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NotJumperer
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United States1371 Posts
April 12 2010 21:27 GMT
#641
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XsebT
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Denmark2980 Posts
April 12 2010 21:28 GMT
#642
On April 13 2010 06:11 musclewitch wrote:
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iFU.pauline
Profile Joined September 2009
France1710 Posts
April 12 2010 21:31 GMT
#643
ok stop with these photos, it hurts me seeing that.
No coward soul is mine, No trembler in the world's storm-troubled sphere, I see Heaven's glories shine, And Faith shines equal arming me from Fear
starfries
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada3508 Posts
April 12 2010 21:33 GMT
#644
Is that list of names fps posted is just who's being investigated, because they had suspicious losses? I can't see all those players being involved. Stork? Jaedong? Don't break my heart

I'm scared to find out who the former progamers are too... At least I know Reach would never stand for it. He lost to Tossgirl fair and square
DJ – do you like ramen, Savior? Savior – not really. Bisu – I eat it often. Flash – I’m a maniac! | Foxer Fighting!
XsebT
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Denmark2980 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-12 21:39:02
April 12 2010 21:35 GMT
#645
On April 13 2010 06:33 starfries wrote:
Is that list of names fps posted is just who's being investigated, because they had suspicious losses? I can't see all those players being involved. Stork? Jaedong? Don't break my heart

I'm scared to find out who the former progamers are too... At least I know Reach would never stand for it. He lost to Tossgirl fair and square

Afaic, they're being investigated, but there is obviously a reason why they being investigated (you don't see every progamer on the list, so something is up with those guys)...
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bahaa
Profile Joined November 2008
Lebanon29 Posts
April 12 2010 21:43 GMT
#646
I think it's too early to consider any of the progamers guilty. Even if KeSPA said Savior was guilty (which I think didn't happen yet), one cannot rule out the possibility of a conspiracy against Savior for example or some scenario of unfairness. What am saying is you cannot act as if Savior or any others are 100% guilty. We just have to wait and see what happens and if what actually happens is logical or not before we shout "how could you do this?" and "I regret supporting you".

What am pretty sure of though is that Bisu vs Savior MSL finals was not fixed, do you know why? Because those are humans we are talking about. There are emotions and facial expressions that cannot be faked. Just look at the shock on Savior's face when Bisu used those builds. In the final game, look at the spontaneous reaction from Savior when he was moving his hydras in a funny way just before he typed GG, not believing that he actually lost. It's pretty clear his behaviour was spontaneous and he was shocked with the way the games turned out.
Prof. Protoss
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Germany744 Posts
April 12 2010 21:45 GMT
#647
has anyone asked yet what the punishment for committing such a crime in korea is?
does anybody know?
Don't mess the fess!
p4NDemik
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States13896 Posts
April 12 2010 21:49 GMT
#648
On April 13 2010 05:38 PanzerDragoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2010 05:36 years wrote:
In shitstorms like the one thats developing currently lists like the one posted, where TaekBaekLee are mentioned, and many other a listers are too are expected.. even when some gamers are sent to jail and what not i do not believe the scene will crumble. Action being taken to deal with the problem will be seen as a step forward, knowing that this goes on and that nothing is being done would probably be detrimental.

Its not like people will stop liking BW, as people did not stop liking football. What sports mean within identity and cultural dynamics, even when SCBW aint the biggest sport ever, are much more complicated than just corruption=fail.

It depends on the size of the scandal and who is implicated. The steroids scandal nearly ruined baseball in America.

Considering 2 of the biggest stars of the game, and one of the most beloved old pros are implicated, that's pretty bad. With SC2 coming soon, this kind of questionable integrity could finish Brood War competition for good.

Steroids tarnished an entire era and a large number of players who played during that time, but at the same time the game was so embedded into American culture there was no way it could totally "ruin" the game. To say that is a gross exaggeration. The game no doubt suffered a loss of popularity but it was never at risk of becoming defunct - it was and still is still an incredibly profitable business.

Pro BW could be in big trouble though, no doubt, depending on who and how many people are indicted with this kind of collusion. My gut says that the progaming scene has been through enough already to survive this at least until SC2 comes out and we see a huge resurgence in interest. At the same time all the past scandals would be dwarfed in comparison to this if what has been suggested is true, so only time will tell.
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Captain Peabody
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3128 Posts
April 12 2010 21:55 GMT
#649
Just saying, but isn't the list that's bandied about just a supposed "insider leak" posted on a Korean forum? I.e. it's not at all official and could very well be fake or not accurate?
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PanzerDragoon
Profile Joined March 2010
United States822 Posts
April 12 2010 21:57 GMT
#650
On April 13 2010 06:49 p4NDemik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2010 05:38 PanzerDragoon wrote:
On April 13 2010 05:36 years wrote:
In shitstorms like the one thats developing currently lists like the one posted, where TaekBaekLee are mentioned, and many other a listers are too are expected.. even when some gamers are sent to jail and what not i do not believe the scene will crumble. Action being taken to deal with the problem will be seen as a step forward, knowing that this goes on and that nothing is being done would probably be detrimental.

