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RiverD
United Kingdom4 Posts
What do you get when you take 495 out of 500 of the worlds best players out of the NFL...? Oh right they did that, it is called the UFL. This is the US national sport and 99% of people will not watch that. Anyone care to list the sponsors of the UFL... right? So an international community with limited E-Sports grounding or history without any of the games marquee names Flash, Jaedong or Stork etc. Trying to break in against 100's of more popular sports? Prospects seem slim huh. | ||
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randombum
United States2378 Posts
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Art.FeeL
1163 Posts
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
edit: also i think some people are just mad at KeSPA for certain other events. | ||
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vek
Australia936 Posts
On April 25 2010 18:04 mahnini wrote: the funny thing is blizzard is actually the one taking the steps to professionalize progaming in this case and kespa is refusing because it doesn't want to lose profits. if the gaming industry starts receiving royalties for large broadcasts like the ones in korea they would be much more motivated to develop games that cater to the progaming scene aka what blizzard is trying to do with sc2. What steps have they taken? All I have seen is Blizzard trying to limit what people can do with the game so that they make more money (no lan, region realm lock (how they hell does this help competition)). Blizzard has done nothing for esports, it was Blizzard itself that destroyed WoW's competitive scene when they forced a major tournament to use a new completely imbalanced patch and it has never recovered. Remember it is barely the same company that made Brood War and they haven't made a decent game since Diablo 2, Activision Blizzard likes money and they do not care about whether or not foreign esports is a sucess. This is why you see them trying to latch on to an already successful model in Korea and milk it for free money rather than creating a foreign scene. If Blizzard actually cared we would see a Blizzard Starleague USA but no, they don't want to take risks or try to improve the foreign scene. All they want is money, which is fine, but don't fall into the trap that Blizzards involvement in the pro scene will help SC2. I don't particularly like KeSPA either but in this case I believe they are the lesser of the two evils. | ||
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quietrio
United States21 Posts
[QUOTE]On April 25 2010 18:04 mahnini wrote: I don't particularly like KeSPA either but in this case I believe they are the lesser of the two evils.[/QUOTE] I can't agree with you more. | ||
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NicolBolas
United States1388 Posts
On April 25 2010 13:58 T.O.P. wrote: Jaester88 knows what he's talking about. Kespa has the power of the Korean government and Korean People. Blizzard can talk about how Kespa violates their intellectual property. But I guarantee you that the Korean courts will back Kespa. Blizzard needs to recognize that and work with Kespa to figure out a solution, even if it means giving up all the esports dollars in Korea, at least they can earn money from game sales. That's the cost of doing business in Asia. That's not how it works. If the Korean courts will back KeSPA regardless of whether KeSPA is in the right or not, then the Korean courts are corrupt. If the "cost of doing business in Asia" is dealing with corrupt agencies of corrupt governments, then the "cost of doing business in Asia" is too high. Blizzard should take their ball and go home. On April 25 2010 14:41 Go0g3n wrote: Because the game is not recognized by Kespa, progamers, as owners of the license will be forbidden to play televised (if there will be any) matches, and there in fact will be no StarCraft 2 progamers at all in Korea. You mean, there will be no SC1 progamers in Korea. KeSPA cannot make people not play SC2 for money unless they're already part of the KeSPA system. It's all a question of how successful SC2 becomes. KeSPA only exists because of the popularity of SC1. If SC2 becomes very popular, KeSPA could easily be frozen out. What does it matter that you're not a KeSPA-sanctioned pro player when you're able to play at Blizzard-sponsored tournaments for money? What do you get when you take 495 out of 500 of the worlds best players out of the NFL...? Oh right they did that, it is called the UFL. This is the US national sport and 99% of people will not watch that. Anyone care to list the sponsors of the UFL... right? All it takes is one player. | ||
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Kwanroller
Afghanistan459 Posts
Seriously speaking, would any fairly casual gamer go to a stadium to cheer for some pasty, scrawny, spectacle-wearing white guy beat other alpha nerds at a video game? Most of the time proleague is pretty empty and the current MSL has a crazy amount of empty seats in the Ro16 - note that these events are completely free and you don't have to pay cash to watch them live. The Korean Air OSL is doing far better but the OSL has always been good with generating a large audience and hype. However the viewership of the EVER OSL finals between Flash and Movie just shows that for a video game its amazing but in reality its not a very impressive number at all. Everyone thinking Blizzard can just walk in and push forward eSports must be kidding themselves - the Blizzard sponsored GOMTV Leagues were extremely unimpressive in basically every way except for perhaps the games. eSports will always be a niche sport due to its image. There really isn't much you can do to change its image but hope everyone who plays the game has the build of Reach and has the charisma of Boxer. (Not talking about Blizzard or Kespa being greedy/dickheads/dog rapists here) | ||
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Mallard
United States129 Posts
On April 25 2010 18:20 infinity2k9 wrote: Blizzard is a games developer so how about they stick to that and make the game actually appropriate for professional play (ie. put lan back in and don't show previous games played on bnet ffs) and leave the actual eSports organizing to others. The fact that you don't like the features or aspects of the game has nothing to do with this situation. The people who want to play the game "professionally" will decide if is appropriate for that or not. Also, I think it is pretty logical to assume that official/professional tournaments will be played on a local server and not on battle.net. They do this with WoW tournaments already. Which may even be a part of the issue. If you want a professional tournament you are going to need their blessing. Exactly how they seem to want it to be. | ||
