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On April 13 2010 05:53 zulu_nation8 wrote:
No Tesla, they haven't outed anyone because of laws, not a cultural value you have no clue about.
I never said it had anything to do with laws. Listen..I was raised with asian background...so I understand the concept of saving face...and ofc there is more that I am not typing here on this matter of saving face...however you should not be rude and assume I have no clue what I am talking about when I probably have more of one then you will ever have in your life.
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people like Sea will make us believe again.
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On April 13 2010 05:56 sib-pelle wrote:
people like Sea will make us believe again.
The only thing Sea made me ever believe is that he will never win a title
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United Kingdom2674 Posts
On April 13 2010 05:44 MrMoose wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2010 05:41 TheElitists wrote:
now you gotta think
was the blackout
really a black out? I can just imagine some crazy dude being like "omg i got 50k riding on this game and flash is losing i've gotta do something" as he reaches for his wire cutters
Along similar lines, a slightly more sophisticated version of this kind of thing has actually occurred in top-flight football here in the UK, with the perpetrators being Malaysian betting syndicates:
Floodlight Failure Betting Scam
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On April 13 2010 05:52 ICCup.Tesla wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2010 05:42 zulu_nation8 wrote:
Tesla I was making a half joke about the replays.
The leaked replays are replays of the accused's teammates so I doubt any of them can be used as direct evidence.
Not releasing the names of the accused has nothing to do with saving face, it is simply in compliance with human rights laws. I never said it would do anything to save face...accept that they have not openly admitted who has done something wrong, thus this is saving those people's faces...even if just a little. Show nested quote +On April 13 2010 05:44 MrMoose wrote:On April 13 2010 05:41 TheElitists wrote:
now you gotta think
was the blackout
really a black out? I can just imagine some crazy dude being like "omg i got 50k riding on this game and flash is losing i've gotta do something" as he reaches for his wire cutters I do not think that would be the case...I mean...consider the facts...they were both pretty pissed about how it ended. So I would say those were legit games and that was a legit match...though the black out could have been done without their knowledge, the chances are slim to none that it was a planned black out. Show nested quote +On April 13 2010 05:45 years wrote:
The thing with Kespa knowing is that you cant be sure that going publicly would have been the best way to hadle this. The extent of matchrigging and the organizations that endorse it and handle it makes it a very hard problem to tackle. Gambling itself is ilegal in Korea, the government knows about it but simply making something ilegal doesnt mean that it will vanish; governments may choose to dialouge with the organizations that promote gamble because dismantling them might me too complex.
Similarly, Kespa might have chosen to find an altarnate way to deal with this. Wether they were implicated in profiting and endorsing this is another thing altogether. Question is how will they deal with it? This is pretty bad. Show nested quote +On April 13 2010 05:47 PanzerDragoon wrote:On April 13 2010 05:42 zulu_nation8 wrote:
Tesla I was making a half joke about the replays.
The leaked replays are replays of the accused's teammates so I doubt any of them can be used as direct evidence.
Not releasing the names of the accused has nothing to do with saving face, it is simply in compliance with human rights laws. I'm unaware of how korean laws work; if they are formally charged will we know? Or in Korea do they never reveal the names, even if they are found guilty? If so, how convenient for Kespa, famous players can go take "breaks", have "surgery", or go on vacations (to jail) and they can sweep it right under the rug. Maybe some of those are legit and not just ment to be stuff to help sweep this under the rug.. :/
The fact that they all happened right at the same time, when these investigations have been going on, and the fact that the Savior one was obviously bullshit, makes me suspicious...
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MrMoose
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On April 13 2010 05:52 ICCup.Tesla wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2010 05:42 zulu_nation8 wrote:
Tesla I was making a half joke about the replays.
The leaked replays are replays of the accused's teammates so I doubt any of them can be used as direct evidence.
