for the next few years anyways, blizzard cutting ties with KeSpa would actually help that process along.
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Poll: Do you support Blizzard or KeSPA?Blizzard FTW (76) 59% KeSPA FTW (35) 27% fu.... (10) 8% I dont care, TeamLiquid FTW (8) 6% 129 total votes Your vote: Do you support Blizzard or KeSPA? (Vote): Blizzard FTW
(Vote): KeSPA FTW
(Vote): I dont care, TeamLiquid FTW
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In a worst case scenario, all Korean Starcraft tournaments that run through KeSPA may be forced to stop.
This would make me very sad but god damn would it feel good to see Blizzard put KeSPA in their place.
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On April 25 2010 18:46 infinity2k9 wrote:
Also i'm surprised anyone is that excited to get GomTV back considering how sloppy it all was in almost every way.
That's funny... I got back into watching Starcraft specifically because of GOM. I finally signed up for TL because of GOM. I would ignore pretty much everything else and just watch GOM because it was by far the most interesting... If it weren't for them, my 4+ year hiatus would still be going strong.
If anything, GOM showed that Kespa isn't needed. Yes, the on-screen product would be mildly inferior for the first bit, but the gap between foreign and korean skill will be much smaller this time around... It's not like the koreans are a super gaming race; they just practiced more because they had the incentive to do so.
In my view, most of the current pro-gamers would more or less disappear from the scene for a while, most likely until their current contract with their team/Kespa expired. After that, money & passion talks. You know that the majority of Koreans, including pro-gamers, will try out the game and some will find the game fun. If the money's in SC2, you'll still eventually see some of them in SC2, regardless of what Kespa thinks. Then again, it won't matter if the current pro-gamers eventually show up or not because there will be newer, brighter stars that replace them.
Whoever linked the contents of the negotiations between Kespa and Blizzard hurt their own point more than anything. Everything in there seemed on the up-and-up and pretty standard...
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This thread makes me sigh. So much anti-KeSPA ignorance.
KeSPA is Korean Brood War. If it fails, so will the professional scene. I honestly can't believe some people here would be ok with that.
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if you make cars and your engine supplier tells you that the terms of the deal are changing, you really dont have much of a choice other than to (a) make the engine in-house, or (b) find another OEM supplier.
Blizzard is supplying the "parts" that Kespa uses to create the end product it delivers to its users. The relationship was analogous to the "codestiny" situation of many large scale manufactuers, much like Delphi and GM, Bosch and German automakers, Intel and PC makers, etc. Both sides NEED to give ground to find a common point in order for business to continue. The only catch is that Blizzard up until now didn't gain any direct profit from supplying kespa with its product (though it surely did capitzalize indirectly through marketing of its brand name, turning it into increased revenue for Wow etc). So while the structure was similar to codestiny, the essence of the interaction wasn't quite so. Honestly, I am not sure how Kespa sees themselves finding another "supplier" in the future... I guess their business is esports, so they can find another video game (which is the product they purchase and then repackage to the consumer) to create a prodcut with...
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If blizzard does anything to fuck up the BW scene in korea as it is now I'm gonna hate Blizzard for the rest of my life.
However I don't think they will and concerning SC2 I do think this is a good thing, I see great blizzard/gom cooperation for the future, Tasteless is gonna bring us great coverage/casting of korean pros, day9 is gonna be hired by some company to bring us great coverage/casting of top americans/europeans and everythings gonna be perfect!!!! Aaaaaah.
I just wish that korean pro teams stopped defending kespa so hard. It's obvious why SKT does it but I dont get why all other teams do as well.
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On April 25 2010 22:13 7mk wrote:
If blizzard does anything to fuck up the BW scene in korea as it is now I'm gonna hate Blizzard for the rest of my life.
However I don't think they will and concerning SC2 I do think this is a good thing, I see great blizzard/gom cooperation for the future, Tasteless is gonna bring us great coverage/casting of korean pros, day9 is gonna be hired by some company to bring us great coverage/casting of top americans/europeans and everythings gonna be perfect!!!! Aaaaaah.
