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On April 14 2010 07:46 Rekrul wrote:
massive coverup underway now, the power of top companies as sponsors is very strong
perhaps for the better of esports...
from here on out i'm done with this issue on tl.net
i've gone rogue
until next time
^^
After this, I've stopped watching all professional BW in Korea. How much time have I wasted watching people lead me on, thinking I was watching SC at its best. So many people involved and nothing done until now.
And it's being covered up?
I want a full list of names and matches, or I'm done.
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On April 14 2010 08:56 bias- wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2010 07:46 Rekrul wrote:
massive coverup underway now, the power of top companies as sponsors is very strong
perhaps for the better of esports...
from here on out i'm done with this issue on tl.net
i've gone rogue
until next time
^^ After this, I've stopped watching all professional BW in Korea. How much time have I wasted watching people lead me on, thinking I was watching SC at its best. So many people involved and nothing done until now. And it's being covered up? I want a full list of names and matches, or I'm done.
Good bye, cause there is fat chance you are getting either of those 2.
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On April 14 2010 08:56 bias- wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2010 07:46 Rekrul wrote:
massive coverup underway now, the power of top companies as sponsors is very strong
perhaps for the better of esports...
from here on out i'm done with this issue on tl.net
i've gone rogue
until next time
^^ After this, I've stopped watching all professional BW in Korea. How much time have I wasted watching people lead me on, thinking I was watching SC at its best. So many people involved and nothing done until now. And it's being covered up? I want a full list of names and matches, or I'm done.
It's really the death blow for pro-SC. SC2 was already starting to overshadow it, what will all the streams and vods etc, but I really just can't care to watch SC1 now. They would really have to have a thorough investigation and publicly give names and matches to get me as a fan back.
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Wow, I just read this entire thread and it's basically the same few things said over and over again.
I hope this doesn't ruin BW too bad though >.<
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This doesn't look good for SC2 either folks, so keep that in mind. It looks bad for games in general. Think of how many major counter-strike matches could have been thrown in this same fashion when that game was in its prime. Certainly not the same amount of money involved, but the integrity of the industry and the players is a much larger issue than any amount of money.
From this point on there needs to be a great deal of attention payed to the players, coaching staff, sponsors and the games themselves and due diligence is required to ensure that people aren't throwing games. The problem is with something like an fps game you can throw the match just by holding your mouse differently, play the same way the whole time but whiff a few shots here and there. SC you can throw a game by forcing all in pushes just barely too late or little things like that, so smelling a rigged game is going to be tough.
Edited for being terrible at using the English language
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This will hurt SC no matter what they do. People are not stupid. If they want to sweep everything under the rug then they can go ahead. But I fail to see how it will help them regain credibility. To be honest, if they don't really try to deal with it then I will lose most of interest in SC. How can one be sure that the match we are watching is not rigged.
That's simple economics here. There is a huge incentive to cheat. It is just so easy... To deter from people from doing this there has to be a huge punishment. If they fail to do this how they will credibly prevent it in the future...
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what good timing for this scandal
revealed that many top players could potentially be involved
could ruin the sc1 proscene and players
and bam! sc2 happens to come out right around that time
tsk tsk
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On April 14 2010 08:56 bias- wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2010 07:46 Rekrul wrote:
massive coverup underway now, the power of top companies as sponsors is very strong
perhaps for the better of esports...
from here on out i'm done with this issue on tl.net
i've gone rogue
until next time
^^ After this, I've stopped watching all professional BW in Korea. How much time have I wasted watching people lead me on, thinking I was watching SC at its best. So many people involved and nothing done until now. And it's being covered up? I want a full list of names and matches, or I'm done.
Unfortunately by your standards, however justified, you're done either way. They're not going to just hang every conspirator out to dry because clearly too many players are involved for the game to survive.
Nobody involved in SC has any incentive to blow the cover off of everything because everyone is making a living off of it. SC isn't big enough that you could just be a whistleblower and it would be worth your while, and in an Asian country it might not be looked upon the same way it is in the USA.
Add in the sponsors who also have no incentive to be associated with a tarnished game, and there's literally no one (aside from Rekrul maybe for laughs and honor) who has incentive NOT to do this coverup. Perhaps punishments will happen and things will change privately, but aside from perhaps a couple of people taking the fall this is the only way.
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Blizzard is probably the overmind behind all this so SC2 could become the dominant force.
-This is a joke btw.
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Realistically, how damaging this is is going to be largely a function of how widespread it proves to be. I mean, if it turns out that there were 5 players involved, none of whom are current stars... the blame will fall primarily on those players, and while the scene may be damaged it would most likely survive. What would potentially *kill* the scene is if it proves to be, well, closer to that list that appeared early in the thread. If it's 20 people, including almost all the current stars... that would be devastating for the game, and *could* kill pro SC. And it would also make it that much harder to get SC2 off the ground as well.
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The best way to solve this problem is not by the way Kespa is doing it, but by increasing the salary of the pro gamers. For a sport with such a short career, i feel they should be paid much higher than they are receiving. Higher Salary= less inclination to cheat.
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savior deserved those firebathero pelvic thrusts...
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On April 14 2010 10:20 lavion wrote:
The best way to solve this problem is not by the way Kespa is doing it, but by increasing the salary of the pro gamers. For a sport with such a short career, i feel they should be paid much higher than they are receiving. Higher Salary= less inclination to cheat.
Higher salary comes from higher interest, higher interest makes for higher bets, higher bets make for higher bribes.
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On April 14 2010 10:20 lavion wrote:
The best way to solve this problem is not by the way Kespa is doing it, but by increasing the salary of the pro gamers. For a sport with such a short career, i feel they should be paid much higher than they are receiving. Higher Salary= less inclination to cheat.
No. Higher salary will not necessarily mean less inclination to cheat. What you need is to discourage cheating. This means that cheating will lead to severe loss if the person is loss.
There are many ways to do this but all need the stick. Carrot alone is not enough since getting extra $$$ on a side is just an easy money.
To sum up, they need a carrot and a stick. A huge, heavy stick...
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maybe it's time for foreigners to take over ?!!
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On April 14 2010 10:54 NeoScout wrote:
maybe it's time for foreigners to take over ?!!
We would do the same thing, only quicker lol
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