Not releasing the names of the accused has nothing to do with saving face, it is simply in compliance with human rights laws. I never said it would do anything to save face...accept that they have not openly admitted who has done something wrong, thus this is saving those people's faces...even if just a little. Show nested quote +On April 13 2010 05:44 MrMoose wrote:On April 13 2010 05:41 TheElitists wrote:
now you gotta think
was the blackout
really a black out? I can just imagine some crazy dude being like "omg i got 50k riding on this game and flash is losing i've gotta do something" as he reaches for his wire cutters I do not think that would be the case...I mean...consider the facts...they were both pretty pissed about how it ended. So I would say those were legit games and that was a legit match...though the black out could have been done without their knowledge, the chances are slim to none that it was a planned black out. Show nested quote +On April 13 2010 05:45 years wrote:
The thing with Kespa knowing is that you cant be sure that going publicly would have been the best way to hadle this. The extent of matchrigging and the organizations that endorse it and handle it makes it a very hard problem to tackle. Gambling itself is ilegal in Korea, the government knows about it but simply making something ilegal doesnt mean that it will vanish; governments may choose to dialouge with the organizations that promote gamble because dismantling them might me too complex.
Similarly, Kespa might have chosen to find an altarnate way to deal with this. Wether they were implicated in profiting and endorsing this is another thing altogether. Question is how will they deal with it? This is pretty bad. Show nested quote +On April 13 2010 05:47 PanzerDragoon wrote:On April 13 2010 05:42 zulu_nation8 wrote:
Tesla I was making a half joke about the replays.
The leaked replays are replays of the accused's teammates so I doubt any of them can be used as direct evidence.
Not releasing the names of the accused has nothing to do with saving face, it is simply in compliance with human rights laws. I'm unaware of how korean laws work; if they are formally charged will we know? Or in Korea do they never reveal the names, even if they are found guilty? If so, how convenient for Kespa, famous players can go take "breaks", have "surgery", or go on vacations (to jail) and they can sweep it right under the rug. Maybe some of those are legit and not just ment to be stuff to help sweep this under the rug.. :/
You didn't read what I wrote did you...
If it was unclear I meant (again, somewhat sarcastically) that some third party (not Flash or Jaedong) that had bet a bunch of money on Flash decided to intervene and hoped to cause a regame by a power outage. obv a legit theory >.>
edit:
@arbiter - that's pretty freaky that something like that actually happened.
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On April 13 2010 06:00 PanzerDragoon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2010 05:52 ICCup.Tesla wrote:On April 13 2010 05:42 zulu_nation8 wrote:
Tesla I was making a half joke about the replays.
The leaked replays are replays of the accused's teammates so I doubt any of them can be used as direct evidence.
Not releasing the names of the accused has nothing to do with saving face, it is simply in compliance with human rights laws. I never said it would do anything to save face...accept that they have not openly admitted who has done something wrong, thus this is saving those people's faces...even if just a little. On April 13 2010 05:44 MrMoose wrote:On April 13 2010 05:41 TheElitists wrote:
now you gotta think
was the blackout
really a black out? I can just imagine some crazy dude being like "omg i got 50k riding on this game and flash is losing i've gotta do something" as he reaches for his wire cutters I do not think that would be the case...I mean...consider the facts...they were both pretty pissed about how it ended. So I would say those were legit games and that was a legit match...though the black out could have been done without their knowledge, the chances are slim to none that it was a planned black out. On April 13 2010 05:45 years wrote:
The thing with Kespa knowing is that you cant be sure that going publicly would have been the best way to hadle this. The extent of matchrigging and the organizations that endorse it and handle it makes it a very hard problem to tackle. Gambling itself is ilegal in Korea, the government knows about it but simply making something ilegal doesnt mean that it will vanish; governments may choose to dialouge with the organizations that promote gamble because dismantling them might me too complex.
Similarly, Kespa might have chosen to find an altarnate way to deal with this. Wether they were implicated in profiting and endorsing this is another thing altogether. Question is how will they deal with it? This is pretty bad. On April 13 2010 05:47 PanzerDragoon wrote:On April 13 2010 05:42 zulu_nation8 wrote:
Tesla I was making a half joke about the replays.