Its not like people will stop liking BW, as people did not stop liking football. What sports mean within identity and cultural dynamics, even when SCBW aint the biggest sport ever, are much more complicated than just corruption=fail.

It depends on the size of the scandal and who is implicated. The steroids scandal nearly ruined baseball in America.

Considering 2 of the biggest stars of the game, and one of the most beloved old pros are implicated, that's pretty bad. With SC2 coming soon, this kind of questionable integrity could finish Brood War competition for good.

Steroids tarnished an entire era and a large number of players who played during that time, but at the same time the game was so embedded into American culture there was no way it could totally "ruin" the game. To say that is a gross exaggeration. The game no doubt suffered a loss of popularity but it was never at risk of becoming defunct - it was and still is still an incredibly profitable business.

Pro BW could be in big trouble though, no doubt, depending on who and how many people are indicted with this kind of collusion. My gut says that the progaming scene has been through enough already to survive this at least until SC2 comes out and we see a huge resurgence in interest. At the same time all the past scandals would be dwarfed in comparison to this if what has been suggested is true, so only time will tell.

SC2 will be fine assuming Kespa deals with this well (suspending/banning players found to be guilty, and instituting more ways to prevent this, and possibly making it less desireable to take bribes by making free agency more viable)
Baddieko
Profile Joined October 2008
Singapore855 Posts
April 12 2010 21:57 GMT
#651
On April 13 2010 06:33 starfries wrote:
Is that list of names fps posted is just who's being investigated, because they had suspicious losses? I can't see all those players being involved. Stork? Jaedong? Don't break my heart

I'm scared to find out who the former progamers are too... At least I know Reach would never stand for it. He lost to Tossgirl fair and square




haha your statement is already wrong, reach threw the game against tossgirl obviously.
zee
Profile Joined January 2010
201 Posts
April 12 2010 21:58 GMT
#652
I wonder how long this has been going on on. Probably for a long time if true.
Ronald_McD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada807 Posts
April 12 2010 21:59 GMT
#653
This is fucking disgusting.
I'm actually really pissed off about this.

Of all the places, purposely losing in Pro Gaming? this is an outrage.
FUCKING GAY LAGS
theramstoss
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada242 Posts
April 12 2010 22:02 GMT
#654
It's also possible some organized criminals threatened the pros into getting involved.. Possible.
quote? what quote?
MountainDewJunkie
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States10346 Posts
April 12 2010 22:12 GMT
#655
On April 13 2010 07:02 theramstoss wrote:
It's also possible some organized criminals threatened the pros into getting involved.. Possible.

Don't even.

I doubt Savior was threatened into pocketing $2 million for himself by throwing games.
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Eatme
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
Switzerland3919 Posts
April 12 2010 22:18 GMT
#656
Maybe they should keep players separated from the "outer world" for a while before the matches. I think they have something like that setup in keirin to make it harder to rig races.
I have the best fucking lawyers in the country including the man they call the Malmis.
uiCk
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Canada1925 Posts
April 12 2010 22:19 GMT
#657
On April 13 2010 06:58 zee wrote:
I wonder how long this has been going on on. Probably for a long time if true.

the day money is involved.
I can no longer sit back and allow Communist infiltration, Communist indoctrination, Communist subversion and the international Communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids
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Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29904 Posts
April 12 2010 22:21 GMT
#658
Hehe, I could find out my post somewhere claiming such situation on TL where I was called an idiot and a moron, I've repeated my words when TSL2 was played that such situation could take place )

I can't say I knew that such things is 100% sure but I always knew that 'slumping' and other shit like that wasn't random and I'm not surprised at all
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iloveHieu
Profile Joined November 2007
United States1919 Posts
April 12 2010 22:22 GMT
#659
So this is one of the reasons why some pro do well in in-team ranking then suck in televised matches !!!!
Xellos <3
PanzerDragoon
Profile Joined March 2010
United States822 Posts
April 12 2010 22:23 GMT
#660
On April 13 2010 07:19 uiCk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2010 06:58 zee wrote:
I wonder how long this has been going on on. Probably for a long time if true.

the day money is involved.

Probably closer to whenever these betting sites really exploded, which was around 2008.
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