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On April 13 2010 06:43 bahaa wrote:
I think it's too early to consider any of the progamers guilty. Even if KeSPA said Savior was guilty (which I think didn't happen yet), one cannot rule out the possibility of a conspiracy against Savior for example or some scenario of unfairness. What am saying is you cannot act as if Savior or any others are 100% guilty. We just have to wait and see what happens and if what actually happens is logical or not before we shout "how could you do this?" and "I regret supporting you".
What am pretty sure of though is that Bisu vs Savior MSL finals was not fixed, do you know why? Because those are humans we are talking about. There are emotions and facial expressions that cannot be faked. Just look at the shock on Savior's face when Bisu used those builds. In the final game, look at the spontaneous reaction from Savior when he was moving his hydras in a funny way just before he typed GG, not believing that he actually lost. It's pretty clear his behaviour was spontaneous and he was shocked with the way the games turned out.
I bet you think movies happen IRL too.
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I really hope "money" makes it to the top of the power rank next month.
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As long as the games aren't officially fixed, this makes things more interesting.
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On April 13 2010 07:28 Curu wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2010 06:43 bahaa wrote:
I think it's too early to consider any of the progamers guilty. Even if KeSPA said Savior was guilty (which I think didn't happen yet), one cannot rule out the possibility of a conspiracy against Savior for example or some scenario of unfairness. What am saying is you cannot act as if Savior or any others are 100% guilty. We just have to wait and see what happens and if what actually happens is logical or not before we shout "how could you do this?" and "I regret supporting you".
What am pretty sure of though is that Bisu vs Savior MSL finals was not fixed, do you know why? Because those are humans we are talking about. There are emotions and facial expressions that cannot be faked. Just look at the shock on Savior's face when Bisu used those builds. In the final game, look at the spontaneous reaction from Savior when he was moving his hydras in a funny way just before he typed GG, not believing that he actually lost. It's pretty clear his behaviour was spontaneous and he was shocked with the way the games turned out. I bet you think movies happen IRL too.
Savior is screwed for sure. You should worry and pray about all the big names who are being suspected right now. Don't hope against the sure things. Miracles can't happen with a 0% success rate.
I'm more worried about all the shit top players are gonna get when they lose to a clever strategy, or lose due to one silly mistake. OMFG, Flash went 14 CC, he throwing the game!
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On April 13 2010 07:30 miseiler wrote:
I really hope "money" makes it to the top of the power rank next month.
nah, it should be second because flash even dominated it.
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Korea eat, drink, and breathe starcraft. This will not destroy progaming starcraft. Wc3 did not die because of that scandal. The game simply was not that deep like starcraft to last that long.
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Any sport where you can intentionally make small mistakes that aren't very noticeable is very susceptible to fixing. Baseball, basketball, soccer, Starcraft.
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On April 13 2010 06:45 Prof. Protoss wrote:
has anyone asked yet what the punishment for committing such a crime in korea is?
does anybody know?
Nobody knows? Isn't anybody interested?
Here in Germany we had a case of Match fixing. The involved Referee was sentenced to go to jail for two and a half years.
Let's speculate (Let's always remember: Still just rumors here) - Savior in prison? How long?
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On April 13 2010 07:22 iloveHieu wrote:
So this is one of the reasons why some pro do well in in-team ranking then suck in televised matches !!!!
you mean CANATA?
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On April 13 2010 07:40 PanzerDragoon wrote:
Any sport where you can intentionally make small mistakes that aren't very noticeable is very susceptible to fixing. Baseball, basketball, soccer, Starcraft.
Out of those Starcraft is the only actually really easy one to fix because of low player salaries and the fact its 1v1. In the other cases you gotta be more subtle hence referee bribing in the high levels of Soccer, or at the lower levels getting just a few players involved. More people that know means higher chance of getting caught after all.
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It's really only a problem when the other player suck so hard that you can't even lose on purpose without looking real suspicious.
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I don't know, but those pictures of Savior with his Rolex and expensive clothing make the guy seem like a total shmuck. Living it large with dishonest money. Pretty obnoxious. At least (afaik) Stork wasn't showing off. However, I don't know the guy. Sometimes the situation makes a thief, indeed, if I was in the same situation, who knows what I would've done. This doesn't mean he didn't do anything wrong, he did, and whatever consequences come, he probably he deserves it. But I can't really consider him the Devil for this. I guess, foremost I'm just very disappointed. At them all.
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On April 13 2010 06:43 bahaa wrote:
I think it's too early to consider any of the progamers guilty. Even if KeSPA said Savior was guilty (which I think didn't happen yet), one cannot rule out the possibility of a conspiracy against Savior for example [...]
You're right, we can't rule out completely retarded explanations that absolve all of our favorite progamers.
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So has anyone brought up the MSL final event happening? When the power went out? Could that have been on purpose by a betting party in order to get Flash to lose?
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On April 13 2010 08:07 MountainDewJunkie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2010 06:43 bahaa wrote:
I think it's too early to consider any of the progamers guilty. Even if KeSPA said Savior was guilty (which I think didn't happen yet), one cannot rule out the possibility of a conspiracy against Savior for example [...] You're right, we can't rule out completely retarded explanations that absolve all of our favorite progamers.
What he said. ^
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On April 12 2010 15:56 Sadistx wrote: sAviOr: I will destroy everyone in 2010. Unless you pay me not to.
LOL
why savior why D:
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Bearded Elder29904 Posts
BoxeR vs AnyTime, that match was rigged fo sho.
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On April 13 2010 08:11 CharlieMurphy wrote:
So has anyone brought up the MSL final event happening? When the power went out? Could that have been on purpose by a betting party in order to get Flash to lose?
Yes, because Jaedong was gonna lose. I love all these conspiracies arising.
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