I just wish that korean pro teams stopped defending kespa so hard. It's obvious why SKT does it but I dont get why all other teams do as well.
KeSPA is the Korean Pro Teams! Especially SKT.
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If KeSPA can't strike a deal, then it serves them right that Blizzard takes them down :<
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On April 25 2010 18:10 StarcraftMan wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2010 17:47 igotmyown wrote:
It's insulting to korean judges to say they will automatically side with whatever the business/government wants. They're respected professionals, not stupid puppets.
. Because you're assuming Korean courts will judge equally for both a foreign company and a local company, which is not necessarily the case. Korean courts and the Korean government are inclined to protect their own businesses, not foreign businesses. Just recently, Taiwan was forced to enforce intellectual property more strictly due to international pressure: http://www.pcworld.com/article/129642/taiwan_gets_serious_about_intellectual_property.htmlWhat about the "respected professional judges" in Taiwan? LOL, you are so lost on this issue, it's laughable. You have a poor understanding of how Asian businesses, governments, and their courts work. They will protect themselves first, until they succumb to international pressure.
Once again you're showing you don't understand the distinction between policies and law. Policies guide the law. But once the law is set, you can't blatantly ignore it just because it benefits you. This isn't 1960's korea.
http://www.buildingipvalue.com/n_ap/397_399.htm
Korean courts are generally protective of IP rights
In general, Korean courts are protective of IP rights, thanks to, inter alia, establishment of the Patent Court, designation of IP panels in certain district courts and the increased number of IP related cases. Comparatively speaking, the ability of an IP-holder to enforce his rights in Korea and the US are relatively similar. Transparent laws govern enforcement rights and proceedings in an impartial manner. Thus, for example, the sudden, arbitrary revocation or suspension of legal rights is not a concern. With regard to the chances of success for a foreign IP-holder, at the least, Korean courts do not show any unreasonable bias against foreign IP-holders compared with courts of other countries.
http://www.thekoreanlawblog.com/search/label/Intellectual Property
Korean Copyright Law provides that copyright infringers may be held liable in civil court and even punished in criminal court. In recent years, the Korean prosecution has been vigorous in prosecuting copyright infringers and the court system has been more willing to hand out sizeable monetary damages in the civil court and jail sentences for repeat offenders in criminal courts.
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If Blizzard's registered it, has korean legal representation, then a strong case for SC broadcasting being blizzard's intellectual property has a good chance of being upheld by a korean court. Unless of course their legal system is a nationalistic sham and all those laws are BS as you suggest.
It would be nice to know what a knowledgeable korean law expert thinks of this (say the lawyer who runs the korean law blog) as opposed to oversimplified opinions.
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It's really beyond me how some posters here would back KeSPA - maybe they haven't followed eSport long enough to know how KeSPA has constantly fucked up eSports themselves in the last few years? KeSPA is not hated for no reason.
Blizzard created SC1 and SC2 and they certainly deserve royalties from broadcasting their games. Saying Blizzard has earned indirectly from SC1 progaming success to defend KeSPA is just plain stupid. Look at how hard KeSPA tried to promote other games - did they get any success? There can be only one Blizzard and Starcraft, but there will be many organisations being capable of what KeSPA did (well maybe except fucking up with refereeing, FA and slavery contracts that what KeSPA masters at lol)
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On April 25 2010 20:15 omg.deus wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2010 12:20 Waxangel wrote:
Yonhap: There are high expectations for Starcraft II
MM: Very high for us. Not just the multiplayer, but the single player experience is the best we've ever made. The original did so incredibly well in Korea that it will be hard to surpass that, but we are going to break the original's sales records worldwide.
I think blizzard doesn't really care about the competitive nature of the game very much...they are going to make way more money by their sales rather than potential tournaments down the road.
Excuse me?
You saying the creator of the best competitive gaming titles in history "doesn't care about the competitive nature of their games very much"??
Have you been following SC2's development at all? Half of the effort Blizzard invested in SC2 is to make it a competitive, esport game.
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