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Zuchinni_one
United States35 Posts
It's insulting to korean judges to say they will automatically side with whatever the business/government wants. They're respected professionals, not stupid puppets. Are you sure? I know that Kim Jong Il is a puppet ... ![[image loading]](http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/Everyone%20Else/images/kim-jong-il-in-team-america.jpg) | ||
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Eury
Sweden1126 Posts
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Zuchinni_one
United States35 Posts
KeSPA needs to sit down, shut the fuck up, and mind their manners. KeSPA needs to know that they are dealing with Blizzard; the eternal will of the Starcraft IP, and that KeSPA has been created to serve them. Behold that Blizzard has tried to set them amongst the greatest of their creations, that they might benefit from the wisdom and experience of their maker. Yet KeSPA's purpose is unique. While others carry forth to the innumerable other IPs, they have but one charge entrusted to their care: E-Sports. + Show Spoiler + Kudos if you got my reference And yet, they are failing at that one objective :\ I think you need to Overmind your manners. You make it sound like someone is trying to Hatch some evil plan! | ||
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haster27
Taiwan809 Posts
On April 25 2010 18:14 RiverD wrote: Let us go for a realllly basic analogy for people who think SC2 will flourish as an E-sport without KeSPA/Korea. What do you get when you take 495 out of 500 of the worlds best players out of the NFL...? Oh right they did that, it is called the UFL. This is the US national sport and 99% of people will not watch that. Anyone care to list the sponsors of the UFL... right? So an international community with limited E-Sports grounding or history without any of the games marquee names Flash, Jaedong or Stork etc. Trying to break in against 100's of more popular sports? Prospects seem slim huh. This is the argument I saw popping up here and there, and let me tell you I do not believe this to be true. Currently looking at the development of foreign & Korean community, it will be likely that both is going to share similar skill levels unlike SC1. Of course, the very fact that Korean pros get more practice time than average foreign player nullifies my argument also since more practice = better skill, but just wanted to point out this ridiculous misconception going around. | ||
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
On April 25 2010 18:32 Mallard wrote: The fact that you don't like the features or aspects of the game has nothing to do with this situation. The people who want to play the game "professionally" will decide if is appropriate for that or not. Also, I think it is pretty logical to assume that official/professional tournaments will be played on a local server and not on battle.net. They do this with WoW tournaments already. Which may even be a part of the issue. If you want a professional tournament you are going to need their blessing. Exactly how they seem to want it to be. It does have to do with the situation because it flies in the face of their claims to try and advance eSports when they are deliberately putting features in which make it more difficult. Its not an advantage to anyone except Blizzard. Lets think of an alternate situation where Blizzard just leaves Korea to its own thing... Starcraft 2 will be broadcasted much faster, with the structure already in place and no animosity between Blizzard/Korea. Sure they don't get paid royalties, but they get their brand new game broadcast on TV all the time and it will undoubtedly be more of a success there and result in more sales. Yet instead they decide to alienate them completely ignoring the fact that Brood War competitively is going fine and does not need any interference. If Blizzard cares so much about the advancement of eSports then why exactly are they trying to get in on the single country which already has a completely developed competitive scene? Also i'm surprised anyone is that excited to get GomTV back considering how sloppy it all was in almost every way. | ||
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chasfrank
Gambia59 Posts
WoW's competitive scene Hahahahahahahaahahahahaha. On topic: I have a somewhat split opinion on this. As far as I know KeSPA are basically representatives of all pro teams put together to regulate the esports scene, so anything KeSPA doesn't agree with basically has all pro teams going with their decision. At the same time, they really are being massive douchebags. | ||
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haster27
Taiwan809 Posts
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AyJay
1515 Posts
match-fixing scandal in Korea could anyone tell me what this scandal was all about? Thanks | ||
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vek
Australia936 Posts
On April 25 2010 18:47 chasfrank wrote: Hahahahahahahaahahahahaha. On topic: I have a somewhat split opinion on this. As far as I know KeSPA are basically representatives of all pro teams put together to regulate the esports scene, so anything KeSPA doesn't agree with basically has all pro teams going with their decision. At the same time, they really are being massive douchebags. Whether you liked it or not it existed and it was Blizzard themselves that ruined it because they had the authority on what patch/maps had to be played no matter how imbalanced it was. I am refering to patch 3.0 and Ring of Valor if you cared although it seems you don't. The point isn't whether WoW is a valid esport or not it is whether or not Blizzard should be in charge of the SC2 competitive scene. Based on what they have done in the past to their own games and what they are doing now I would say definitely not. | ||
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
On April 25 2010 18:52 haster27 wrote: Another thing I want to point out- some of you talk as if Blizzard utterly had no contribution to the development of pro scene. Although I have no personal experience about Starcraft's earlier days, to my knowledge it was the constant patch by Blizzard that turned SC1 into such competitve-wise game. Think about how Blizzard would just release current beta version and stay negligent in fixing notable balance problems, and how much that would damage the pro-scene itself. They fix balance problems not for the benefit of progaming but just for the benefit of the players. I kind of expect game developers to actually support and balance their games i don't think that Blizzard should be applauded for it when it should be done anyway. | ||
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haster27
Taiwan809 Posts
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