The leaked replays are replays of the accused's teammates so I doubt any of them can be used as direct evidence.
Not releasing the names of the accused has nothing to do with saving face, it is simply in compliance with human rights laws. I'm unaware of how korean laws work; if they are formally charged will we know? Or in Korea do they never reveal the names, even if they are found guilty? If so, how convenient for Kespa, famous players can go take "breaks", have "surgery", or go on vacations (to jail) and they can sweep it right under the rug. Maybe some of those are legit and not just ment to be stuff to help sweep this under the rug.. :/ The fact that they all happened right at the same time, when these investigations have been going on, and the fact that the Savior one was obviously bullshit, makes me suspicious...
Ok..well Kespa still hasnt openly admitted that Savior was involved and if what they are saying about Korean laws are right, then they wont...Regardless, I am not going to argue his innocence. I am just saying that Kespa needs to say something to the public and do it fast before they lose all respect from foreigners (min).
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On April 13 2010 06:03 MrMoose wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2010 05:52 ICCup.Tesla wrote:On April 13 2010 05:42 zulu_nation8 wrote:
Tesla I was making a half joke about the replays.
The leaked replays are replays of the accused's teammates so I doubt any of them can be used as direct evidence.
Not releasing the names of the accused has nothing to do with saving face, it is simply in compliance with human rights laws. I never said it would do anything to save face...accept that they have not openly admitted who has done something wrong, thus this is saving those people's faces...even if just a little. On April 13 2010 05:44 MrMoose wrote:On April 13 2010 05:41 TheElitists wrote:
now you gotta think
was the blackout
really a black out? I can just imagine some crazy dude being like "omg i got 50k riding on this game and flash is losing i've gotta do something" as he reaches for his wire cutters I do not think that would be the case...I mean...consider the facts...they were both pretty pissed about how it ended. So I would say those were legit games and that was a legit match...though the black out could have been done without their knowledge, the chances are slim to none that it was a planned black out. On April 13 2010 05:45 years wrote:
The thing with Kespa knowing is that you cant be sure that going publicly would have been the best way to hadle this. The extent of matchrigging and the organizations that endorse it and handle it makes it a very hard problem to tackle. Gambling itself is ilegal in Korea, the government knows about it but simply making something ilegal doesnt mean that it will vanish; governments may choose to dialouge with the organizations that promote gamble because dismantling them might me too complex.
Similarly, Kespa might have chosen to find an altarnate way to deal with this. Wether they were implicated in profiting and endorsing this is another thing altogether. Question is how will they deal with it? This is pretty bad. On April 13 2010 05:47 PanzerDragoon wrote:On April 13 2010 05:42 zulu_nation8 wrote:
Tesla I was making a half joke about the replays.
The leaked replays are replays of the accused's teammates so I doubt any of them can be used as direct evidence.
Not releasing the names of the accused has nothing to do with saving face, it is simply in compliance with human rights laws. I'm unaware of how korean laws work; if they are formally charged will we know? Or in Korea do they never reveal the names, even if they are found guilty? If so, how convenient for Kespa, famous players can go take "breaks", have "surgery", or go on vacations (to jail) and they can sweep it right under the rug. Maybe some of those are legit and not just ment to be stuff to help sweep this under the rug.. :/ You didn't read what I wrote did you... If it was unclear I meant (again, somewhat sarcastically) that some third party (not Flash or Jaedong) that had bet a bunch of money on Flash decided to intervene and hoped to cause a regame by a power outage. obv a legit theory >.>
I guess I miss read. That is always a possibility. I hope its not what happened though. :/
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Inmate team should dominate pretty easily, maybe they can name it "The Longest Yard", with TheRock as their ace.
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MrMoose
Canada176 Posts
On April 13 2010 06:05 ICCup.Tesla wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2010 06:03 MrMoose wrote:On April 13 2010 05:52 ICCup.Tesla wrote:On April 13 2010 05:42 zulu_nation8 wrote:
Tesla I was making a half joke about the replays.
The leaked replays are replays of the accused's teammates so I doubt any of them can be used as direct evidence.
Not releasing the names of the accused has nothing to do with saving face, it is simply in compliance with human rights laws. I never said it would do anything to save face...accept that they have not openly admitted who has done something wrong, thus this is saving those people's faces...even if just a little. On April 13 2010 05:44 MrMoose wrote:On April 13 2010 05:41 TheElitists wrote:
now you gotta think
was the blackout
really a black out? I can just imagine some crazy dude being like "omg i got 50k riding on this game and flash is losing i've gotta do something" as he reaches for his wire cutters I do not think that would be the case...I mean...consider the facts...they were both pretty pissed about how it ended. So I would say those were legit games and that was a legit match...though the black out could have been done without their knowledge, the chances are slim to none that it was a planned black out. On April 13 2010 05:45 years wrote:
The thing with Kespa knowing is that you cant be sure that going publicly would have been the best way to hadle this. The extent of matchrigging and the organizations that endorse it and handle it makes it a very hard problem to tackle. Gambling itself is ilegal in Korea, the government knows about it but simply making something ilegal doesnt mean that it will vanish; governments may choose to dialouge with the organizations that promote gamble because dismantling them might me too complex.
Similarly, Kespa might have chosen to find an altarnate way to deal with this. Wether they were implicated in profiting and endorsing this is another thing altogether. Question is how will they deal with it? This is pretty bad. On April 13 2010 05:47 PanzerDragoon wrote:On April 13 2010 05:42 zulu_nation8 wrote:
Tesla I was making a half joke about the replays.
The leaked replays are replays of the accused's teammates so I doubt any of them can be used as direct evidence.
Not releasing the names of the accused has nothing to do with saving face, it is simply in compliance with human rights laws. I'm unaware of how korean laws work; if they are formally charged will we know? Or in Korea do they never reveal the names, even if they are found guilty? If so, how convenient for Kespa, famous players can go take "breaks", have "surgery", or go on vacations (to jail) and they can sweep it right under the rug. Maybe some of those are legit and not just ment to be stuff to help sweep this under the rug.. :/ You didn't read what I wrote did you... If it was unclear I meant (again, somewhat sarcastically) that some third party (not Flash or Jaedong) that had bet a bunch of money on Flash decided to intervene and hoped to cause a regame by a power outage. obv a legit theory >.> I guess I miss read. That is always a possibility. I hope its not what happened though. :/
I hope so too.
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Jokes aside, this is really making me lose my love for this game ,
good thing there is smuft vs idra $10,000 Show match for me to get hyped about =p.
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Can't wait for PSL (Prison Starleague)
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On April 13 2010 06:11 darktreb wrote:
Can't wait for PSL (Prison Starleague)
this thread is full of epicness
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haha Ace Prison Team  savior, bisu, jaedong, stork, effort such a good line up^^
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On April 13 2010 06:11 Legendary- wrote:Jokes aside, this is really making me lose my love for this game , good thing there is smuft vs idra $10,000 Show match for me to get hyped about =p.
wait what?!?
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On April 13 2010 06:19 Zzoram wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2010 06:11 Legendary- wrote:Jokes aside, this is really making me lose my love for this game , good thing there is smuft vs idra $10,000 Show match for me to get hyped about =p. wait what?!?
yea im surprised by this too
links to this?
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It starts on page 20 or so, just to clarify
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On April 13 2010 06:17 AmstAff wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2010 06:11 darktreb wrote:
Can't wait for PSL (Prison Starleague) this thread is full of epicness
God that is sooo bad!
On April 13 2010 06:18 paulinepain wrote:haha Ace Prison Team savior, bisu, jaedong, stork, effort such a good line up^^
this is even worse but funny at the same time
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